Guardian idol and genesis chamber

[Phil]

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Played a game last night in which my oponent asked a question I am not
one hundred percent sure of.

I had in play Genesis chamber and he played Guardian idol.

If he payed the 2 mana for it to become a 2/2 artifact creature until
end of turn does he get a token creature from my Genesis chamber.

We agreed it didn't because become is not the same as put into play,
or is it ??


Thanks

 

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Phil <phil@giltharn.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Played a game last night in which my oponent asked a question I am not
> one hundred percent sure of.
>
> I had in play Genesis chamber and he played Guardian idol.

Genesis Chamber
{2}
Artifact
Whenever a nontoken creature comes into play, if Genesis Chamber is
untapped, that creature's controller puts a 1/1 Myr artifact creature
token into play.

Guardian Idol
{2}
Artifact
Guardian Idol comes into play tapped.
{T}: Add {1} to your mana pool.
{2}: Guardian Idol becomes a 2/2 artifact creature until end of turn.

> If he payed the 2 mana for it to become a 2/2 artifact creature until
> end of turn does he get a token creature from my Genesis chamber.

Comes into Play
A permanent comes into play when the card or token representing it is
moved into the in-play zone. A permanent whose type or controller
changes doesn't "come into play."
Permanents come into play untapped and under the control of whoever
put them into play.
When a permanent comes into play, first apply any replacement
effects, then apply continuous effects, then check to determine if the
current form of the permanent generates any triggered abilities.
Example: If an instruction causes something to come into play tapped, it
isn't put into play untapped and then tapped.

No. It didn't come into play.

> We agreed it didn't because become is not the same as put into play,
> or is it ??

Indeed.
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phil@giltharn.demon.co.uk (Phil) writes:
> Played a game last night in which my oponent asked a question I am not
> one hundred percent sure of.
>
> I had in play Genesis chamber and he played Guardian idol.
>
> If he payed the 2 mana for it to become a 2/2 artifact creature until
> end of turn does he get a token creature from my Genesis chamber.

Nope.

> We agreed it didn't because become is not the same as put into play,
> or is it ??

You agreed correctly. Something that triggers on things coming into
play means exactly that: it has to come into play from somewhere
else. Playing the Idol's ability just changes how that particular
permanent looks—nothing is coming into play.

--
Peter C.
"... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror,
and you would not have been informed."

 

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Phil <phil@giltharn.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I had in play Genesis chamber and he played Guardian idol.
>
>If he payed the 2 mana for it to become a 2/2 artifact creature until
>end of turn does he get a token creature from my Genesis chamber.

No. No creature came into play (or left play). A noncreature permanent,
already in play, turned itself into a creature permanent, still in play.

>We agreed it didn't because become is not the same as put into play,
>or is it ??

It is not. No card moved from some other zone to the in-play zone; no token
creature was created in the in-play zone. So nothing came into play.

Dave
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