Change of control and Comes into play

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Hello !

I need a little advice from you clever people...
The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
with that ability changes its controller ? Let's say I have a Bone
Shredder in play and my opponent snags it from me with Merieke Ri
Berrit. Does he get to destroy a creature with the Bone Shredder's ability ?
I'd say no, because "comes into play" implies that the permanent has
been in a zone other than "in play" before it can come into play.
Changing control of a permanent in play doesn't make it leave and
re-enter play, so the effect shouldnt trigger.
But the thing is, other players in my group insist that they DO trigger...


M.G.Palmer

 

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Hello, M.G.Palmer!
You wrote on Tue, 25 May 2004 16:58:13 +0200:

MP> Hello !

MP> I need a little advice from you clever people...
MP> The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the
MP> permament
MP> with that ability changes its controller ?

Here is a glossary entry for "comes into play":
Comes into Play

A permanent comes into play when the card or token representing it is
moved into the in-play zone. A permanent whose type or controller
changes doesn't "come into play."
Hopefully this clears the confusion...

Regards,
Arkady.

 

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"M.G.Palmer" <SatoshiUrotsukidoji@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:c8vmnp$64j$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hello !
>
> I need a little advice from you clever people...
> The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
> with that ability changes its controller ?
Generally, no. Note that the creature will be summon sick, however. I can
think of a couple ways where a change of controller would cause CiP's, but
the change of controller is not the primary reason for that happening.
Anyone know what I mean?

> Let's say I have a Bone
> Shredder in play and my opponent snags it from me with Merieke Ri
> Berrit. Does he get to destroy a creature with the Bone Shredder's ability
?
> I'd say no, because "comes into play" implies that the permanent has
> been in a zone other than "in play" before it can come into play.
> Changing control of a permanent in play doesn't make it leave and
> re-enter play, so the effect shouldnt trigger.
Exactly. And you said you needed advice...

> But the thing is, other players in my group insist that they DO trigger...
>
Well they're wrong, and you're right.


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On Tue, 25 May 2004, M.G.Palmer wrote:

> Hello !
>
> I need a little advice from you clever people...
> The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
> with that ability changes its controller ?

"When <foo> comes into play ..." triggers on <foo> comming into play,
not on <foo> changing controler, <foo> going to the graveyard, <foo>
being the target of a spell or you touching your left foot with your
right hand while standing on your head, if you know what I mean

--

David

 

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M.G.Palmer sez:

<<
>The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
>with that ability changes its controller ?
>
>>

I'll answer your question with a question: Did the permanent come into play
when it changed controllers? The answer to that is the answer to this.

Cryptic enough for ya?


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Andy Jakcsy, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> M.G.Palmer sez:
>
> <<
> >The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
> >with that ability changes its controller ?
> >
> >>
>
> I'll answer your question with a question: Did the permanent come into play
> when it changed controllers? The answer to that is the answer to this.
>
> Cryptic enough for ya?

It might be - this is precisely what many players who ask this sort of
question are confused about.

(For the original poster's benefit, the answer is no - changing
controlers does not involve the permanent leaving play then coming back
into play, it remains in play the whole time. Therefore "comes into
play" triggers do not happen.)

 

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M.G.Palmer <SatoshiUrotsukidoji@gmx.de> wrote:
>I need a little advice from you clever people...
>The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
>with that ability changes its controller?

Nope. Nothing came into play; nothing left play. Something in play changed
who controls it.

The in-play zone is one zone. It has separate sections or areas for each
player's stuff... but it's all one zone.

>Let's say I have a Bone
>Shredder in play and my opponent snags it from me with Merieke Ri
>Berrit. Does he get to destroy a creature with the Bone Shredder's ability ?

Nope.

>I'd say no, because "comes into play" implies that the permanent has
>been in a zone other than "in play" before it can come into play.

Right.

>Changing control of a permanent in play doesn't make it leave and
>re-enter play, so the effect shouldnt trigger.
>But the thing is, other players in my group insist that they DO trigger...

The other players in your group are incorrect; they probably all learned this
from the same one person who'd got it wrong, I'm willing to bet. Changing
control of a permanent in play doesn't cause anything to trigger that would
trigger when the permanent comes into play; as you note, the permanent has to
have been in some OTHER zone first to get that to work (and even then the
phased-out zone doesn't count).

Dave
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Jabberwocky <thunderjedi@theforce.bb> wrote:
>"M.G.Palmer" <SatoshiUrotsukidoji@gmx.de> wrote in message
>> I need a little advice from you clever people...
>> The question is: Do "Comes into play" effects trigger when the permament
>> with that ability changes its controller ?
>Generally, no. Note that the creature will be summon sick, however. I can
>think of a couple ways where a change of controller would cause CiP's, but
>the change of controller is not the primary reason for that happening.
>Anyone know what I mean?

Sure - if it's changing controllers because something -else- came into play,
such as a Treachery, that itself had a CIP triggered ability. The Treachery's
CIP ability can trigger off of this, but the stolen creature's can't.

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

 

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Well thanks everybody. I was pretty sure about this but couldnt convince
my fellow players...Now I've got some third-party opinions. That'll show
'em


M.G.Palmer