Worship/Zur's Weirding

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2 cards involved:

Worship
{3}{W}
Enchantment
If you control a creature, damage that would reduce your life total to
less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.

Zur's Weirding
{3}{U}
Enchantment
Players play with their hands revealed.
If a player would draw a card, he or she reveals it instead. Then any
other player may pay 2 life. If a player does, put that card into its
owner's graveyard. Otherwise, that player draws the card.

I have Worship out and I control a creature. Now I play Zur's
Weirding. Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life when
an opponent draws a card to have him discard it? If so, Worship should
keep me alive, right?

Thanks.

 

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SulfuricMox <sulfuricmox@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life

No.

Cost
Playing spells and activated abilities requires paying a cost. Most
costs are paid in mana, but they may also include paying life, tapping
or sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on.
A player can't pay a cost unless he or she has the necessary
resources to pay it fully. For example, a player with only 1 life can't
pay a cost of 2 life, and a permanent that's already tapped can't be
tapped to pay a cost. See rule 203, "Mana Cost and Color," and rule 403,
"Activated Abilities."

And while I'm at it:

Damage
Damage can be dealt to creatures and/or players.
Damage dealt to a player is subtracted from his or her life total.
Damage dealt to a creature stays on the permanent until end of
turn, even if it stops being a creature. A creature with damage greater
than or equal to its toughness has been dealt lethal damage and is
destroyed. (See rule 420, "State-Based Effects.") Damage doesn't alter a
creature's toughness. A noncreature permanent isn't affected by damage
(but if it becomes a creature again before the damage is removed, the
creature may be destroyed). During the cleanup step, all damage is
removed from permanents.
Costs and effects that read "lose life" or "pay life" don't deal
damage, and that loss of life can't be prevented or otherwise altered by
damage-prevention effects.
--
Daniel W. Johnson
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http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/
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SulfuricMox wrote:

> 2 cards involved:
>
> Worship
> {3}{W}
> Enchantment
> If you control a creature, damage that would reduce your life total to
> less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.
>
> Zur's Weirding
> {3}{U}
> Enchantment
> Players play with their hands revealed.
> If a player would draw a card, he or she reveals it instead. Then any
> other player may pay 2 life. If a player does, put that card into its
> owner's graveyard. Otherwise, that player draws the card.

Before I even read any further--paying life is not damage. Worship can't
stop you from dying to Zur's Weirding.
>
> I have Worship out and I control a creature. Now I play Zur's
> Weirding. Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life when
> an opponent draws a card to have him discard it?

No. You cannot pay more life than you have.

> If so, Worship should
> keep me alive, right?

Also no. If you were at 2 life, you could pay 2 life and force your
opponent to discard, but it will kill you and Worship won't save you.
>
> Thanks.

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

 

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sulfuricmox@yahoo.com (SulfuricMox) writes:
> Worship
> {3}{W}
> Enchantment
> If you control a creature, damage that would reduce your life total to
> less than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.
>
> Zur's Weirding
> {3}{U}
> Enchantment
> Players play with their hands revealed.
> If a player would draw a card, he or she reveals it instead. Then any
> other player may pay 2 life. If a player does, put that card into its
> owner's graveyard. Otherwise, that player draws the card.
>
> I have Worship out and I control a creature. Now I play Zur's
> Weirding. Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life when
> an opponent draws a card to have him discard it? If so, Worship should
> keep me alive, right?

No, and no.

You can't pay more life than you currently have (the exception being
that you can always pay 0 life).

Even if you could, paying life is not taking damage. Worship only
stops damage from changing your life total as much. It only helps
against combat damage and things that say "damage" on them.

--
Peter C.
Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.

 

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On 28 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, SulfuricMox <sulfuricmox@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Worship 3W Enchantment
> If you control a creature, damage that would reduce your life total to less
> than 1 reduces it to 1 instead.
>
>Zur's Weirding 3U Enchantment
> Players play with their hands revealed. / If a player would draw a card, he
> or she reveals it instead. Then any other player may pay 2 life. If a player
> does, put that card into its owner's graveyard. Otherwise, that player draws
> the card.

Before reading ANY further: life payment is not damage, and Worship can't do
a thing to help you against the Zur's Weirding life payment. If you're at 2
life and pay or lose 2 life, Worship will sit there and do absolutely nothing
at all to stop you from going to 0 life.

Worship only changes what DAMAGE does to your life total.

>I have Worship out and I control a creature. Now I play Zur's
>Weirding. Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life when
>an opponent draws a card to have him discard it?

No, because you do not HAVE 2 life to pay with. You can't ever pay with a
substance you don't actually have.

>If so, Worship should keep me alive, right?

No, again; Worship doesn't help at all with life payment or life loss. It
only helps when DAMAGE would cause your life total to go from "1 or more" to
"0 or less".

Dave
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Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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On 28 Jun 2004 09:44:40 -0700, sulfuricmox@yahoo.com (SulfuricMox)
wrote:

>I have Worship out and I control a creature. Now I play Zur's
>Weirding. Assuming my life total is at 1, can I still pay 2 life when
>an opponent draws a card to have him discard it? If so, Worship should
>keep me alive, right?

Nope. Worship only cares about damage, and "paying life" is not the
same as "damage". Worships' ability cannot help you in this case.