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Apple: A PC is No Bargain!

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April 17, 2009 10:27:17 PM

If you know what your doing, you shouldnt need to spend a dime on anti-virus software or any "geek squad" sinkhole..
April 17, 2009 10:33:53 PM

Yeah, everyone will think you're cool for spending way too much money on a computer.
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April 17, 2009 10:34:59 PM


All of my photo and video editing needs are met with free programs that come with Vista home premium. I have been using AVG free edition virus protection for the past 7 years without incident. In fact all 71 PC's that I take care of at work use AVG free edition as well. I don't put anything on the Macs at work.

Microsoft's reply should be laughter.

April 17, 2009 10:35:12 PM

Macs and pre-built computers suck equally.
April 17, 2009 10:35:51 PM

Avira antivir is a great Free product.
Picasa will work as ILife does.
Zonealarm is a great firewall.

Cmon ppl continue adding softwares to this list.
April 17, 2009 10:41:13 PM

there are free antivirus software, avg, when you buy a pc from dell you normally get 1+ year of norton. most isp give customer free pc internet security suite. sure apple has ilife, iwork, act, but there are simular products for pc. even free ones like open office, sure it sucks, but hey what do you want for free. it's understandable that microsoft needs to do a better job. spend some of its money and create better software and sure iwork and ilife are inexpensive when compared to office, but hey you already paid through the nose for an apple, so they give you a break on some of their software, but the aperture, final cut, logic studio, ect start to become expensive...
April 17, 2009 10:43:17 PM

simplyderpMacs and pre-built computers suck equally.

yeap, i like to build my own pc, i pick all the parts i want, sure it takes a little bit of work, but i end up with a daemon of a machine for a lot less money.
April 17, 2009 10:44:58 PM

Hasn't apple ever heard of open source software?

Oh wait, they love to stomp on that stuff...
Everything I need to do on a PC can be accomplished with free, effective software which is updated constantly by a dedicated community of users.
April 17, 2009 10:49:41 PM

So the MAXIMUM you can spend on a PC might come close to what you have to pay for a Mac, but how many PC users really end up having to pay anywhere near that much? Most people I know don't go to Geek Squad once a month, buy overpriced software, etc. With a PC, it's your choice if you want to spend that much. With a Mac, you have no choice.
April 17, 2009 10:56:36 PM

They're barking up the wrong tree here. I build my own PC's, but when I buy a laptop I format it anyway. I don't want the free shit that comes with them, yet alone with a Mac. The reason I choose PC is because I feel I have more freedom to choose between competing products. If I want a certain computer part, Windows accepts it, if I want a certain peice of software, it's made for Windows. If I want to play video games, watch Blu-ray, use a specific motherboard, videocard, memory, AMD products, Wireless adapter, router, memory card reader, etc. etc. etc. WINDOWS. WINDOWS. WINDOWS.
April 17, 2009 10:59:35 PM

I hate to be a fanboy..

Sometimes i simply hate Apple, I could never own one. (unless it were better then PC)
April 17, 2009 11:24:00 PM

fail Apple. I use AVG free and it cost me $35 to have my pc fixed when a transformer blew and fried my hard drive. you act as if everyone edits photos and videos. you can find those basic software for free on cnet.
April 17, 2009 11:49:49 PM

Nice, Microsoft got Apple to respond directly to their ads. Now Apple looks like they're the aggressive/obnoxious one.

Another win for Microsoft. Apple is turning into desperation mode, the direct reply to a Microsoft commercial shows it.
April 18, 2009 12:08:28 AM

Nobody gets the geek squad diagnosis. And PC's come with Windows Movie Maker and Windows Live Photo Editor. And with a PC you can FULLY customize what you want in it... not like in a Mac where you just HAVE to take what they give you and shut up.
April 18, 2009 12:10:54 AM

keither5150Wow! All of my photo and video editing needs are met with free programs that come with Vista home premium. I have been using AVG free edition virus protection for the past 7 years without incident. In fact all 71 PC's that I take care of at work use AVG free edition as well. I don't put anything on the Macs at work.Microsoft's reply should be laughter.

I think you just said too much about your AVG free usage.......
April 18, 2009 12:12:52 AM

Well these people are about as idiotic as their customers or is that they are smarter and are just taking advantage of their customers while at the same time giving them a false sense that they actually know what they are doing? Here are some problems, at least imho, with their argument:

"PC users will spend extra on software like decent virus protection and iLife, which endeavors to take care of all your photo and video-editing needs."

1. Decent virus protection can be had for free.
2. If I bought a PC why would I even consider using iLife anyway?

"Then you’ve got the fact that a GeekSqaud diagnosis is $129 versus the free Genius Bar diagnosis at Apple stores."

1. Yes owning a PC does require a person to actually learn to use a computer and how it works thereby allowing the person to become a better user and more knowledgeable of the technology surrounding it.
2. Apples Genius Bar from what I have seen just shows a person how to perform a specific set of tasks and that's it. Hardly qualifies a person as a genius.

***Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a life time.****

"The one thing that both Apple and Microsoft can agree on is that everyone thinks the Mac is cool."

1. Yes. They are nice to look at. That is till you see the sticker price. Cool? That is debatable. But that phase shows Apples arrogant, self important, and pompous attitude that for some reason seems to instill itself like a cancer in those that buy into them.

Seems like every Apple user I run into knows little or nothing of their cool, aesthetic pleasing computer. If something goes wrong they just hot foot it down to the Apple store where they shell even more money to get it fixed. Lets not forget parts and labor. With a PC, granted I build my own, I rarely have any problems and if I do I and most other PC users know exactly what we need to do and/or need to buy to get things right again and because of this we, at the very least, bypass the labor costs.
April 18, 2009 12:21:23 AM

"PC users will spend extra on software like decent virus protection and iLife, which endeavors to take care of all your photo and video-editing needs."

I always hear Apple reiterating time and again that they're a _hardware_ company, not a software house. Why then would they even bother mentioning software "superiority" when MS' ads target hardware sales.

This phase of the PC vs Mac war is funny. The "hardware" company is marketing their software and the software company is marketing (not even their own) hardware.
April 18, 2009 12:26:30 AM

LOL this is bad there was more truth in the MS ad then apples response to it. if you buy a brand name PC does it not already come with programs like internet security and other programs that are basically the same that is on a mac. most programs pre-installed have a year trial or somthing but still your getting better value with a PC
April 18, 2009 12:29:58 AM

QQ more. I really cannot imagine this Apple spokesperson actually representing the mindset of employees and customers. For the record...not everybody thinks Mac is cool. Heck, even my Design and Manufacturing professor who was a VP for Apple(when they were doing well) left to teach because he could not stand Macintosh (ipods however, are another story).
April 18, 2009 12:31:14 AM

Um...Macs don't play games last I checked which is what I want.
April 18, 2009 12:32:59 AM

Apple just ... sucks. period. "Apple Tax", yea, not worth it.
April 18, 2009 12:35:24 AM

keither5150Wow! All of my photo and video editing needs are met with free programs that come with Vista home premium. I have been using AVG free edition virus protection for the past 7 years without incident. In fact all 71 PC's that I take care of at work use AVG free edition as well. I don't put anything on the Macs at work.

Dude, Free Home Edition of AVG is exactly what the Licence agreement you have clicked on 71 times to install it at work, It is for free personal use on a home computer, They do sell professional versions which are for commercial use, I know as I used to work for a company that are retailers for AVG in the UK!

They have a free version so that the user base is matching the demands of virus definition updates, this allows them to effectivly create a sellable commercial product. AVG are not a huge company, so I do think that the licence should be followed and they get paid for commercial use if it is being used in this way!!

And as for Apple, OOOhhhhhh so cool a way to waste money NOT!!!!!! would rather pee it up a wall!!!!!

April 18, 2009 12:40:21 AM

wonder when Linux will be airing their ads...
admittedly, some of the runner ups weren't very professional looking and the one that looked professional makes me want to punch babies.
April 18, 2009 12:45:00 AM

Epic fail Apple, that's why I hate you. Cool people don't buy macs they build they're own PC's.

iMac & HP crapware killer
For $699 (newegg)

AMD Phenom II 940BE 3Ghz $189 (beats the hell out of your core2duos)
Gigabyte MA78GM UD2H $80
Corsair XMS2 DHX DDR2 800 2x1GB $40
Seagate 7200.12 500GB $60
OCZ SteathXtream 500w $60
Logitech MX 518 $40
Logitech Internet 350 Black $16
LG GH22NS30 $25
CoolerMaster CM-690 $75
Hanns·G JW-197DPB Black 19" $110

That's a powerfull PC, learn that Apple!
April 18, 2009 12:58:31 AM

me too....I think you just said too much about your AVG free usage....... beware knocks on the door~

The Apples Genius Bar are not the place you will want to go if you know how to fix "computer" problems. From what I have seen, it is a long line pack with people with sick computers and waiting for the person to help them. Some even told you it is better to schedule an appointment before came in. The Apples Genius Bar sound so familiar like my local!...Dr Genius will now see you and follow me please.

April 18, 2009 12:58:51 AM

Looks like a mac zealot is going through all the posts and downrating them. Watch out for them, they will harm your children!
April 18, 2009 1:04:25 AM

PC = Virus
It not a question with a PC if you will get a virus but when your antivirus software is capable of detecting the beastie already roaming on your machine.
PC's should never ever be connected to the internet they are just not safe.

Macs are for people smart enought to know that PC's just suck.
Yes linux is safer than windows but anything in Linux becomes a research project. becuase version x.xx is diferent from linux x.x and no two commands use the same syntax. need help type man no that commands needs info but it was not written yet so you need user but that got broken in the latest release so you need to use program y but just so you know distro k uses a diferent command structure than your distro.
YOU FAIL!!!!!!

Yes you need a hyper fast PC becuase 95% of the machines recources are used for windows.
Most windows users are ignorant of what a real OS is like and don't know better. Try something like AOS4.1 and you will cry the next time you start windows.

April 18, 2009 1:14:32 AM

All this deceit reminds me of the "!!!" commercials (with over a million sales!). Their program is listed on wiki rogue software and is known for barely working (its supposed to be a registry cleaner) and even at times making things worse. Totally not what the commercial implies... obviously. Yes people are really that stupid 'unknowing'. Anyways back to my point, I hate companies' ability to lie to the public and make money 'millions' off of it.
April 18, 2009 1:20:23 AM

Ummm, It's obvious he's poking fun at the Microsoft commercials. They just spent 3 ads saying "Mac's are cool but too expensive!". Hell even this website said the same thing!

This website used to have better things to do that slam Apple all day. Think we can get back to those things??
April 18, 2009 1:24:20 AM

KRAcH... thanks for the good laugh... lol. One of biggest lies about Macs are that they are impervious to viruses. In fact, most Mac owners I know don't even have anti-virus software installed. I recently scanned my friends mac-pro and found 7 viruses and 200+ spyware and tracking cookies. Come-on... I've had 1 virus with vista and it was easily taken care of with AVG FRee.
April 18, 2009 1:30:32 AM

AVG Free antivirus + Windows Live + Picasa fulfill all my needs. Plus, I can use a computer well enough to troubleshoot it myself - none of this Geeksquad stuff for me. So now what, Apple?
April 18, 2009 1:31:48 AM

So, by extension, is a Mac a bargain if it doesn't do what I want?

Macs have great LOOKING designs and great software for SOME users. Macs have LOUSY designs for people who want to be able to switch a notebook hard drive to an X25 or X18 SSD and upgrade memory to 4GB; or to drop in a Geforce 260 so the girlfriend can stop complaining about WoW framerates.

Macs have crappy programming software, and a lousy selection of "free or nearly free, cool software" (mostly because of the crappy programming software, I surmise).

Antivirus is a stupid comparison. There are lots of great free programs out there (like AVG Free), and many terrific, yet very inexpesive suites out there (like Kaspersky). If you can't afford $30 a year for 3 computers, and don't like the free selections... well, go audition for American Idol or something.
April 18, 2009 1:34:51 AM


You do know about Macbot going around right?
April 18, 2009 1:47:42 AM

Since Apple makes such tons of money on their iPods and iPhones, why don't they produce Macs at a break even point instead of squeezing a profit from them. They need more market share, more users, more devotees, so LOWER the price and move the merch, Mr. Jobs. You're swimming in money so you can well afford to prime the pump to really popularize these contraptions. Cut the price and you cut the legs out of the PC argument--except for some issues like software and parts swapping. Work on those concepts, too, Stevie, and you'll REALLY be king of the heap and Billy Boy will be a has-been. But, nobody in power is listening, or thinking.
April 18, 2009 1:58:20 AM

Doesn't Microsoft get sued for bundling it's own utility software with Window's? Something about other software vendors not being able to compete because users won't go buy the software if it already come installed with the OS? I don't know, just a random thought.
April 18, 2009 2:11:43 AM

keither5150In fact all 71 PC's that I take care of at work use AVG free edition as well.

So you've just advertised to the world that your company pirates software, well done! (AVG Free is for home users only, work machines should have a licence)
April 18, 2009 2:18:32 AM

thanks for getting the price wrong... seriously check your facts. A diagnostic is 69.99, and no the Apple Genius bar does do this! It is a full hardware scan. The 129.99 might be an anti-virus plus the install plus the optimization but other then that check your numbers. Just to let you know I do work at Geeksquad

Oh what about anti-virus for a Mac

I mean I simply can't justify paying 2k on a 15 inch screen... maybe that's just me
April 18, 2009 2:38:13 AM

I guess ill be the first to get pwned. I love my pc. I really love my new mac book pro.
April 18, 2009 3:06:17 AM

MACs are for little girls
April 18, 2009 3:49:45 AM

apple is totally talking bs.
Think about this, I spent 800 bucks on my near-2 year old computer, and it has quite a bit of horsepower compared to a Mac Pro, or simply just Macs.
Let's see the specs of my own-custom built comp.
C2D E4300 3.2ghz 400mhz fsb.
2 gigs of ddr2 800 ram 4-4-4-12 timings.
P5K motherboard, 320GB sata hdd, oh and umm, Nvidia 8600GT.
What can apple get us?
I bet spending 300 bucks more won't even get me a system with those specs.
Apple, get real with your prices, then I'll buy your products, or else I'm not gonna even spend a penny on your products.
What is the ending result? A "custom built" PC is a Bargain!
April 18, 2009 4:34:58 AM

If you're stupid, it's cheaper to use a Mac? Gee thanks internet
April 18, 2009 4:55:04 AM

I've had a computer in my families house for the last 8+ years (we got one way after most people), and we have yet to pay for any geeksquad type of service. PC users can either fix their own computer, have the ability to learn how, or know someone who can for them.
April 18, 2009 4:55:44 AM

Wait guys, I've got it... How about this combination:

No Antivirus
No Firewall

and anything else you could ever want, free and open-source, through Adept package manager?

*renewed hatred for Apple after spending last weekend fixing my ex-gf's MacBook*
April 18, 2009 5:18:37 AM

MafiaAceHasn't apple ever heard of open source software?Oh wait, they love to stomp on that stuff...Everything I need to do on a PC can be accomplished with free, effective software which is updated constantly by a dedicated community of users.

It actually makes me laugh for you to think Apple not embracing open source software ... hell more than 50% of Mac OS X is comprised of opensource software ... even the OS kernel has been opensourced by Apple. Microsoft is the one that's the antithesis of open source.

Anyways, I build my own PCs, but when it comes to laptops, I have to side with Apple on this one. Usually I need a quick UNIX machine since I don't really have that much time to maintain a Linux install, so the first thing that came into my mind is a Macbook. Another thing that makes my Macbook worth it is the multitouch trackpad, it's a godsend. Having an LED-backlit display and DDR3 memory sealed the deal. Sure, the white Macbooks don't last that long, but my aluminium Macbook that replaced my white Macbook has outlasted its predecessor. Heck, I got the replacement for free courtesy of Apple because I'm a student and because I'm covered by AppleCare.

If I compare my dad's Fujitsu laptop with mine. He paid $1100 CAD (after conversion from HKD) while I paid $1500 tax and AppleCare incl. My laptop is lighter, sucks in less battery, thinner and best of all, it runs a UNIX-certified OS. I'd take design and after sales service over a cheap hardware that I would either pay to fix or have to fix 'em myself.

Hell, I'm so fed up with fixing Dells (which has been is the most fixed laptop brand I've ever dealt with in my high school and its market share at my highschool is only 3rd to HP and Apple) that I basically refuse any Dell hardware service requests from my classmates and friends.

If it's worth it in the end, the initial investment is better than the frustrations you'll get in the long run. Something that neither company will advertise. I'm a happy Mac user and glad that I didn't cheap out on my investment.

I'm a computer science student and I'm both a PC and a Mac. So eat it Microsoft, I'm better than those who are PCs because I am both!
April 18, 2009 5:27:42 AM

Definitely the wrong place to talk about geek squads or anti virus programs costing you $$$. There are so many free AV programs out there that you could literally spend the whole lifespan of your Windows PC just hopping from one trial to another, without ever spending a single cent. This is, of course, assuming you'd NEED one in first place (most people in here don't).
Stupid comment by Apple, yeah, pretty much the norm. I'm so sick of these fruity news, yet for some reason it never gets old to bash the cuppertino company.

Getting more hits this way THG?
April 18, 2009 6:10:36 AM

... xe-xe... for all AVG free edition uzers, THX for giving me work... if you don't have at least a licensed copy of Bitdefender or Kaspersky, you don't have a antivirus... Tomshardware should maybe do a review of antiviruses too...

... i think, that tha premium for apple is tha software, tha full bundle already in tha box... tha one thing i don't go apple, except iPhone, iz that they don't have a AMD option...
April 18, 2009 6:15:49 AM

Didn't Justin Long played a PC hacker in that Die Hard movies.