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Dell Outlet prices are higher than new -- what's the deal?

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December 30, 2004 2:28:54 PM

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I've been pricing laptops and servers the last couple months and found that
every time I can get a *new* system from dell.com with more features/newer
features/etc. for a *lower* price than outlet.dell.com. I used to buy
*every* Dell for our company through the outlet because I could typically
save at least a hundred bucks, but it looks like they've priced themselves
out of the market (for me at least).

Anybody have any insight as to why?
Anonymous
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December 30, 2004 4:51:38 PM

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Paul wrote:
> I've been pricing laptops and servers the last couple months and found that
> every time I can get a *new* system from dell.com with more features/newer
> features/etc. for a *lower* price than outlet.dell.com. I used to buy
> *every* Dell for our company through the outlet because I could typically
> save at least a hundred bucks, but it looks like they've priced themselves
> out of the market (for me at least).
>
> Anybody have any insight as to why?

I think it could be because typically a real outlet store has models
that are no longer popular at the main stores, or models that have been
repaired, returned, etc...

I just priced my laptop there that I paid almost an even $1000 for, its
just under $100 less there now.

Dell often has sales when they release new models, so that probably has
something to do with it as well.
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December 31, 2004 11:32:23 AM

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Paul wrote:
> I've been pricing laptops and servers the last couple months and found that
> every time I can get a *new* system from dell.com with more features/newer
> features/etc. for a *lower* price than outlet.dell.com. I used to buy
> *every* Dell for our company through the outlet because I could typically
> save at least a hundred bucks, but it looks like they've priced themselves
> out of the market (for me at least).
>
> Anybody have any insight as to why?
>
>
>
Less overheads!!
December 31, 2004 12:40:47 PM

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because unsuspecting buyers would think an "outlet" would offer lower prices
and not check around.

you mistake dell for a well organized company. dell is so screwed up as a
company that the outlet store, peripherals and outlet divisions don't know
or care what the other does or what its pricing is. they might as well be
seperate companies.

dell has a reputation for screwing its customers so just add this one to the
long list of ways it does it.

"Paul" <paule-nospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:10t8b6f4hkjn64@news.supernews.com...
> I've been pricing laptops and servers the last couple months and found
that
> every time I can get a *new* system from dell.com with more features/newer
> features/etc. for a *lower* price than outlet.dell.com. I used to buy
> *every* Dell for our company through the outlet because I could typically
> save at least a hundred bucks, but it looks like they've priced themselves
> out of the market (for me at least).
>
> Anybody have any insight as to why?
>
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
December 31, 2004 2:06:26 PM

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"hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote in message
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> because unsuspecting buyers would think an "outlet" would offer lower
> prices
> and not check around.
>
> you mistake dell for a well organized company. dell is so screwed up as a
> company that the outlet store, peripherals and outlet divisions don't know
> or care what the other does or what its pricing is. they might as well be
> seperate companies.
>
> dell has a reputation for screwing its customers so just add this one to
> the
> long list of ways it does it.
>

That's just ridiculous. Sometimes the sales on new equipment make them
cheaper than refurbs. Often older generation equipment is high at the
outlet, because it was high when it was new.

Does Dell come to your house and force you to buy from the outlet? If not,
why do you care.

Of course, it's hard to respect someone that thinks a Hummer is appropriate
transportation. They make me laugh out loud every time I see a soccer mom
driving one.

Tom
December 31, 2004 2:55:22 PM

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"Tom Scales" <tom@scalesfamily.com> wrote in message
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>
> "hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote in message
> news:0MSdneweMKZ3-UjcRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> > because unsuspecting buyers would think an "outlet" would offer lower
> > prices
> > and not check around.
> >
> > you mistake dell for a well organized company. dell is so screwed up as
a
> > company that the outlet store, peripherals and outlet divisions don't
know
> > or care what the other does or what its pricing is. they might as well
be
> > seperate companies.
> >
> > dell has a reputation for screwing its customers so just add this one to
> > the
> > long list of ways it does it.
> >
>
> That's just ridiculous. Sometimes the sales on new equipment make them
> cheaper than refurbs. Often older generation equipment is high at the
> outlet, because it was high when it was new.
>
> Does Dell come to your house and force you to buy from the outlet? If
not,
> why do you care.
>
> Of course, it's hard to respect someone that thinks a Hummer is
appropriate
> transportation. They make me laugh out loud every time I see a soccer mom
> driving one.
>
> Tom


Then don't call it an "outlet". Call it what it is, "Dell Overpriced
Returned Krap". It is a new website opportunity... www.dell.DORK.com
Of course, that wouldn't lead to many sales to unsuspecting buyers.

Sounds like you'd be a frequent Dell DORK customer!

BTW, I've picked things bigger than you out of my front grille! What kinda
girly man car you drivin'? A pink Probe? hahaha...
Anonymous
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December 31, 2004 3:51:37 PM

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"hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote in message
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>

> BTW, I've picked things bigger than you out of my front grille! What
> kinda
> girly man car you drivin'? A pink Probe? hahaha...
>
>

Yeah, like a 12 year old owns a Hummer.....
Anonymous
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December 31, 2004 6:11:44 PM

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And substitute any other brand name for dell. Does anybody know of a name-brand
computer company that gives any respect to its consumer customers?

.... Ben Myers

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 09:40:47 -0500, "hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote:

>because unsuspecting buyers would think an "outlet" would offer lower prices
>and not check around.
>
>you mistake dell for a well organized company. dell is so screwed up as a
>company that the outlet store, peripherals and outlet divisions don't know
>or care what the other does or what its pricing is. they might as well be
>seperate companies.
>
>dell has a reputation for screwing its customers so just add this one to the
>long list of ways it does it.
>
>"Paul" <paule-nospam@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:10t8b6f4hkjn64@news.supernews.com...
>> I've been pricing laptops and servers the last couple months and found
>that
>> every time I can get a *new* system from dell.com with more features/newer
>> features/etc. for a *lower* price than outlet.dell.com. I used to buy
>> *every* Dell for our company through the outlet because I could typically
>> save at least a hundred bucks, but it looks like they've priced themselves
>> out of the market (for me at least).
>>
>> Anybody have any insight as to why?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
December 31, 2004 6:18:05 PM

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Ben Myers wrote:
> And substitute any other brand name for dell. Does anybody know of a name-brand
> computer company that gives any respect to its consumer customers?

PalmOne does.
- --
David Wade Hagar AKA Cyclops

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Anonymous
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December 31, 2004 6:32:29 PM

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hummer wrote:
> Then don't call it an "outlet". Call it what it is, "Dell Overpriced
> Returned Krap". It is a new website opportunity... www.dell.DORK.com
> Of course, that wouldn't lead to many sales to unsuspecting buyers.
>
> Sounds like you'd be a frequent Dell DORK customer!
>
> BTW, I've picked things bigger than you out of my front grille! What kinda
> girly man car you drivin'? A pink Probe? hahaha...

Do be quiet? Please!?
- --
David Wade Hagar AKA Cyclops

http://members.cox.net/dwhagar
http://www.livejournal.com/users/dwhagar
http://genius-of-lunacy.blogspot.com/

"It's sick, but it serves a purpose." - Bill Cosby
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Anonymous
a b D Laptop
December 31, 2004 10:42:11 PM

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Methinks he doth protest too much. About Hummers, that is. Dell computers,
too, when you think about it. "Let the buyer beware." Translation: Shop around
before buying... Ben Myers

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:55:22 -0500, "hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote:

>
>"Tom Scales" <tom@scalesfamily.com> wrote in message
>news:o KeBd.6003$7N4.218@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "hummer" <hummer@4wheeler.com> wrote in message
>> news:0MSdneweMKZ3-UjcRVn-iw@comcast.com...
>> > because unsuspecting buyers would think an "outlet" would offer lower
>> > prices
>> > and not check around.
>> >
>> > you mistake dell for a well organized company. dell is so screwed up as
>a
>> > company that the outlet store, peripherals and outlet divisions don't
>know
>> > or care what the other does or what its pricing is. they might as well
>be
>> > seperate companies.
>> >
>> > dell has a reputation for screwing its customers so just add this one to
>> > the
>> > long list of ways it does it.
>> >
>>
>> That's just ridiculous. Sometimes the sales on new equipment make them
>> cheaper than refurbs. Often older generation equipment is high at the
>> outlet, because it was high when it was new.
>>
>> Does Dell come to your house and force you to buy from the outlet? If
>not,
>> why do you care.
>>
>> Of course, it's hard to respect someone that thinks a Hummer is
>appropriate
>> transportation. They make me laugh out loud every time I see a soccer mom
>> driving one.
>>
>> Tom
>
>
>Then don't call it an "outlet". Call it what it is, "Dell Overpriced
>Returned Krap". It is a new website opportunity... www.dell.DORK.com
>Of course, that wouldn't lead to many sales to unsuspecting buyers.
>
>Sounds like you'd be a frequent Dell DORK customer!
>
>BTW, I've picked things bigger than you out of my front grille! What kinda
>girly man car you drivin'? A pink Probe? hahaha...
>
>
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
January 1, 2005 1:12:06 AM

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ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote:

>Methinks he doth protest too much. About Hummers, that is. Dell computers,
>too, when you think about it. "Let the buyer beware." Translation: Shop around
>before buying... Ben Myers

Hummer obviously flunked Econ 101, or he'd know a) how "outlet"
systems work [I'd be willing to bet that the Dell "outlet" on
E-bay has no connection, other than a license to bid on and sell
surplus Dell computers, with Dell itself] and b) the laws of
supply and demand and buy low sell high.

As an outlet, they operate on supply and demand. Obviously, they
guessed wrong when the bid on the computers Hummer was looking
at, and can't afford the loss they'd have to take trying to match
a current deal Dell itself is offering.
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
January 1, 2005 10:59:08 AM

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Ogden,
Actually I got this Dim 8400 on eBay. It was through a re-seller. Brand
new sealed in the box and $400 cheaper than anything I could price through
the Dell site, including the large business section where I can go as an
employee of Ford's. It's even warranted through Dell. The only thing I can
figure is that it has the 3.0 processor which I don't see offered on the
8400 anymore. Just don't ask about the clone I bought on eBay from Dollar
Computers, I should have had my head examined to buy from this company, the
name says it all.
Paul

"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8u4ct0trib9uhrp685mtl6133kgpsg6e4b@4ax.com...
> ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote:
>
>>Methinks he doth protest too much. About Hummers, that is. Dell
>>computers,
>>too, when you think about it. "Let the buyer beware." Translation: Shop
>>around
>>before buying... Ben Myers
>
> Hummer obviously flunked Econ 101, or he'd know a) how "outlet"
> systems work [I'd be willing to bet that the Dell "outlet" on
> E-bay has no connection, other than a license to bid on and sell
> surplus Dell computers, with Dell itself] and b) the laws of
> supply and demand and buy low sell high.
>
> As an outlet, they operate on supply and demand. Obviously, they
> guessed wrong when the bid on the computers Hummer was looking
> at, and can't afford the loss they'd have to take trying to match
> a current deal Dell itself is offering.
> --
> OJ III
> [Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
> Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
January 1, 2005 4:03:45 PM

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"Paul Schilter" <paulschilter@comcast dot net> wrote:

>Ogden,
> Actually I got this Dim 8400 on eBay. It was through a re-seller. Brand
>new sealed in the box and $400 cheaper than anything I could price through
>the Dell site, including the large business section where I can go as an
>employee of Ford's. It's even warranted through Dell. The only thing I can
>figure is that it has the 3.0 processor which I don't see offered on the
>8400 anymore. Just don't ask about the clone I bought on eBay from Dollar
>Computers, I should have had my head examined to buy from this company, the
>name says it all.

I hadn't intended to write a textbook, just to make a general
comment. Whatever the relationship between an E-Bay or other
venue outlet center with Dell, they will operate as an
independent profit center. Buying Dell's surplus, generally I
suspect on bids themselves, for $X, hoping to be able to sell
them for at least $Y, and thus making up to $Z net profit before
expenses.

Under the law of supply and demand, if Dell itself is able to
sell a comparable or better system for a spell at $Q, which is $P
less than $Y, the outlet will have to reduce their price or their
stock of surplus Dells won't sell. Worse, if that $Q pricing of
Dell's is less than $X, the outlet is in deep kimchee and facing
a serious loss, depending on how many computers they bought from
Dell at $X.

You obviously caught a bargain, and that your savings was as much
as $400 seems to show that in this case the outlet's buyer
guessed right when he bought that batch of 8400s and made the
outlet company a net profit.

In the situation Hummer described, the outlet guessed wrong, and
right now the buyer involved is probably gulping Maaloxes and
Tylenol like Tic-Tacs.
--
OJ III
[Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
January 1, 2005 4:03:46 PM

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"Ogden Johnson III" <oj3usmc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tiodt09v4tdrq89dk5cudlmbfo9cj6nknb@4ax.com...
> "Paul Schilter" <paulschilter@comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>Ogden,
>> Actually I got this Dim 8400 on eBay. It was through a re-seller.
>> Brand
>>new sealed in the box and $400 cheaper than anything I could price through
>>the Dell site, including the large business section where I can go as an
>>employee of Ford's. It's even warranted through Dell. The only thing I can
>>figure is that it has the 3.0 processor which I don't see offered on the
>>8400 anymore. Just don't ask about the clone I bought on eBay from Dollar
>>Computers, I should have had my head examined to buy from this company,
>>the
>>name says it all.
>
> I hadn't intended to write a textbook, just to make a general
> comment. Whatever the relationship between an E-Bay or other
> venue outlet center with Dell, they will operate as an
> independent profit center. Buying Dell's surplus, generally I
> suspect on bids themselves, for $X, hoping to be able to sell
> them for at least $Y, and thus making up to $Z net profit before
> expenses.
>
> Under the law of supply and demand, if Dell itself is able to
> sell a comparable or better system for a spell at $Q, which is $P
> less than $Y, the outlet will have to reduce their price or their
> stock of surplus Dells won't sell. Worse, if that $Q pricing of
> Dell's is less than $X, the outlet is in deep kimchee and facing
> a serious loss, depending on how many computers they bought from
> Dell at $X.
>
> You obviously caught a bargain, and that your savings was as much
> as $400 seems to show that in this case the outlet's buyer
> guessed right when he bought that batch of 8400s and made the
> outlet company a net profit.
>
> In the situation Hummer described, the outlet guessed wrong, and
> right now the buyer involved is probably gulping Maaloxes and
> Tylenol like Tic-Tacs.
> --
> OJ III
> [Email to Yahoo address may be burned before reading.
> Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]


Yeah. There's a guy selling (refurbed) Dimension 4400's up there ( "in
sealed box") for prices that are too high for P4 2GHz machines. He'd best
hope he moves whatever stock he has quickly, as he's already upside down.


Stew
Anonymous
a b D Laptop
January 1, 2005 8:46:23 PM

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Let me guess. PCChips motherboard with integrated SiS graphics. Computer case
made of metal scarcely thicker than aluminum foil. Totally unknown brand of
CD/DVD device. Dollar keyboard and mouse. Samsung hard drive. Memory produced
at a factory in Outer Mongolia. A CPU is a CPU is a CPU, altho some are faster
than others.

TigerDirect has long sold this sort of schlock. I end up "repairing" them by
replacing the motherboard, adding a graphics card if required, replacing
whatever else is chintzy and likely to break, then readjusting Windows to see
all the replaced hardware. This usually happens when there is a catastrophic
hardware failure after a year or 18 months. Most often, a fan inside the case
stops turning, the resulting high termperature fries something inside.

.... Ben Myers

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:59:08 -0500, "Paul Schilter" <paulschilter@comcast dot
net> wrote:

>Ogden,
> Actually I got this Dim 8400 on eBay. It was through a re-seller. Brand
>new sealed in the box and $400 cheaper than anything I could price through
>the Dell site, including the large business section where I can go as an
>employee of Ford's. It's even warranted through Dell. The only thing I can
>figure is that it has the 3.0 processor which I don't see offered on the
>8400 anymore. Just don't ask about the clone I bought on eBay from Dollar
>Computers, I should have had my head examined to buy from this company, the
>name says it all.
>Paul
>
!