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Welp, I was reading a article on P4 overclocking and in the benchmarks they turned sound off to get a +40 FPS increase in benchamrks.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardw [...] al/5.shtml

Could the sound card and CDROM slowed the vapochill box that much to pull it back out after loading the system?

Is this the only way the Tbird can beat P4 in tests? GFG Tom

Last post I made on this topic all the AMD losers chimed in with some BS that im a moron and it did not make a diff.

Well, I can say STFU you brainless morons! I told you something was fishy in that article yet you thought it was kosher.

Next question is how many times has he pulled parts to improve AMD scores on tests so AMD could win. Busted his lame ass on this one.

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If you read the acticle, you would of seen, that he said he will be doing the benchmarks for the systems with cd-rom and soundcards, so if the P4 still is crap after that is shown, will you admit, that he isn't biased. Whoops, im sorry, your so narrow minded, that you believe that Intel is god, and how dare another company actually make something that performs better then there best product. But I think the entire forum will agree, that we are all sick of your biased attitude towards AMD and Tom.

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Im not a lemming, I dont just follow the crowd around falling into whatever the person ahead of me does. lemmings are mindless followers.

Yeah, real smart to release this article when he plans to do it again.

Tom left those parts out for a reason, the reason was "that they did not benifit from it" that tells me that they hurt it so bad that it wasnt practicle to put them in.

"In this edition I refrained from adding any other component to the Power Box, such as a sound card, DVD-ROM, CD/RW and more, because the benchmarks in this first Power Box article would not benefit from it"

And more, wtf else did he leave out? why was is neccisary to leave those parts out.

Dont read my posts if you dont like them. but im sure you come here to find posts from me and you cannot resists sticking your foot in your mouth.

Reply to FUGGER

Um... ok, yeah, but he said that the sound was disabled in the Quake 3 tests anyway. So it was already achieving max performance, right? I honestly never expected the sound card to make a difference, I was apparently wrong on that, but Tom still tested all of the systems with no sound. So the sound card doesn't make any difference here.

Charles

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1) You can read...

2) ... a well known biased Intel website

3) this is true for all systems, if additional components/features are used when benchmarking

4) no

5) what kind of answers do you expect to your ranting?

6) the whole setup and process is documented

7) never

We usually do all benchmarks with no sound card and/or sound turned off as documented in the Test Setup table. There is nothing new to the fact that more turned on features (and yes, this includes sound) have an impact on the frame rate. Kudos for finding that out this well kept secret.

think first, then post

Fredi
Tom's Hardware Guide

Reply to Fredi

LOL. First you show us than a Pro-Intel website cheated on their benchmarks, then you try to prove a Pro-AMD website did the same!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply to Grizely1

PLs tell me how this makes a real difference when both the P4 and the Athlon box share the same advantage???

M

UK Prices are <font color=red>toooooooooo</font color=red> high , keep competition going to bring em down :smile:

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About time you guys answered.

Thanks for proving my point that the AMD performace was reduced so much that parts had to be removed to win at benchmarks vs a P4.

Do you think we pull those parts at home to get better game play.

Do you think that people at home are buying based upon FAKE numers that they will never see unless they pull parts too?

Not that it was a secret, its just that tom was reaching for highest possible number in bench.

GFG

Thanks for the reply Freddi, you proved my point that in fact the Vapochill box does have problem with those parts in it.

I believe it may have been unstable at those speeds or mabe sucks bad in performance. but we will never know because you will not post the results with parts installed.

But I guess thats what AMD has to do to beat a P4.

Reply to FUGGER

You really cannot be that... um... Surely you were able to understand everything that Fredi stated in his posts, right? I mean, he stated rather bluntly that all of the systems had the Sound Off. In other words: competing on equal grounds. Tom plans to stick a sound card in later on anyway, so you'll get your "equal" results.

It seems that you're just truly trying to find SOMETHING wrong with the test results or something. Have you read all of the posts in response to yours? A lot of them make some good points regarding the performance (granted, not all discuss the performance). Anyway, I'm just trying to be fair and stuff.

Charles

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Sharkey posted both scores with and without sound, notice the diff. tom should have done the same to show scaling of how much those parts reduce performance on both types of processors.

Not just leave parts out (not a normal config), and post results shading the reason for leaving the parts out.

If we wanted to run a dumb terminal, think we need 1.6Ghz?

Think before you post benchmarks.

Maybe car makers should strip the car down to a bare frame to get miles per gallon rating, that seems fair.

Reply to FUGGER
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I give up. I never proved any of your points. To say it again in simple words:

All systems run stable with the components or not. The benchmark numbers are the same with or without the components installed since the sound is turned off in the benchmarks.

Benchmarking is about eliminating as much different variables as possible. Of course, we are the only ones doing this.


Fredi
Tom's Hardware Guide

Reply to Fredi

FUGGER this is the stupidest post you have made yet. You need a brain transplant

first of all why in the world would Tom spend about $300 or so extra on sound card etc when it doesn't matter in the benchmarks? What Sharky posted shows the difference when sound is on or off, not having a sound card or not having a sound card. Benchmarks are always done without sound anyways. They were just showing the impact it could make if sound is on. When you run benchmarks you don't have a mp3 playing or something.

Just more excuses for P4's lame performance.

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