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BREAKING: Oracle Buying Sun for $7.4 Billion

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April 20, 2009 1:20:14 PM

Sooo... they've sold it to Oracle for the same price that IBM was offering. Weird.. I mean, if I was Sun I'd rather sell to IBM, after all they have far more in common than Sun and Oracle. I'm guessing a big part of Sun will just get thrown out in garbage once restructuring is finished, which wouldn't happen with IBM.

Ofcourse, I'm no analyst of any kind, just IMHO..
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April 20, 2009 1:53:15 PM

sun being sold to oracle? that might be good news! perhaps in a year or so we'll have a version of java that actually works as documented! oracles databases rarely misbehave after all ... and java always does ...
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April 20, 2009 2:02:22 PM

if this is the fact then Google, MS, and Yahoo and all other search engines should be found guilty cause we all know that you can punch in the name of the program/music/movie that you are looking for and add the word torrent to it and find it. so in essence they are all guilty for leading you to the end copywrited material.
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April 20, 2009 2:10:20 PM

^i think you got the wrong thread :p 
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April 20, 2009 2:16:36 PM

Maybe they could invest some money into making their database a little more stable. I swear mines down once a week.
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April 20, 2009 2:27:24 PM

What does this mean for MySQL? With Oracle having it's own database, would this not be a conflict of interest? Would we have to start paying for licenses?
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April 20, 2009 2:29:36 PM

Oracle excels in DBMS but I was suffering when I used the Oracle development forum... it was so frustrating to use and it was so outdated. It was like a project made by some student and totally messed up.

I hope that they will enhance Java before using it for any reason. I hope that they will deliver a USABLE product that is USER-FRIENDLY and does what it supposed to do in terms of functionality.
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April 20, 2009 2:29:51 PM

Is there anyway to disable that fucking Dell ad that pops up every time I visit this site.
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April 20, 2009 2:32:15 PM

fonzyIs there anyway to disable that fucking Dell ad that pops up every time I visit this site.

use kaspersky's anti banner feature - or download one of the many rigged lists for your hosts file to redirect the ad sites to localhost

smk4664What does this mean for MySQL? With Oracle having it's own database, would this not be a conflict of interest? Would we have to start paying for licenses?

I don't know the answer to that, but it got me thinking. Our management told us in december, that from this year we're going to use openoffice on the ~2000 pcs we have for customers.... openoffice is sun right? I wonder if that's still going to be free then?
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April 20, 2009 2:38:53 PM

WTF? Welp, with MySQL as their biggest competitor in databases it's not a bad move for them. They paid too much though ^_^. This way they can control MySQL, heck maybee they will even tone down the paid support so they can say "If you want a real database with real support you need to upgrade from MySQL. Look we're running a special on it!".
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April 20, 2009 2:40:04 PM

Openoffice is sponsored by Sun and Sun then ... ahh... repackages(?) it as Star Office for Solaris. The project may have to find a new sponsor. If MySQL wasn't already dead in the water, then I think this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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April 20, 2009 2:44:51 PM

neiroatopelccI don't know the answer to that, but it got me thinking. Our management told us in december, that from this year we're going to use openoffice on the ~2000 pcs we have for customers.... openoffice is sun right? I wonder if that's still going to be free then?

Yes, Open Office is Sun. Along with Virtual Box, and a few other Open Source software. I don't really know what Oracle's track record with Open Source is, but this could present a problem for the linux community.
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April 20, 2009 2:48:09 PM

squatchmanOpenoffice is sponsored by Sun and Sun then ... ahh... repackages(?) it as Star Office for Solaris. The project may have to find a new sponsor. If MySQL wasn't already dead in the water, then I think this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Okay - so if you're right, I don't have to worry having to remove it in 6 months again.

smk4664Yes, Open Office is Sun. Along with Virtual Box, and a few other Open Source software. I don't really know what Oracle's track record with Open Source is, but this could present a problem for the linux community.

Oracle is one of the creators of realvnc - so they do know what opensource is - in general I don't like opensource though. I prefer software where someone claims responsibility when there's a problem.
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April 20, 2009 2:57:08 PM

Will Oracle sell parts of Sun to HP as many news stated before? Or will Oracle keep the Hardware business divisions?

IMO IBM didn't really have the need to buy Sun to improve its business. I see it just an opportunity for IBM to remove a smaller competitor from market.

Another player which has been silent is Microsoft. Maybe it's waiting to buy HP one day... :-)

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April 20, 2009 2:57:21 PM

The "open source" side of things will be completely up in the air until oracle makes official comment. And that comment could slice either direction.

In terms of what it could mean for their database...this could be a very very good match. Java makes great GUI front ends, esp considering it can load and run the same way regardless of OS. Building this into their software to make it a more complete and flexible package in terms of customizing end user interfaces would be a handy thing I'd imagine.
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April 20, 2009 3:01:54 PM

Oracle is positioning themselves nicely to be able to provide an end-to-end server side Web Application environment. Java + WebLogic + Oracle = Dominant
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April 20, 2009 3:11:07 PM

If Oracle plays their cards right with this move, then they could potentially be one of the strongest players out here. Oracle has such a high potential of growth now that they have control of MySQL. Despite Oracle being ok with open source, they're not going to let MySQL go on like it has. Hell, if I were them, I'd can MySQL all together.
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April 20, 2009 3:59:01 PM

I am guessing this will be the end of the line for Open Office.
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April 20, 2009 4:06:36 PM

crap this is terrible news. ibm would have been better for java. i guess oracle has been of late buying has beens and losers, like bea... focus on large companies, large business solutions and services.
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April 20, 2009 4:17:52 PM

taybI am guessing this will be the end of the line for Open Office.


Illustrating a fundamental lack of understanding of open source. Yes, Open Office will need to find another corporate sponsor if Oracle does not continue to fund its development should this deal go through.

Since Oracle currently markets DBMS software systems including RHEL OS with one-stop full service contracts for both the DB and OS, they DO have a vested interest in open source, though not so much on the desktop at this point. I suspect this means will now be able to take that same product and include the hardware.
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April 20, 2009 4:40:19 PM

I am just glad to see Oracle spend some of the mounds of cash they have been hording.
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April 20, 2009 6:13:05 PM

Oracle is developing the new BRFS file system for Linux. I don't think we should worry too much about the impact on OSS and Linux in general. There will be some changes for sure. I think OO will move to Ubuntu and Novell and we can see some good changes there. I hope that Oracle combines the strong features from MySQL and Oracle DB and produce superior DB framework. If I am MS I would worry about the future of the MS SQL.
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April 20, 2009 7:29:07 PM

zingamYou don't read any license agreements ever, don't you?

Ofcourse I don't - but that's not the point really.
The point is, that if the openoffice owners change, they might foget how to support their software - like the rest of the opensource industry. And thus the management might reconsider and once again change their minds.
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April 20, 2009 8:34:44 PM

BlessedmanI am just glad to see Oracle spend some of the mounds of cash they have been hording.


they are not like microsoft which is sitting on a pile of cache, in fact they actually don't have all that much cache, sure they have 11.29B, but they owe 11.24B! Now they do have a nice net profit 5.74B and good profit margins 24.29%

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ORCL

Microsoft has 20.30B in cash and only owes 2.00B, not that is nice pile of cash. Plus they have net provits of 17.23B and profit margin of 27.80%

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=MSFT

what oracle has been doing of late is buying losers and has beens, large companies like Sun and BEA.
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April 20, 2009 9:01:00 PM

I don't exactly know what Oracle is, or what that company does, but all I know is that it's helping my virtual stock simulator's Sun shares to jump in price, and I'm happy! :) 
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April 20, 2009 9:05:26 PM

eddieroolzI don't exactly know what Oracle is, or what that company does, but all I know is that it's helping my virtual stock simulator's Sun shares to jump in price, and I'm happy!

Oracle is a software developer primarily providing corporate level software. They're a bit like foxconn - if you're just a consumer, you won't know them.
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April 20, 2009 9:30:12 PM

JAVA and MySQL will be going bye-bye, that's my prediction. I like .NET?SQL much more anyhow, JAVA is ridiculously hard to learn in comparrision.
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April 20, 2009 10:02:27 PM

Nice Job Scott McNealy ...sell it to Oracle...and Kill MySQL ..
all for some cents per Share ..
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April 20, 2009 10:59:06 PM

salem80Nice Job Scott McNealy ...sell it to Oracle...and Kill MySQL ..all for some cents per Share ..


yeah, i heard the news earlier today, its clear that mcneally was behind this, basically if he couldn't have it then nobody would, the ship was sinking, he wasted ibm's time and efforts, no deal, so he at the last minute worked out deal with his friend ellison for sun, can you believe no due diligence, nothing... it was like worked out in under 48 hours. nuts, the sad thing is that a lot of people are going to lose out, sure they make it look like a better deal, all charade, oracle will eventually be carving it up, gutting it. oracle is not a hardware company, but the destruction of sun did not start today, it started a long time ago, when i worked there a decade ago it was rotten, the executives were like out to lunch bailing out with the $$$ from the internet bubble and not investing it. they really hurt their ability to bring quality products to market, god they made their money from going after microsoft and settling with them, not from their product sales and a long string of half hearted efforts with engineers working very hard and have to do with what was left, real lack of leadership.
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April 21, 2009 1:53:06 AM

p05estoJAVA and MySQL will be going bye-bye, that's my prediction. I like .NET?SQL much more anyhow, JAVA is ridiculously hard to learn in comparrision.


I highly doubt JAVA is going bye by because, if I'm not mistaken, some of Oracles products were built off java technology. If anything Java should get a boost from the acquistion. MySQL on other hand could nbe on the chopping block. MySQL is open source (free) so there isn't much money to be had in this. I could see Oracle keeping a MySQL as a low end, low demand database option.
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April 21, 2009 2:24:26 AM

rdawiseI highly doubt JAVA is going bye by because, if I'm not mistaken, some of Oracles products were built off java technology. If anything Java should get a boost from the acquistion. MySQL on other hand could nbe on the chopping block. MySQL is open source (free) so there isn't much money to be had in this. I could see Oracle keeping a MySQL as a low end, low demand database option.


oracle already has low end verions of it's database.

java is used by oracle in it's developer tools and database servers. for example server side procedures written in java

microsoft jas same using .net

i still think ibm would have been better
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April 21, 2009 5:57:27 AM

neiroatopelccOracle is a software developer primarily providing corporate level software. They're a bit like foxconn - if you're just a consumer, you won't know them.


Ah, thanks for clarifying.
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April 21, 2009 3:38:29 PM

jsloanoracle already has low end verions of it's database. java is used by oracle in it's developer tools and database servers. for example server side procedures written in javamicrosoft jas same using .neti still think ibm would have been better


The scope of MySql & low end Oracle RDBMS are different. Pulling the plug from MySql wouldn't boost Oracle sales, but simply the community would go for PostgreSQL, which is also opensource and in fact vastly superior to MySQL *and* vastly superior to Oracle entry level RDBMS offerings too!

But this acquisition might change the Java landscape significantly, having some of main competitors of Oracle have invested substantially to Java. Causing them to get nearer to Microsoft, as MS is pretty more neutral than Oracle is, in terms of dev environments and wants to get .NET in every possible system out there, preferring it to perform better in Windows, of course.

We'll see it soon, what'll come out. :) 
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