Doom III On Xbox?

daddywags214 · Jun 18, 2003

I know that Doom III has been announced for Xbox as well as PC, but in all reality, will it even run very well on X? I find it hard to believe that a Radeon 9800 Pro or FX5900 Ultra would struggle with a game but it would run smoothely on Xbox. I know Xbox has limited support for programmable shaders, but in all reality, will it run well on Xbox @ a decent resolution w/ all those hoity toity features all at a decent framerate?

My bet is no. An Xbox can't hold a candle to a high-end PC.

What so you think?

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AMD_Man · Jun 18, 2003

I know that Doom III has been announced for Xbox as well as PC, but in all reality, will it even run very well on X? I find it hard to believe that a Radeon 9800 Pro or FX5900 Ultra would struggle with a game but it would run smoothely on Xbox. I know Xbox has limited support for programmable shaders, but in all reality, will it run well on Xbox @ a decent resolution w/ all those hoity toity features all at a decent framerate?

My bet is no. An Xbox can't hold a candle to a high-end PC.

What so you think?

Carmack said it would. Remember, the XBOX is, by default, running at around 640*480 res (on a regular TV). It is only on an HDTV that an XBOX can play higher res.

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daddywags214 · Jun 18, 2003

I still say no. I mean, they said Splinter Cell would run on PS2 @ 60fps but in the end I'm only seein' 30. That's still playable, but they're not always right. Of course, then, I could be wrong, too.

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AMD_Man · Jun 19, 2003

I still say no. I mean, they said Splinter Cell would run on PS2 @ 60fps but in the end I'm only seein' 30. That's still playable, but they're not always right. Of course, then, I could be wrong, too.

We're talking about the XBOX here not the PS2. Remember, the XBOX plays Splinter Cell just as well as the PC with equivalent quality (albeit at lower resolution).

EDIT: Besides, who said the Radeon 9800 Pro or FX5900 Ultra would struggle? All we've seen is an nVidia optimized beta demo? That's not much...

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daddywags214 · Jun 19, 2003

More like they COULD struggle. Besides, Splinter Cell was designed for Xbox. And I was using the PS2 as a comparison to Xbox, not PC. Splinter Cell on Xbox runs 35 fps with considerable slowdown. Splinter Cell on a 9800 Pro @ 1024 x 768 runs a solid 50.

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uber_m0j0 · Jun 19, 2003

Splinter Cell also runs on Gameboy and some cell phone I hear

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AMD_Man · Jun 19, 2003

Splinter Cell on Xbox runs 35 fps with considerable slowdown. Splinter Cell on a 9800 Pro @ 1024 x 768 runs a solid 50.

I've never noticed any slow down playing it on my XBOX.

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spud · Jun 19, 2003

Wow I never knew the Xbox had a frame counter... or are you special and can tell what the FPS with your eyes.

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Ryan_Plus_One · Jun 19, 2003

I would also like to know where you are getting your XBOX FPS counts from.

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Willamette_sucks · Jun 19, 2003

A normal TV can do up to 1024x768.
Ever use ur tv out? Geeze.

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Willamette_sucks · Jun 19, 2003

AMD_Man the XBOX runs at either 800x600 or 1024x768 depending on the game/settings. Theres also support for higher resolutions for HDTV I believe. It also sometimes uses a form of AA (again depending on game/settings).

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phial · Jun 19, 2003

dude that is so not true

most tvs are like, 300x200 or 400x200 or something. one of the HDTV formats is 1024x800 and another one is like 800x600 with some sort of filtering to improve sharpness i think

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Willamette_sucks · Jun 19, 2003

Theres nothing to agree/disagree about.
I have a 27" NON-HDTV, but I believe ALL tv's (maybe made after a certain year? dunno) no matter what size can go up to 1024x768. HDTVs can go up to 1280x1024, but thats not their only difference.

The PS2 and the Gamecube run at 800x600. As far as I know, the XBOX is the only one that can run at 1024x768.

Hook your damn computer up to your TV via svideo!

It frickin runs at 1024x768! Don't believe me? Check it out. (Even if you think XP is lying to you when it says its running at 1024x768, which its not, you can tell by looking it IS 1024x768, 32-bit color!)

Didn't think that was a lesser known fact.

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Unit01 · Jun 19, 2003

You should be more worries if the xbox announcement will delay doom3 even more for pc. Otherwise try out system shock 2 with the new high res models. Those should scare the crap out of you

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dhlucke · Jun 19, 2003

Analog TV's, what most people have, run at 512x400.

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dhlucke · Jun 19, 2003

DTV and HDTV run at either 1280x720 or 1920x1080

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shadus · Jun 19, 2003

There are several advantages to consoles, the major one being non-moving hardware target. They know what hardware they have and can optimize for it without any fear of screwing up some other hardware type that jobob has. It will probally run acceptably on the xbox, not quite as well as a very high end pc, but better than most.

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phial · Jun 19, 2003

ok you were right lol

what i raed must have been about older TVs. my bad

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dhlucke · Jun 19, 2003

No. You were both wrong.

He has a digital TV. Most people have analog TV's. In a few years everyone will NEED a HDTV or a DTV with a HDTV converter.

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cleeve · Jun 19, 2003

It'll run smoothly because it's a console. They know exactly what kind of hardware it has and will tweak image quality accordingly.

But will it have the same image quality as a high end PC? Nope.

Willamette_sucks · Jun 19, 2003

No dhuckle, like i said, I do NOT have an hdtv, or a digital TV. We probly got this TV around 95-97, and it wasnt top of the line back then either. Im not sure what youre saying is the difference between a "DTV" and an "HDTV" though. Ours is most certainly not an HDTV, and I dont think its a DTV, but it has an svideo input if thats what you were referring to (digital input). Lots of tvs have svideo inputs.

The resolutions you mentioned for HDTV are its native resolutions (and the resolutions that will be used by digital television and dvd signals). It can run outside spec, and so can normal TVs.

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dhlucke · Jun 20, 2003

Find me a single link showing an analog TV running at a high resolution.

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dhlucke · Jun 20, 2003

Better yet, what TV do you have?

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TheGreatGrapeApe · Jun 20, 2003

Actually most analog TV's run 480i (aka EDTV or SDTV) and they can run a computer signal 640Hx480V 4:3 NTSC. however remember that that is interlaced so it is an effective resolution of 320x480. Older TVs ran at 300 lines. And it's all dependant on the quality of your signal, basic cable is still about ~250-300 lines. The thing is that these shows are actually recorded at 525i and you lose the outsaide edges after production. The final output is supposed to be 483i (720x483) by NTSC standard, but everyone seems to go along with the 480i (640x480) as a matter of practice. Also remember that the first scan line contains no picture, just data.

ACATS high definition format is 1080i 1922Hx1080(1125)H, but once again that is interlaced. 720P (1280x720) (progressive) is also considered HDTV but is rarely used for anything but broadcast (Fox and ABC's method of choice [which may change once a definitive broadcast standard is set {which may never happen}]) and movies.

Now that doesn't even include all the other non-Ntsc resolutions and even the 'rare' 540P and 960i ( other widescreen formats (promotoed by 'hollywood'))

Mos HDTV's only accept 1024x768 direct input from computers, but some of the larger and newer ones are incorporating 1280x1024 some even coming with DVI jacks along with the DB-15 which is common on Sat receivers (like mine).

Since we are talking about the X-box it's got the srttings for 480i (p?) and 1080i. So at EDTV/SDTV resolution the Xbox has to draw a VERY small number of pixels 480x640= 307200 pixels vs a 'normal' computer screen of 1024x768 = 786432; that's more than twice as many pixels.

A TV also has the advantage of edge blending/bleeding which makes the pictures look smoother (except when they aren't adjusted and sennt straight from a PC and NEED thatsharpness for definition, ever tried to read text? from a PC on TV. Compare to you PC)

The Xbox at SDTV levels can 'look' better than a PC game because it doesn't work as hard for the same picture and can cheat on the quality which the TV itself will make up for.

BTW, HDTV is simply a subset of DTV, but not All DTV TV's are able to show an HDTV signal properly.

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AMD_Man · Jun 20, 2003

BTW, HDTV is simply a subset of DTV, but not All DTV TV's are able to show an HDTV signal properly.

I disagree. HDTV and DTV don't have to be related. In many Asian countries, they have analog HDTV.

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