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LBradH <lbradh@aol.commmono> wrote:
> Basic question here as I'm not too clear on the Madness rule. If I play
> "Obsessive Search" to draw a card, can I also tap U and pay the madness
> cost to draw a second card?
"tap U"? Only permanents can become tapped. Mana is not a permanent.
Obsessive Search
{U}
Instant
Draw a card.
Madness {U} (You may play this card for its madness cost at the time you
discard it from your hand.)
And no.
502.24. Madness
502.24a Madness is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is
a static ability that functions while the card with madness is in a
player's hand. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the
first ability is applied. The phrase "Madness [cost]" means "If a player
would discard this card from his or her hand, that player discards it,
but may remove it from the game instead of putting it into his or her
graveyard" and "When this card is removed from the game this way, until
that player passes next, the player may play it any time he or she could
play an instant as though it were in his or her hand by paying [cost]
rather than paying its mana cost. When the player passes next, he or she
puts this card into his or her graveyard."
502.24b Playing a spell using its madness ability follows the rules for
paying alternative costs in rules 409.1b and 409.1f-h.
Discard
A player discards a card by putting a card from his or her hand into his
or her graveyard. By default, effects that cause a player to discard a
card allow the affected player to choose which card to discard. Some
effects, however, require a random discard or allow another player to
choose which card is discarded.
The option of paying the madness cost requires that you would DISCARD
the card, i.e., put it from your hand to the graveyard. Putting it from
your hand to the stack is not relevant for Madness. Neither is putting
it from the stack to your graveyard.
> If not, help me with how a card such as this one is of any use (i.e. tap U to
> draw a card).
The Madness ability becomes relevant whenever you would discard that
card. For example, suppose you have a Compulsion in play.
Compulsion
{1}{U}
Enchantment
{1}{U}, Discard a card from your hand: Draw a card.
{1}{U}, Sacrifice Compulsion: Draw a card.
If you play its first ability and choose an Obsessive Search as the card
to be discarded, you can use the Madness ability rather than put it
directly in the graveyard.
Or suppose an opponent plays Unhinge on you:
Unhinge
{2}{B}
Sorcery
Target player discards a card from his or her hand.
Draw a card.
You could choose the Obsessive Search as the card to be discarded and
then use the Madness ability.
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Daniel W. Johnson
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