[DECK] Enkidu milling wrath

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I'm sure it's not the first attempt upon this deck, thought I still want to
ask for help with my version. It's currently under construction, so it has a
lot of things to tune up, and how to face some usual adversaries.

It tries to built up fast on raptors with pack alpha, and use the earth
meld-psyche! to mill decks fast. The use of events is to lock weenieness
(though I agree that I have to rise the ammount to 5 o 6). And ousting, of
course, is the other problem. Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help. Changing the
side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
the game.

Deck Name: Enkidu`s herd
Created By: tom

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 44, Avg: 7,5)
---------------------------------------------
6 Enkidu for ANI CEL OBF POT PRO 11 Gangrel Antitribu
1 Bobby Lemon pro ANI 4 Gangrel
1 Jane Sims ani aus pro VIC 4 Tzimisce
1 L`Epuisette aus cel pro 4 Toreador Antitribu
1 Jezebelle ani for pro 4 Gangrel
1 Tabitha Fisk obt pot pro 4 Lasombra
1 Scarlet Carson O`Toole pro CEL 4 Gangrel Antitribu

Library: (90 cards)
-------------------
Master (8 cards)
1 Carver`s Meat Packing and Storage
1 Direct Intervention
1 Giant`s Blood
2 Guardian Angel
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Rack, The
1 Twisted Forest

Action (1 cards)
1 Shadow of the Beast

Reaction (11 cards)
2 Delaying Tactics
9 Forced Awakening

Combat (53 cards)
12 Earth Meld
4 Form of Mist
2 Infernal Pursuit
10 Pack Alpha
15 Psyche!
2 Quick Meld
2 Skin of Steel
6 Taste of Vitae

Retainer (14 cards)
2 Homunculus
12 Raptor

Event (3 cards)
1 Dragonbound
1 Nightmares upon Nightmares
1 Thirst

 

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Smiling Tom wrote:
> > ...Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
> > prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help.

Smiling Jack too.

> > Changing the
> > side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
> > my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
> > and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
> > the game.

Try including a few mortal allies. Gypsies would be the obvious choice.
They won't trigger Dragonbound and you can use them after NuN and the
Raptors have paralyzed other decks.

> Surely there's room for a Fame. What do you need Twisted Forest for?
> Anyone crazy enough to block Enkidu is crazy enough to gain an intercept
> while doing so. You could also play Charisma for cheaper Raptors or
> Perfectionist, that's always good.

Charisma only saves on allies, not retainers. The birds don't care how
cute you are. Insert Jake Washington instead for chump
blocker/refill goodness. I also suggest Coven. Enkidu will be insanely
thirsty, and you don't mind other decks gaining blood since that's not
where you're hitting them at first. Later on the Coven will mean you're
Tasting more too.

> > Combat (53 cards)
> > 12 Earth Meld
> > 4 Form of Mist
> > 2 Infernal Pursuit
> > 10 Pack Alpha
> > 15 Psyche!
> > 2 Quick Meld
> > 2 Skin of Steel
> > 6 Taste of Vitae
>
> I'm not a huge fan of the Earth Meld tech. Why not be beating people up
> rather than ending combat? A few might be okay, but in general hands for
> 3 seems like a stronger strategy. Likewise the Form of Mist. That only
> seems needed if you play Fame.

I disagree. Enkidu's built-in rush will get blocked a lot by weenies,
both to save a big vamp or, they hope, to keep Enkidu from untapping
via Fortitude. With FoM, you can get blocked, recruit a Raptor in
combat, then take another stab at the original target. Maybe you'll be
blocked again, but either way your opponent drops two combats' worth of
cards and you can recruit a second raptor, and you might get through.
With Earth Meld/Psyche and enough Raptors, his opponents will have
essentially random hands until they're decked.

 

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Smiling Tom wrote:

> I'm sure it's not the first attempt upon this deck, thought I still want to
> ask for help with my version. It's currently under construction, so it has a
> lot of things to tune up, and how to face some usual adversaries.
>
> It tries to built up fast on raptors with pack alpha, and use the earth
> meld-psyche! to mill decks fast. The use of events is to lock weenieness
> (though I agree that I have to rise the ammount to 5 o 6). And ousting, of
> course, is the other problem. Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
> prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help. Changing the
> side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
> my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
> and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
> the game.

You could add Dia de los Muertos and Brinksmanship. That would be pretty
humorous. The only problem would be accidentally ousting a persistent
predator by decking him.

> Deck Name: Enkidu`s herd
> Created By: tom
>
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 44, Avg: 7,5)
> ---------------------------------------------
> 6 Enkidu for ANI CEL OBF POT PRO 11 Gangrel Antitribu
> 1 Bobby Lemon pro ANI 4 Gangrel
> 1 Jane Sims ani aus pro VIC 4 Tzimisce
> 1 L`Epuisette aus cel pro 4 Toreador Antitribu
> 1 Jezebelle ani for pro 4 Gangrel
> 1 Tabitha Fisk obt pot pro 4 Lasombra
> 1 Scarlet Carson O`Toole pro CEL 4 Gangrel Antitribu

I guess the 4 caps are an okay idea since 1 caps are pretty likely to
succumb to Dragonbound, which is something you just can't afford with no
pool gain. I might play an extra Bobby just because it's pretty unlikely
you'll ever field more than two minions. Giovanni powerbleed kills you in
any event.

> Library: (90 cards)
> -------------------
> Master (8 cards)
> 1 Carver`s Meat Packing and Storage
> 1 Direct Intervention
> 1 Giant`s Blood
> 2 Guardian Angel
> 1 Pentex Subversion
> 1 Rack, The
> 1 Twisted Forest

Surely there's room for a Fame. What do you need Twisted Forest for?
Anyone crazy enough to block Enkidu is crazy enough to gain an intercept
while doing so. You could also play Charisma for cheaper Raptors or
Perfectionist, that's always good. Pentex Subversion could be a Sudden if
it's just there to contest. Talons of the Dead is a possibility, but you
could run into some real blood management problems. Makes Enkidu pretty
fearsome though.

> Action (1 cards)
> 1 Shadow of the Beast
>
> Reaction (11 cards)
> 2 Delaying Tactics
> 9 Forced Awakening

Maybe 1-2 Cats' Guidance so your current intercept capabilities aren't
quite so transparent?

> Combat (53 cards)
> 12 Earth Meld
> 4 Form of Mist
> 2 Infernal Pursuit
> 10 Pack Alpha
> 15 Psyche!
> 2 Quick Meld
> 2 Skin of Steel
> 6 Taste of Vitae

I'm not a huge fan of the Earth Meld tech. Why not be beating people up
rather than ending combat? A few might be okay, but in general hands for
3 seems like a stronger strategy. Likewise the Form of Mist. That only
seems needed if you play Fame.

> Retainer (14 cards)
> 2 Homunculus
> 12 Raptor

I'd add an Owl Companion. It's good all over the place. An Entombment or
Coma could end your game fast. Of course it's not so useful once you have
seven Raptors, but that won't happen right away, plus people could have
Dreams of the Sphinx, Elder Library, Aura Reading, etc. to hold onto a
card or two. If you do get most of your Raptors out, you can always
superior Pack Alpha the Owl for +1 strength.

> Event (3 cards)
> 1 Dragonbound
> 1 Nightmares upon Nightmares
> 1 Thirst

Nice anti-weenie tech.

I've been thinking about making a deck like this. If you play this one
sometime soon, I'd be interested in hearing about what works and what
doesn't and all that.

Matt Morgan

 

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Emmit Svenson wrote:
> > With Earth Meld/Psyche and enough Raptors, his opponents will have
> > essentially random hands until they're decked.
>
> Okay, I'm with you on FoM, especially since there are only 4, but Raptor
> discards are not random. If there are insufficient Raptors, the player
> can hold onto a few key cards. That's why I suggested Owl Companion.

We're agreeing. I meant that after a fight with seven Raptor Enkidu, an
opponent will have a random selection of cards in his hand, not the six
cards he chose not to discard. Perhaps "Deal with the Devil" would be a
good name for the deck.

I just realized Mylan Horseed needs to be in this deck.

 

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Emmit Svenson wrote:

> Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Smiling Tom wrote:
>>> ...Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
>>> prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help.
>
> Smiling Jack too.

Surely, even if he's toasted, that's someone using massive stealth or
block denial there rather than on bleeding Enkidu.

>>> Changing the
>>> side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
>>> my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
>>> and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
>>> the game.
>
> Try including a few mortal allies. Gypsies would be the obvious choice.
> They won't trigger Dragonbound and you can use them after NuN and the
> Raptors have paralyzed other decks.

Wow. Gypsies? That would be unexpected at least.

>> Surely there's room for a Fame. What do you need Twisted Forest for?
>> Anyone crazy enough to block Enkidu is crazy enough to gain an intercept
>> while doing so. You could also play Charisma for cheaper Raptors or
>> Perfectionist, that's always good.
>
> Charisma only saves on allies, not retainers. The birds don't care how
> cute you are. Insert Jake Washington instead for chump
> blocker/refill goodness. I also suggest Coven. Enkidu will be insanely
> thirsty, and you don't mind other decks gaining blood since that's not
> where you're hitting them at first. Later on the Coven will mean you're
> Tasting more too.

Bah, stupid Charisma. I agree on the Coven. I still think Perfectionist
could be okay. Rush a tapped weenie to get some Raptors out. Will the
player throw a fatty in the way? Sure, someone could burn a Wake, but I
see Perfectionist pay off more often than not.

>>> Combat (53 cards)
>>> 12 Earth Meld
>>> 4 Form of Mist
>>> 2 Infernal Pursuit
>>> 10 Pack Alpha
>>> 15 Psyche!
>>> 2 Quick Meld
>>> 2 Skin of Steel
>>> 6 Taste of Vitae
>>
>> I'm not a huge fan of the Earth Meld tech. Why not be beating people up
>> rather than ending combat? A few might be okay, but in general hands for
>> 3 seems like a stronger strategy. Likewise the Form of Mist. That only
>> seems needed if you play Fame.
>
> I disagree. Enkidu's built-in rush will get blocked a lot by weenies,
> both to save a big vamp or, they hope, to keep Enkidu from untapping
> via Fortitude. With FoM, you can get blocked, recruit a Raptor in
> combat, then take another stab at the original target. Maybe you'll be
> blocked again, but either way your opponent drops two combats' worth of
> cards and you can recruit a second raptor, and you might get through.
> With Earth Meld/Psyche and enough Raptors, his opponents will have
> essentially random hands until they're decked.

Okay, I'm with you on FoM, especially since there are only 4, but Raptor
discards are not random. If there are insufficient Raptors, the player
can hold onto a few key cards. That's why I suggested Owl Companion.
Then you can see exactly what your enemy is attempting to salvage from his
hand.

In any case, I would still make some of the Earth Melds into Flesh of
Marble or Leathery Hide or something like that and do a little more
fighting, but I guess I can do that in the deck I'm going to make one of
these weeks.

Matt Morgan

 

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005, Smiling Tom wrote:
>
> > I'm sure it's not the first attempt upon this deck, thought I still want to
> > ask for help with my version. It's currently under construction, so it has a
> > lot of things to tune up, and how to face some usual adversaries.
> >
> > It tries to built up fast on raptors with pack alpha, and use the earth
> > meld-psyche! to mill decks fast. The use of events is to lock weenieness
> > (though I agree that I have to rise the ammount to 5 o 6). And ousting, of
> > course, is the other problem. Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
> > prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help. Changing the
> > side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
> > my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
> > and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
> > the game.
>
> You could add Dia de los Muertos and Brinksmanship. That would be pretty
> humorous. The only problem would be accidentally ousting a persistent
> predator by decking him.

The other funny thing you can do is Dia de los Muertos and Meddling of
Semsith. Once you Raptor away their first 7 cards, they'll have 0 hand
size for the rest of the minion phase.

In fact you could possibly make a deck based on this without Dia de los
Muertos. Alexandra, Harrod, and Stanislava all have ANI/CEL and 3
bleed for built-in offense. Matt, make this deck.

Jason Babbitt

 

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:

{re: 7 Raptors and Meddling of Semsmith)

>
> You're a genius. Stanislava bleeds for 8 at stealth. Block? Bounce?
> AI? Oh, that's right, you don't have ANY CARDS AT ALL! Guess you're
> going to take it.
>
The best part is that you don't need CEL to pull off this trick, just
ANI and votes. At which point, the crypt really depends on whether you
want to use ANI/pre, ANI/dom, or ANI/OBF for Animal Magnetism (probably
the weakest choice, but also the easiest to put together with Nos
Princes/Primogen, with Christianus Lionel to counteract the -1 hand
size from Meddling).

 

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, jbabbitt wrote:

> The other funny thing you can do is Dia de los Muertos and Meddling of
> Semsith. Once you Raptor away their first 7 cards, they'll have 0 hand
> size for the rest of the minion phase.

Ha!

> In fact you could possibly make a deck based on this without Dia de los
> Muertos. Alexandra, Harrod, and Stanislava all have ANI/CEL and 3
> bleed for built-in offense. Matt, make this deck.

You're a genius. Stanislava bleeds for 8 at stealth. Block? Bounce?
AI? Oh, that's right, you don't have ANY CARDS AT ALL! Guess you're
going to take it.

Maybe I will make the deck.

Matt Morgan

 

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Smiling Tom wrote:
> I'm sure it's not the first attempt upon this deck, thought I still want to
> ask for help with my version. It's currently under construction, so it has a
> lot of things to tune up, and how to face some usual adversaries.
>
> It tries to built up fast on raptors with pack alpha, and use the earth
> meld-psyche! to mill decks fast. The use of events is to lock weenieness
> (though I agree that I have to rise the ammount to 5 o 6). And ousting, of
> course, is the other problem. Relying solely on dragonbound is quite
> prayerish... Path of lilith, army of rats and so could help. Changing the
> side vamps to 1 caps grants some more bleeding, but they are vulnerable to
> my own thirst. On the other hand, if they fall the can sum up to carvers,
> and with NuN I may be able to discard excess raptors/pack alphas later in
> the game.
>
> Deck Name: Enkidu`s herd
> Created By: tom
>
> Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 44, Avg: 7,5)
> ---------------------------------------------
> 6 Enkidu for ANI CEL OBF POT PRO 11 Gangrel Antitribu
> 1 Bobby Lemon pro ANI 4 Gangrel
> 1 Jane Sims ani aus pro VIC 4 Tzimisce
> 1 L`Epuisette aus cel pro 4 Toreador Antitribu
> 1 Jezebelle ani for pro 4 Gangrel
> 1 Tabitha Fisk obt pot pro 4 Lasombra
> 1 Scarlet Carson O`Toole pro CEL 4 Gangrel Antitribu
>
> Library: (90 cards)
> -------------------
> Master (8 cards)
> 1 Carver`s Meat Packing and Storage
> 1 Direct Intervention
> 1 Giant`s Blood
> 2 Guardian Angel
> 1 Pentex Subversion
> 1 Rack, The
> 1 Twisted Forest
>
> Action (1 cards)
> 1 Shadow of the Beast
>
> Reaction (11 cards)
> 2 Delaying Tactics
> 9 Forced Awakening
>
> Combat (53 cards)
> 12 Earth Meld
> 4 Form of Mist
> 2 Infernal Pursuit
> 10 Pack Alpha
> 15 Psyche!
> 2 Quick Meld
> 2 Skin of Steel
> 6 Taste of Vitae
>
> Retainer (14 cards)
> 2 Homunculus
> 12 Raptor
>
> Event (3 cards)
> 1 Dragonbound
> 1 Nightmares upon Nightmares
> 1 Thirst

This deck is supremely focused on what it is trying to do, but I'd like
to see slightly more flexibility.

4x Forced March
2x Jack of Both Sides
1x Aaron's Feeding Razor
1x Palatial Estate
1x Laptop Computer
1x Seal of Veddartha

That gives Enkidu some free multi-action capability with optional
stealth. Jack gives cheaper Raptors if you want to get them directly
(plus if you want, you can get two the hard way in a single turn with
Jack and an actual Raptor and Forced March). Slightly more personal
blood gain for Enkidu and slight boosting your bleed power (for any
vampire).

Not sure what I'd take out, but that's 10 cards you might consider
swapping to toolbox a bit more.

Jeff

 

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For anti-weenie I will add also Carver Meat Packing and Storage.... It
will be also a good HG for your Enkidu...

 

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>
> This deck is supremely focused on what it is trying to do, but I'd like
> to see slightly more flexibility.
>
> 4x Forced March
> 2x Jack of Both Sides
> 1x Aaron's Feeding Razor
> 1x Palatial Estate
> 1x Laptop Computer
> 1x Seal of Veddartha
>
> That gives Enkidu some free multi-action capability with optional
> stealth. Jack gives cheaper Raptors if you want to get them directly
> (plus if you want, you can get two the hard way in a single turn with
> Jack and an actual Raptor and Forced March). Slightly more personal
> blood gain for Enkidu and slight boosting your bleed power (for any
> vampire).
>
> Not sure what I'd take out, but that's 10 cards you might consider
> swapping to toolbox a bit more.
>
> Jeff

Well, the equipment is not an option due to enkidu's card text. I prefer the
earth meld+psyche! tech to forced march since this allows me to mill
additional cards, stay untapped to either recruit/rush/block (flexibility).
I'll ditch the twisted forest for a fame, though, and the other blood
gaining options suggested: Coven, jake and an archetype. Rather than
perfectionist, I'll add one of the others that allow me to gain blood each
turn (including opponents' turns) such as rebel, sociopath or creep show. I
think sociopath is the one that suits better to the deck theme...

 

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Smiling Tom wrote:
>>This deck is supremely focused on what it is trying to do, but I'd like
>>to see slightly more flexibility.
>>
>>4x Forced March
>>2x Jack of Both Sides
>>1x Aaron's Feeding Razor
>>1x Palatial Estate
>>1x Laptop Computer
>>1x Seal of Veddartha
>>
>>That gives Enkidu some free multi-action capability with optional
>>stealth. Jack gives cheaper Raptors if you want to get them directly
>>(plus if you want, you can get two the hard way in a single turn with
>>Jack and an actual Raptor and Forced March). Slightly more personal
>>blood gain for Enkidu and slight boosting your bleed power (for any
>>vampire).
>>
>>Not sure what I'd take out, but that's 10 cards you might consider
>>swapping to toolbox a bit more.
>>
>>Jeff
>
>
> Well, the equipment is not an option due to enkidu's card text.

Well, at least "loquipment", such as Palatial Estate, *is* an option
for Enkidu, since it does not count as equipment while in play ;-)

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