Silly Question: Aladdin's Lamp

[peter]

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***
Aladdin's Lamp {10}
Artifact
Revised Rare
- {X}, {T}: The next time you would draw a card this turn, instead
look at the top X cards of your library and draw one of them. Shuffle
the rest and put them on the bottom of your library. X can't be 0.
***
217.2d If an effect puts two or more cards on the top or bottom of a
library at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in
any order. That library's owner doesn't reveal the order in which the
cards go into his or her library.
***

So, you shuffle the rest of the cards, then put them on the bottom of
your library in any order?

Peter

 

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knucklehead000@yahoo.com (Peter) writes:
> ***
> Aladdin's Lamp {10}
> Artifact
> Revised Rare
> - {X}, {T}: The next time you would draw a card this turn, instead
> look at the top X cards of your library and draw one of them. Shuffle
> the rest and put them on the bottom of your library. X can't be 0.
> ***
> 217.2d If an effect puts two or more cards on the top or bottom of a
> library at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in
> any order. That library's owner doesn't reveal the order in which the
> cards go into his or her library.
> ***
>
> So, you shuffle the rest of the cards, then put them on the bottom of
> your library in any order?

Well, I could see how you might interpret it that way, but I think
that any reasonable judge would interpret it that the cards go on the
bottom of the library in a shuffled order.

I suppose that it might be clearer if the Oracle text explicitly
stated something like "put them on the bottom of your library, and
shuffle just those cards keeping them on the bottom of your library",
or maybe just simply "put them on the bottom of your library in a
shuffled order". But the text as it is is probably clear enough, and
can just be interpreted as the card overriding the rules.

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Peter, worshipped by llamas the world over, wrote...
> ***
> Aladdin's Lamp {10}
> Artifact
> Revised Rare
> - {X}, {T}: The next time you would draw a card this turn, instead
> look at the top X cards of your library and draw one of them. Shuffle
> the rest and put them on the bottom of your library. X can't be 0.
> ***
> 217.2d If an effect puts two or more cards on the top or bottom of a
> library at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in
> any order. That library's owner doesn't reveal the order in which the
> cards go into his or her library.
> ***
>
> So, you shuffle the rest of the cards, then put them on the bottom of
> your library in any order?

No. The cards take precedence over the rules; in this case, Aladdin's
Lamp is making an exception to 217.2d.

Why does AL have that goofy clause in there in the first place, you ask?
Probably because that's how it worked waaaaay back in Arabian Nights,
and WotC has usually been reluctant to functionally change cards without
good reason. (I say usually because there have been a few glaring
exceptions - Raging River and a few other really old cards have been
through a *lot*.)

 

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On 15 Jul 2004 08:57:42 -0700, Peter <knucklehead000@yahoo.com> wrote:
>***
>Aladdin's Lamp {10}
>Artifact
>Revised Rare
>- {X}, {T}: The next time you would draw a card this turn, instead
>look at the top X cards of your library and draw one of them. Shuffle
>the rest and put them on the bottom of your library. X can't be 0.
>***
>217.2d If an effect puts two or more cards on the top or bottom of a
>library at the same time, the owner of those cards may arrange them in
>any order. That library's owner doesn't reveal the order in which the
>cards go into his or her library.
>***

And a card can specifically override a rule. Aladdin's Lamp overrides the
"may arrange them in any order" part; a couple other cards override the "the
owner of those cards" part by specifying that the controller of the spell
/ ability arranges them, which could be different. Most everything that puts
multiple cards on top or bottom of a library follows the rule by default, but
the Lamp specifies otherwise.

>So, you shuffle the rest of the cards, then put them on the bottom of
>your library in any order?

No, you shuffle them, then without changing the order put them on the bottom.
The Lamp's saying you -don't- get to choose the order like usual.

Dave
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[peter]

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> I suppose that it might be clearer if the Oracle text explicitly
> stated something like "put them on the bottom of your library, and
> shuffle just those cards keeping them on the bottom of your library",
> or maybe just simply "put them on the bottom of your library in a
> shuffled order". But the text as it is is probably clear enough, and
> can just be interpreted as the card overriding the rules.

I honestly thought it was an oversight, and you'd be able to shuffle,
then replace in any order, though I figured the intention was clearly
to put them in the shuffled order.

A simple "put them on the bottom of your library *in that order*."
would be extra explicit, I think.

Like I said, it's a silly question; not important, just curious.
Peter