In a link from HardOCP's review of the new cards.
Check out the Doom ]|[ benchmark/results;

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Or same link if you need to cut and paste:

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Can't believe the performance difference. But like Nvidia said, 'This Card was Made for Doom 3'

I hope that Ati driver updates improve their lot, but for now there is a large gulf between the 2 cards.

The 9800P is an older chip, so the reported next R3XX card as stated in the article, should compete one would think.

Man, my 9600P gets smoked all over in that test, hope driver updates help it a bit. ~20FPS! OIE!



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cleeve

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Damn... that clinches it.

I was on the fence about my next upgrade... 9500 PRO or 9600 PRO... but I think the 9500 PRO's showing here has clinched it.

Either that, or I'll wait until the 9700's come down a bit... not sure if `45 fps in doom 3 will be sufficient.
 
Cleeve, yeah if it is even an option for you 9700 first and then 9500 second. Only go the route of the 9600P if you're concerned about heat/power consumption. I'd say the 9700NP, because even the 9500P gets clocked in that test. I would be interested in seeing the test with later drivers siince not even the new 3.4 Cats are coded for improving anything on the 9600P.

But ain't it a different day today. Looks like we've got ourselves a much closer race.

I'd LOVE to see some screenshots from the test though, and also I wish Id would make the benchmark availible to us, just so we can see if overclocking helps our rigs, and if CPU changes affect it much. Could help decide which is the most important upgrade.
Other tests on other rigs will likely help, but man I'd love to find out how my PERSONAL rig holds up.

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Yep... screenshots.

I'm waiting for people to benchmark the NV35 with the "Application" setting, so that the image quality is comperable to the Ati balanced setting...

Still, you have to hand it to Nvidia. The NV35 sports a helluva performance jump and firmly put's them into the lead, I suspect even with comperable IQ settings.
 
Yeah, the only thing that ATI still does well in (still don't know why despite Eden's theory/reason) is Splinter Cell.

It's also interesting to see that the overall 3dmk03 score of the 9800-256 is higher than the Fx5900U (here in THG's review), but it doesn't reflect any of the actual other tests. Somewhat strange. I wonder if they tried the patch's ability to chose PS 1.1 vs 1.4? If that's the diff. that would be a heck of a weighting on that alone. I'm sure there's more to come.


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Well I'm impressed & surprised all in one. Looks like one fine card the Nvidia came back with. I didn't expect it this fast, nor with as much improvement. Welcome back Nvidia is all I can say.

I'm surprised that the FX5800 looked better or is it me? Doesn't the new Detonator give the FX5800 a boost as well? It seemed & I stress (seemed) to me it showed better on Tom's bench than it has before, not that I would ever want one or recommend one. To lazy to research it right now.

I wonder how long it will be before the FX5900 Ultra can be bought. I don't think it's a paper launch.

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man, everyone on this form is so freaking pussy-wipped its not even funny. My God, just having the opinion that the fx cards are "doing better" shouldn't get you killed. Its okay to like Nvidia, they have awesome products, not everything they put out is going to be top notch, but alot of it is. And like all the reviews are now saying, it wasn't the 5800's chips fault for being bad, its was the drivers, so now with continued support and drivers this line of cards is going to start doing what it was intentionally supposed to do. KICK ASS!. (now for their marketing department selling us shitty drivers, well, in my book that is inexusable, but just part of the life that rich people will have to face, using the steriotype that rich people can afford to go out and buy the latest and greatest products, which is good because then they test the products for us poor people who then get to make a better informed decision, not just what advertising tries to feed us.) The economy of it all is just fine with me, competition is great and the products are great. GO USA!.

lol, sorry got carried away, sometimes my university brainwashes me too much.

Anyway, rcpilot, state your opinions loud and clear, don't act like a dog with its tail between his...

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Dinkster...who in the fuckk are you calling pussywipped?....BTW, I would take rcpilot's opinion over yours any day.

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erm, shut up man

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Phial....dont go there...

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my post had nothing to do with wanting people to not listen to rcpilot's opinions. I don't know who rcpilot is and its all good. I was simply stating that by what he said, and I quote,

"I'm surprised that the FX5800 looked better or is it me? Doesn't the new Detonator give the FX5800 a boost as well? It seemed & I stress (seemed) to me it showed better on Tom's bench than it has before, not that I would ever want one or recommend one."

That he seems to be toting the line of actually saying that the fx series might be "okay." I saying that its more than just "okay" to have an opinion of something and don't be scared to mention it, just because everyone on these forms switched to an ATI fan, so now its not cool to like a nforce card type of crap.

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That he seems to be toting the line of actually saying that the fx series might be "okay." I saying that its more than just "okay" to have an opinion of something and don't be scared to mention it, just because everyone on these forms switched to an ATI fan, so now its not cool to like a nforce card type of crap.
I thrilled that FX is so good. I thought I'd expressed that. I'm here to say that I'd get a FX5900 Ultra in a flat heart beat. But that's my opinion & I know what I can afford, others can't spend that kind of $$$. So it's my choice. I feel that I try & give information when & where I can around here without bragging or bashing. I don't feel the need to say I was right or anything like that. I'll cast my final vote where it counts with my wallet. That's all that really matters, at least to me anyway.

You know they didn't dump on me for running my TI4600 during the time everybody was getting ATI cards & I respected that, so why should I dump on them now? It's just not right in my book. Sorry if I disappoint you on that, but that's how I feel.


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WOT?!

Don't let the cat outta the bag GW, you know it's not time now! :wink:

I was btw referring to your reply to Phial. Were you angry at him?

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yeah good idea GW. not the place



anyways... yeah im glad the GFFX is doing so good as well. BUT it could all be driver tricks. like how a recent Detonator release improved 3dmark scores by lowering the default texture detail and mipmap detail

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But then I could say the Detonator XP which pushed the geForce 3 to its own class of performance, is also a possible cheat...mhm?

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I don't think it's a cheat. First of all, almost every hardware site that reviewed the card said that image quality was better, not worse (especially with aniso on.)

Secondly, if you think about it without bias, it's really about time nVidia reclaimed the performance crown. I mean, R300 was a great chip--in a class by itself--but it is also a year old. Now, nVidia is just able to beat R350, which was a "refresh" of the R300. In other words, it's almost like ATI let nVidia retake the performance crown by refusing to keep it.

Look, a couple months ago I said ATI would be making a mistake if they wait too long to release substantially faster part than R350. A lot of people disagreed with me saying ATI could play the refresh game, but I strongly disagree. ATI has not even come close to nVidia in terms of market share. I really think they needed to hold the performance crown for a solid two years before the sheeple in the marketplace would really start to gravitate away from the extremely popular GeForce. So what does ATI do? They sit on their heels and let nVidia pass them by.

So what now? Is ATI still going to wait until summer 2004 to release R400? They better not. That would be a huge mistake, IMHO. You know nVidia will have NV40 on the shelves for Christmas this year, or in Q1 2004 at the latest. NV40 will be a true, full-time 8X1 architecture, and will boast some as-yet secret enhancements. Will it be 20% faster than NV35? 30% faster? 50% faster?

However much faster it is, it will only serve to increase nVidia's cushion that much more. IMO, ATI needs to bring one of the following products to market ASAP:

A 256 MB DDR2 R350 core on .13 process rnning at 450 MHZ; or...

R400. They should play tough, not like little biatches.

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they did it once. and i really do believe they could do it again.

time will tell ...

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Quake = Quack
Doom3 = ?
The truth is out there......
3 of you guy's will know what I'm talking about...
Hopefully more.......

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Well I sure as hell am not one of the three...

I got the X-Files reference, but what's your point? And don't say Willamette's head.


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