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Hello.

What's the difference between cards that say "At the beginning of your
upkeep Do A" and cards that say "During your upkeep Do B". Do these two
effects "stack" so B gets done first...or do the effects go off sequentially
so A gets done first?

 

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Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> What's the difference between cards that say "At the beginning of your
> upkeep Do A" and cards that say "During your upkeep Do B". Do these two
> effects "stack" so B gets done first...or do the effects go off sequentially
> so A gets done first?

200.2. Use the Oracle(tm) card reference when determining a card's
wording. It can be found at www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/oracle.

If you check the Oracle, you will probably find that both cards you
mention say "At the beginning of your upkeep, ....", and will therefore
be covered by rule 410.3:

410.3. If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player
received priority, the abilities controlled by the active player go on
the stack first, in any order he or she chooses, then those controlled
by the opponent go on the stack in any order that opponent chooses. Then
players once again check for and resolve state-based effects until none
are generated, then abilities that triggered during this process go on
the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based effects are
generated and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets
priority.

I already checked the Oracle for the phrase "during your upkeep", and
only found a bunch of activated abilities with the restriction "Play
this ability only during your upkeep." Such an ability could be played
while an "At the beginning of your upkeep" ability is on the stack or
after it resolves.
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:04:45 GMT, Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:
>What's the difference between cards that say "At the beginning of your
>upkeep Do A" and cards that say "During your upkeep Do B".

Almost invariably, the latter are Older Wordings. Currently, "during" in
Oracle wordings is used in "Play this ability only during...", "doesn't untap
during your untap step", and some cards where it has the ordinary English
meaning. "During your upkeep, do B" was the wording for "phase abilities",
specifically "upkeep abilities", a type of ability that hasn't existed since
1999 in the rules; almost all older cards that used that wording got
updated to be ordinary upkeep-triggered abilities. (The remaining few got
updated to be "Play this ability only during your upkeep".)

>Do these two
>effects "stack" so B gets done first...or do the effects go off sequentially
>so A gets done first?

Since both are now "At the beginning of your upkeep, do ...", they go on the
stack at the same time, and active player (since that's who their controller
is, since they say "your upkeep") chooses their order.

Do you have a question about _specific_ cards? If so, you probably want to
look at their current Oracle wording first, not just read the wording printed
on the cards...

Dave
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Jimmy Wong wrote:

> Hello.
>
> What's the difference between cards that say "At the beginning of your
> upkeep Do A" and cards that say "During your upkeep Do B".

The age of the card. "During your upkeep Do B" is obsolete wording
and every card that has it printed on it has errata that changes
it (usually to "At the beginning of your upkeep do B"). No card
currently says "During your upkeep Do B" in its Oracle wording.

> Do these two
> effects "stack" so B gets done first...or do the effects go off
> sequentially so A gets done first?

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"