Screams from Within

[polaris]

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Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
creatures? If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to the
graveyard and stay there?


Screams from Within
1BB
enchant creature

Enchanted creature gets -1/-1.

When enchanted creature is put into a graveyard, return Screams from Within
from your graveyard to play.

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Polaris <stopspamnowpolaris@triad.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
> I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
> goes to the graveyard?

"When enchanted creature is put into a graveyard, return Screams from
Within from your graveyard to play."

212.4e If a local enchantment is coming into play by any other means
than being played, and the effect putting it into play doesn't specify
what it will enchant, the player putting it into play chooses a
permanent or player for it to enchant as it comes into play. In this
case, the enchantment doesn't target the permanent, but the player who
is putting it into play still must choose a permanent or player that the
enchantment can enchant. If no legal permanent or player is available,
the enchantment remains in the zone from which it attempted to move
instead of coming into play. The same rule applies to moving a local
enchantment from one permanent to another or from one player to another.
The permanent or player to which the enchantment is to be moved must be
able to be enchanted by it. If it isn't legal, the enchantment doesn't
move.

> Am I required to play it on one of my own
> creatures?

The rule says "must choose", not "may choose".

> If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to the
> graveyard and stay there?

"If no legal permanent or player is available, the enchantment remains
in the zone from which it attempted to move instead of coming into
play." [212.4e]
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Polaris wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens
> if I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and
> it
> goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
> creatures?

Yep.

> If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to
> the graveyard and stay there?

Yep.
>
>
> Screams from Within
> 1BB
> enchant creature
>
> Enchanted creature gets -1/-1.
>
> When enchanted creature is put into a graveyard, return Screams from
> Within from your graveyard to play.
>

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

 

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GMT, Polaris <stopspamnowpolaris@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
>I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
>goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
>creatures?

You are required to -put it into- play on one of your creatures, yes. Nothing
on it says "return it to play enchanting a creature your opponent controls";
your own creatures are a legal choice.

(A creature with proBlack is -not- a legal choice - it can't be enchanted by
black enchantments - but a creature that "can't be the target of spells or
abilities" is, because no targetting is involved in picking a creature for the
Screams to enchant as it comes back into play.)

> If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to the
>graveyard and stay there?

Yes; its ability triggers, and on resolution finds there's nothing legal to
put the Screams on in play. 212.4e then says it stays in the graveyard, instead
of getting put into play.

Dave
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Polaris, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
> I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
> goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
> creatures?

Yes. The ability doesn't say "may" anywhere, so it's not optional. If
there's a creature to put it on, you have to put it on that creature.
(If that creature isn't a legal enchantee - say it has Protection from
Black - Screams still tries to come into play enchanting it, then goes
to the graveyard and stays there.)

> If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to the
> graveyard and stay there?

Yes. Even if another creature later comes into play, the triggered
ability is long gone; SfW stays in the graveyard.

> Screams from Within
> 1BB
> enchant creature
>
> Enchanted creature gets -1/-1.
>
> When enchanted creature is put into a graveyard, return Screams from Within
> from your graveyard to play.

 

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Jeff Heikkinen, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> Polaris, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> > Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
> > I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
> > goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
> > creatures?
>
> Yes. The ability doesn't say "may" anywhere, so it's not optional. If
> there's a creature to put it on, you have to put it on that creature.
> (If that creature isn't a legal enchantee - say it has Protection from
> Black - Screams still tries to come into play enchanting it, then goes
> to the graveyard and stays there.)

Correction: in light of the rule Daniel posted, it would just stay in
the graveyard in this case. (This must be a relatively recent change in
the rules, but it rarely makes a difference in play anyway - the
difference between "stays in the graveyard" and "comes momentarily into
play then goes back to the graveyard and stays there" is only rarely
important).

> > If there are no other creatures in play, does Screams go to the
> > graveyard and stay there?
>
> Yes. Even if another creature later comes into play, the triggered
> ability is long gone; SfW stays in the graveyard.
>
> > Screams from Within
> > 1BB
> > enchant creature
> >
> > Enchanted creature gets -1/-1.
> >
> > When enchanted creature is put into a graveyard, return Screams from Within
> > from your graveyard to play.
>

 

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Jeff Heikkinen <oh@s.if> wrote:

> Correction: in light of the rule Daniel posted, it would just stay in
> the graveyard in this case. (This must be a relatively recent change in
> the rules, but it rarely makes a difference in play anyway - the
> difference between "stays in the graveyard" and "comes momentarily into
> play then goes back to the graveyard and stays there" is only rarely
> important).

Define "relatively recent". I found the following dating from April 23,
1999; note the last sentence:

214.8d When playing a local enchantment spell, the player announces the
spell's target. The local enchantment comes into play attached to the
target permanent. If a local enchantment is coming into play through any
other means, its controller chooses a permanent when it attempts to
enter play. If no legal permanent is available, the enchantment remains
in the zone that it attempted to move from.

(That is a different rule number, though.)
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http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
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Jeff Heikkinen <oh@s.if> wrote:
>Jeff Heikkinen, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
>> Polaris, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
>> > Hi folks, I'm kinda new so I have an simple question here. What happens if
>> > I have Screams from Within in play on my opponent's last creature, and it
>> > goes to the graveyard? Am I required to play it on one of my own
>> > creatures?
>>
>> Yes. The ability doesn't say "may" anywhere, so it's not optional. If
>> there's a creature to put it on, you have to put it on that creature.
>> (If that creature isn't a legal enchantee - say it has Protection from
>> Black - Screams still tries to come into play enchanting it, then goes
>> to the graveyard and stays there.)
>
>Correction: in light of the rule Daniel posted, it would just stay in
>the graveyard in this case. (This must be a relatively recent change in
>the rules, but it rarely makes a difference in play anyway - the
>difference between "stays in the graveyard" and "comes momentarily into
>play then goes back to the graveyard and stays there" is only rarely
>important).

And note that this happens only if _all_ the creatures in play can't be
enchanted by it, not just if "the one you pick has proBlack" - you can't
pick one with proBlack at all, so if there's others you do have to pick
one of them, you can't just say "I pick the White Knight, oops, guess that
gets rid of it forever".

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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Daniel W. Johnson <panoptes@iquest.net> wrote:
>(That is a different rule number, though.)

Yes - the rulebook got, essentially, stirred with a spoon for 8th Edition.
All sorts of rules, while still there, are not where they were for the 6E/7E
rulebooks...

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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Chris Mattern <matternc@comcast.net> wrote in
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[snippage]


> Yep.



Thanks everyone. I knew the answer was probably in the rules somewhere,
but I had no idea where.


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"...all p-branes are created equal."
-S. Hawking