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Anonymous
September 10, 2005 3:04:11 PM

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Here is a deck with a concept I ripped of shamelessly from Ruben Van
Cauwenberghe. It uses Free state rant to remove blood and Edged Illusion to
send vampires to torpor. Its offense is also its defence, because both cards
can be used against your predator. Any suggestions on how to improve it?
Cards to take out for Society of Leopold?

Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 11 average: 6.77
------------------------------------------------------------

5x Ankla Hotep 9 CHI FOR OBF PRE pro Ravnos:2
4x Khalil Ravana 5 CHI ani for pre Ravnos:2
3x Salbatore Bokkengr 4 CHI for pro Ravnos:2
1x Ezmerelda 11 ANI CHI FOR PRE dom tha 2 votes Ravnos:2


Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [13]
7x Edged Illusion
2x Entrancement
4x Sensory Deprivation

Action Modifier [32]
7x Bewitching Oration
2x Bribes
2x Elder Impersonation
5x Fata Morgana
3x Forgotten Labyrinth
6x Freak Drive
7x Voter Captivation

Action Modifier/Combat [14]
7x Mirror Image
7x Occlusion

Ally [3]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Gregory Winter
1x Rom Gypsy

Event [3]
1x Dragonbound
1x Thirst
1x Torpid Blood

Master [18]
1x Archon Investigation
4x Blood Doll
1x Carver's Meat Packing and Storage
1x Creepshow Casino
2x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Fame
1x Fortune Teller Shop
1x Park Hunting Ground
2x Ravnos Carnival
1x Tension in the Ranks

Political Action [7]
7x Free States Rant


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Sat Sep 10 12:51:18 2005]

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Anonymous
September 10, 2005 3:04:12 PM

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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:04:11 GMT, "Jeroen Rombouts"
<jeroen.rombouts@NOSPAMtelenet.be> wrote:

>Here is a deck with a concept I ripped off shamelessly from Ruben Van
>Cauwenberghe. It uses Free state rant to remove blood and Edged Illusion to
>send vampires to torpor. Its offense is also its defence, because both cards
>can be used against your predator. Any suggestions on how to improve it?
>Cards to take out for Society of Leopold?

>Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 11 average: 6.77
>------------------------------------------------------------
>5x Ankla Hotep 9 CHI FOR OBF PRE pro Ravnos:2
>4x Khalil Ravana 5 CHI ani for pre Ravnos:2
>3x Salbatore Bokkengr 4 CHI for pro Ravnos:2
>1x Ezmerelda 11 ANI CHI FOR PRE dom tha 2 votes Ravnos:2

Since all of your vampires are group 2, and Edged Illusions costs 2
blood:

Take out one of every vampire except Ezmerelda and add 3 Gabrin.

>Library [90 cards]
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Action [13]
> 7x Edged Illusion
> 2x Entrancement
> 4x Sensory Deprivation

>Action Modifier [32]
> 7x Bewitching Oration
> 2x Bribes
> 2x Elder Impersonation
> 5x Fata Morgana
> 3x Forgotten Labyrinth
> 6x Freak Drive
> 7x Voter Captivation

>Action Modifier/Combat [14]
> 7x Mirror Image
> 7x Occlusion

>Ally [3]
> 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
> 1x Gregory Winter
> 1x Rom Gypsy

>Event [3]
> 1x Dragonbound
> 1x Thirst
> 1x Torpid Blood

>Master [18]
> 1x Archon Investigation
> 4x Blood Doll
> 1x Carver's Meat Packing and Storage
> 1x Creepshow Casino
> 2x Direct Intervention
> 2x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 2x Fame
> 1x Fortune Teller Shop
> 1x Park Hunting Ground
> 2x Ravnos Carnival
> 1x Tension in the Ranks

Replace the Tension in the Ranks and the Ravnos Carnivals with Paths
of Paradox.

Your combat is weak, so any half decent rush deck (grapple) or
intercept combat deck (telepathic tracking) will be all over your
minions. I would definitely consider some Apparitions.

I would also go with Minion Taps instead of Blood Dolls, as the huge
blood swing possible with Free States Rant and Bewitching Oration
Voter Captivation will be the only thing allowing you to get more than
2 vampires in play.

>Political Action [7]
> 7x Free States Rant
Anonymous
September 10, 2005 6:41:53 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad (More info?)

The Lasombra escreveu:

> I would also go with Minion Taps instead of Blood Dolls, as the huge
> blood swing possible with Free States Rant and Bewitching Oration
> Voter Captivation will be the only thing allowing you to get more than
> 2 vampires in play.

So agreed. But I'd also consider a g3-4 version of it, since there's
smaller vampires with for support and 1 more titled bigcap, and
would include a few Fatuus Mastery to avoid the need for many masters
(less Carnivals, less Paths). You also get less [CHI] and a Red List,
but you'll probably have more minions and will become the target fo the
table once the trick is pulled for the first time, so it balances out.
In short, here's a concept where I'd resist the temptation to include
Sensory Deprivations and open space to include 1-2 Bujo (depending on
metagame issues) and 1-2 Shared Nightmares (since you're aiming at
voting at stealth and reducing Chimestry costs anyway).

This will make the deck a little slower, but less vulnerable to the
regular issues a big-cap crypt usually faces (die horribly to a fast
predator, be it rush or weenie vote or sneaky bleed or weenie [obf]
or...)

I'm building a deck like this and will post it if it merits some
attention. If it fails miserably, probably I'll post some whinings too
:D 

best,

Fabio "Sooner" Macedo
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Anonymous
September 12, 2005 6:17:16 PM

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"The Lasombra" <TheLasombra@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:b4q5i1d2lblqvkoeodgmorjnbja84lq2br@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:04:11 GMT, "Jeroen Rombouts"
> <jeroen.rombouts@NOSPAMtelenet.be> wrote:
>
>>Here is a deck with a concept I ripped off shamelessly from Ruben Van
>>Cauwenberghe. It uses Free state rant to remove blood and Edged Illusion
>>to
>>send vampires to torpor. Its offense is also its defence, because both
>>cards
>>can be used against your predator. Any suggestions on how to improve it?
>>Cards to take out for Society of Leopold?
>
>>Crypt [13 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 11 average: 6.77
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>5x Ankla Hotep 9 CHI FOR OBF PRE pro Ravnos:2
>>4x Khalil Ravana 5 CHI ani for pre Ravnos:2
>>3x Salbatore Bokkengr 4 CHI for pro Ravnos:2
>>1x Ezmerelda 11 ANI CHI FOR PRE dom tha 2 votes Ravnos:2
>
> Since all of your vampires are group 2, and Edged Illusions costs 2
> blood:
>
> Take out one of every vampire except Ezmerelda and add 3 Gabrin.

I was already considering this. But an 8 cap without presence...But -like
said below- with minion taps it might be worth it.
>
>>Library [90 cards]
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>Action [13]
>> 7x Edged Illusion
>> 2x Entrancement
>> 4x Sensory Deprivation
>
>>Action Modifier [32]
>> 7x Bewitching Oration
>> 2x Bribes
>> 2x Elder Impersonation
>> 5x Fata Morgana
>> 3x Forgotten Labyrinth
>> 6x Freak Drive
>> 7x Voter Captivation
>
>>Action Modifier/Combat [14]
>> 7x Mirror Image
>> 7x Occlusion
>
>>Ally [3]
>> 1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
>> 1x Gregory Winter
>> 1x Rom Gypsy
>
>>Event [3]
>> 1x Dragonbound
>> 1x Thirst
>> 1x Torpid Blood
>
>>Master [18]
>> 1x Archon Investigation
>> 4x Blood Doll
>> 1x Carver's Meat Packing and Storage
>> 1x Creepshow Casino
>> 2x Direct Intervention
>> 2x Dreams of the Sphinx
>> 2x Fame
>> 1x Fortune Teller Shop
>> 1x Park Hunting Ground
>> 2x Ravnos Carnival
>> 1x Tension in the Ranks
>
> Replace the Tension in the Ranks and the Ravnos Carnivals with Paths
> of Paradox.

right. How could I forget the path?
>
> Your combat is weak, so any half decent rush deck (grapple) or
> intercept combat deck (telepathic tracking) will be all over your
> minions. I would definitely consider some Apparitions.

but what to take out? As it stands, if falls flat against a real rush deck.
But adding a bit of defence won't change that much.
>
> I would also go with Minion Taps instead of Blood Dolls, as the huge
> blood swing possible with Free States Rant and Bewitching Oration
> Voter Captivation will be the only thing allowing you to get more than
> 2 vampires in play.

true.

>
>>Political Action [7]
>> 7x Free States Rant
>
Anonymous
September 12, 2005 6:26:24 PM

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"Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo" <fabio.sooner@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1126388513.526179.180030@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The Lasombra escreveu:
>
>> I would also go with Minion Taps instead of Blood Dolls, as the huge
>> blood swing possible with Free States Rant and Bewitching Oration
>> Voter Captivation will be the only thing allowing you to get more than
>> 2 vampires in play.
>
> So agreed. But I'd also consider a g3-4 version of it, since there's
> smaller vampires with for support and 1 more titled bigcap, and
> would include a few Fatuus Mastery to avoid the need for many masters
> (less Carnivals, less Paths). You also get less [CHI] and a Red List,
> but you'll probably have more minions and will become the target fo the
> table once the trick is pulled for the first time, so it balances out.

The pre isn't important on the smaller minions. I want the FSR to be played
by 9 caps at least. And Hazimels 1 vote won't change that much.

> In short, here's a concept where I'd resist the temptation to include
> Sensory Deprivations and open space to include 1-2 Bujo (depending on
> metagame issues) and 1-2 Shared Nightmares (since you're aiming at
> voting at stealth and reducing Chimestry costs anyway).

If I add Gabrin and the paths, as The Lasombra suggested I might use Shared
Nightmares, but for the rest it's quite an expensive card. And the SD are
actually very good in this deck. the biggest problem are the very big vamps
who take too long to empty by FSR or get filled up by voter caps. Sensory
Deprivation stops them.

>
> This will make the deck a little slower, but less vulnerable to the
> regular issues a big-cap crypt usually faces (die horribly to a fast
> predator, be it rush or weenie vote or sneaky bleed or weenie [obf]
> or...)

actually, this deck LOVES weenie decks. FSR is a very good anti weenie card,
so is Edged illusion. well, unless they can bleed someone to death in 4
turns.

>
> I'm building a deck like this and will post it if it merits some
> attention. If it fails miserably, probably I'll post some whinings too
> :D 
>
let me know how it works out :-)
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 7:52:15 PM

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Hi, all--

I am also working on a Edged Illusion based deck. Right now, it's just
a sketch. I haven't been able to test it yet (maybe this Saturday) or
think a lot about cards ratio and such.

The crypt is quite high, mostly because I chose vampires with ANI and
CHI in the first place (because I would want to use most of the cards
at superior anyway). Maybe this can be improved, though.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Deck Name : Damage Dealers
Author : Clément

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 6.92
------------------------------------------------------------

4x Gabrin 8 ANI CHI dom for Ravnos:2
2x Joaquina Amaya 6 ANI CHI FOR Ravnos:2
2x Vaclav Petalengro 6 ANI CHI for pot Ravnos:2
1x Etienne Fauberge 8 ANI CEL CHI FOR Ravnos:3
1x Khalil Ravana 5 CHI ani for pre Ravnos:2
1x Salbatore Bokkengr 4 CHI for pro Ravnos:2
1x Spider-Killer 10 ANI CHI FOR OBF aus cel Ravnos:2

Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [16]
8x Edged Illusion
4x Fatuus Mastery
4x Sensory Deprivation

Action Modifier [10]
10x Fata Morgana

Action Modifier/Combat [8]
3x Mirror Image
5x Occlusion

Combat [28]
6x Aid from Bats
6x Apparition
6x Carrion Crows
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Trap

Equipment [1]
1x Shilmulo Tarot

Master [15]
3x Blood Doll
1x Fortune Teller Shop
1x KRCG News Radio
3x Minion Tap
1x Mob Connections
2x Path of Paradox, The
4x Svadharma

Reaction [12]
5x Cats' Guidance
5x Forced Awakening
2x Instinctive Reaction

Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Sep 14 19:49:53 2005]


Cheers,

Luiz Mello
Anonymous
September 14, 2005 10:51:38 PM

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Jeroen Rombouts wrote:

> but what to take out? As it stands, if falls flat against a real rush deck.
> But adding a bit of defence won't change that much.

Illusions of the Kindred. You are already set up to handle playing
expensive Chimestry cards, so you can handle playing this one, too. You
have a combined pool of 14 dodge/s:ce to play against the Psyche/TT
crowd, and this card shores you up against grapple. And of course it's
the most powerful defensive combat card in the game.

--

David Cherryholmes
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