Sylvok/Quirion Explorer facing Mirrodin's Core

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Hello, all!
Suppose I control an active (already able to {T}) Sylvok
Explorer/Quirion Explorer (have identical Oracle text):

Sylvok Explorer
{1}{G}
Creature -- Human Druid
1/1
{T}: Add to your mana pool one mana of any color that a land an opponent
controls could produce.

and my opponent has a Mirrodin's Core with no charge counters on it:

Mirrodin's Core
Land
{T}: Add {1} to your mana pool.
{T}: Put a charge counter on Mirrodin's Core.
{T}, Remove a charge counter from Mirrodin's Core: Add one mana of any
color to your mana pool.

Am I right in saying that my Explorer can produce mana of any color?

Regards,
Arkady.
 
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Arkady Zilberberg <arkadyz1@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello, all!
> Suppose I control an active (already able to {T}) Sylvok
> Explorer/Quirion Explorer (have identical Oracle text):
>
> Sylvok Explorer
> {1}{G}
> Creature -- Human Druid
> 1/1
> {T}: Add to your mana pool one mana of any color that a land an opponent
> controls could produce.
>
> and my opponent has a Mirrodin's Core with no charge counters on it:
>
> Mirrodin's Core
> Land
> {T}: Add {1} to your mana pool.
> {T}: Put a charge counter on Mirrodin's Core.
> {T}, Remove a charge counter from Mirrodin's Core: Add one mana of any
> color to your mana pool.
>
> Am I right in saying that my Explorer can produce mana of any color?

Yes. The third ability can generate mana of any color.

Mana
Mana is the energy used to play spells and is usually produced by lands.
Mana is created by mana abilities (and sometimes by spells), and it can
be used to pay costs immediately or can stay in the player's mana pool.
See rule 406, "Mana Abilities."
Colored mana costs, represented by colored mana symbols, can be
paid only with the appropriate color of mana. Generic mana costs can be
paid with any color of, or with colorless, mana. See rule 104.3.
The spell or ability that adds mana to a mana pool may restrict how
it can be used. An ability might produce mana that can be used only to
play creature spells or only to pay activation costs.
The type of mana a permanent "could produce" is the type of mana
that any ability of that permanent can generate, taking into account any
applicable replacement effects. If the type of mana can't be defined,
there's no type of mana that that permanent could produce. The "type" of
mana is its color, or lack thereof (for colorless mana).

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Arkady Zilberberg <arkadyz1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Suppose I control an active (already able to {T}) Sylvok
>Explorer/Quirion Explorer (have identical Oracle text):
>
>Sylvok Explorer 1G Creature -- Human Druid
>1/1 Tap: Add to your mana pool one mana of any color that a land an opponent
> controls could produce.
>
>and my opponent has a Mirrodin's Core with no charge counters on it:
>
>Mirrodin's Core Land
>Tap: Add 1 to your mana pool. / Tap: Put a charge counter on ~. / Tap,Remove a
> charge counter from ~: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
>
>Am I right in saying that my Explorer can produce mana of any color?

Yes. The opponent's Core has an ability that could produce any color of mana.
(Note that the Core has another ability that could produce colorless mana, as
well, but that this does NOT allow your Explorer to do so - "colorless" isn't
a color.)

The Explorer's ability doesn't say anything about 'could produce if it were
used right this moment' or "could produce if you controlled it' or anything
like that; it looks only at what color(s) of mana the abilities _say_ they
are able to produce, not at whether the land(s) in question are actually
currently untapped, charged up, and ready to fire. So to speak.

Dave
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Arkady Zilberberg sez:

<<
>Hello, all!
>Suppose I control an active (already able to {T}) Sylvok
>Explorer/Quirion Explorer (have identical Oracle text):
>
>>

....however, you get DQ'ed for playing a Quirion Explorer in a T2 tournament...

<<
>Sylvok Explorer
>{1}{G}
>Creature -- Human Druid
>1/1
>{T}: Add to your mana pool one mana of any color that a land an opponent
>controls could produce.
>
>and my opponent has a Mirrodin's Core with no charge counters on it:
>
>Mirrodin's Core
>Land
>{T}: Add {1} to your mana pool.
>{T}: Put a charge counter on Mirrodin's Core.
>{T}, Remove a charge counter from Mirrodin's Core: Add one mana of any
>color to your mana pool.
>
>Am I right in saying that my Explorer can produce mana of any color?
>
>>

Yes, you are.

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economics], then he's going to take the blame when 'the hand' gives him the
finger."
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David DeLaney sez:

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>Yes. The opponent's Core has an ability that could produce any color of mana.
>(Note that the Core has another ability that could produce colorless mana, as
>well, but that this does NOT allow your Explorer to do so - "colorless" isn't
>a color.)

>
>>

I wonder: If "color" was replaced by "type", could it NOW produce colorless?


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Andy Jakcsy, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> David DeLaney sez:
>
> <<
> >Yes. The opponent's Core has an ability that could produce any color of mana.
> >(Note that the Core has another ability that could produce colorless mana, as
> >well, but that this does NOT allow your Explorer to do so - "colorless" isn't
> >a color.)
>
> >
> >>
>
> I wonder: If "color" was replaced by "type", could it NOW produce colorless?

Yes, since colorless is explicitly defined as a valid type. This seems
to be the only difference between "color" and "type" when it comes to
mana, under the new definition of "type".
 
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Andy Jakcsy <djaxmann@aol.computer> wrote:
>David DeLaney sez:
>>Yes. The opponent's Core has an ability that could produce any color of mana.
>>(Note that the Core has another ability that could produce colorless mana, as
>>well, but that this does NOT allow your Explorer to do so - "colorless" isn't
>>a color.)
>
>I wonder: If "color" was replaced by "type", could it NOW produce colorless?

Yes; a Benthic Explorers could get colorless mana by untapping opponent's
tapped Mirrodin Core. Usually, however, colorless mana has no particular
-advantage- over colored mana; I can't think offhand of a situation where
you'd want colorless more, outside of maybe facing a deck with known Drain
Powers or Pygmy Hippos...

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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