Intel vs. AMD, Ford vs. Chevy

I swear you fools are worse than hillbillys arguing over whether Fords or Chevys are better for hauling manuer. For crying out loud! Let me propose this to you freaks: If you were given a computer and told nothing about the insides of it, after HOURS UPON HOURS OF USING IT NONE OF YOU COULD TELL WHAT CHIP IS INSIDE OF IT, whether AMD or Intel! I mean, all I hear is insults and repetitive nonsense. AMDs and Intels both have their benefits and shortcomings, but I never actually hear that from most of you. You Intelophiles seem especially bad. You say Intels are great and all woo hoo and [-peep-], but never say whats bad with them (not their processors as much as their business practices), and won't admit for some strange reason. I don't see any problems with AMD processers. As long as there is a frickin heat sink on it that isn't installed by someone who doesn't know how to do it, the processer will run fine. I have a Duron system and there have been no heat problems, no instability issues, no incompatibility issues, and no other issues. Here is one thing though, MY INTEL 440BX MOTHERBOARD IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH WINDOWS 2000!!! Hmmm, what does that say?

FUGGER and AMDMeltdown, you say AMD chips require patches and have huge incompatibility issues. WHAT ARE THEY? Sure, there are BIOS upgrades and motherboard drivers, but Intel products have those too. About patches to work properly, the Pentium 1.13 gHz needed a micro code insertion into the processer that disabled parts of it to even get it to work! Oh, what a great that chip is. Hell, atleast AMD tested their chipsets before releasing them. Atleast AMD saw the problem with the 760 chipset noise issue which held it back several weeks, unlike Intel releasing the 820 MTH without adequate testing. Talk about instability issues...

Intel chips are good too. Unfortunately my system is incompatible with Windows 2000 ACPI and always turns off and on for no reason, that isn't Intels direct fault, but does have some to do with the age of the system. But for all I can think, I cannot see any problems with AMD chips. The first system I built for myself was an AMD system because I read and read and read throughout the whole internet and it did come out to be the best possible solution for whats out there. I saved over $100-$200 building this system over an equivically capable Intel system. And this system will last me longer and allow for better, faster, cheaper upgrades. How can you beat that?

The main reason why I think AMD is a better solution for computing is because of the superior price/performance ratio they hold over Intel's head. More hardware enthusiasts and computer nuts choose AMD over intel. If you look at polls even on this forum it seems like there are 2-3 times as many AMD users as Intel users. There IS a reason for that, and it isn't AMD being ruthless and screwing them out of money like some of you think...

I do own stock in AMD, but haven't for long and only decided to do so because they are going to get bigger and give Intel a harder time, and I thought it would be a good move. Unfortunately that hasn't been the case, but whatever . I don't think AMD is better because I own stock in them, I own stock in them because I think they are better. I think its only fair to say that taking this position and all.

Well, hopefully, but probably not, all you knuckleheads will grow up and take your thumb out of your mouths.

FORD-Found On Road Dead........dont remember the one for chevy.

All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!

Yeah, I neglected to mention in my first message that both Fords and Chevys are pieces of [-peep-], while AMDs and Intel are not. Oh well. I was thinking about buying more, but I'm pretty much all in already (the whole market nowadays has been a bunch of high powered diarrhea), but not just in AMD. Those two to make me wonder about them. Why such the hard-on for Intel?

Ksoth, your clueless dude.
For the time it took you to write all that crap, you should have taken a minute to read thru a few posts on this forum. but then again your clueless and went this route. your blind to what you believe. GG

There are no incompatabilities?
Thermal protection is not an issue?

Your just a AMD lemming like the rest, standing over on your soap box repeating the crap the guy before you said. funny thing is you got shot down like him too.

I love how clueless you are, I can poke my pointy stick at you and you squeel like a pig.

Maybe instead of just blurting out nonsense, you should take your time and address every issue that I said in which you disagree with, and explain your point of view and actually try to convince people you are right.

You damn well know that I am right when I say if I give you "unknown" systems, you could not tell what the hell kind of chip is inside of it. I have read the posts. Most problems with AMD systems are not because of a crappy chip, but usually a component problem that can easily be fixed. That isn't AMD's fault. And you know what, I am not saying these things based on problems from other people I read. I say these things based on my own experience, and actual reviews and tests I read on both Intel and AMD products. Do you know why you see more questions about AMD products than Intel products? Because more people on this site use AMD chips.

Don't you think you could have come up with something a little more unique than calling me clueless 3 times? [-peep-] dude, mix it up a bit. How did I get shot down and by who? First, you can't poke me with a stick because we are conversing over a computer. Second, that was a pretty lame attempt to insult me, you caca poopoo stinky head.

Again, actually tell me these huge incompatibility issues and patches reuired for AMD chips. My Intel product is incompatible and unstable in Windows 2000. What do you have to say about that? My brother and freind both bought new compouters. BOTH of them chose AMD systems after what they read, and they are both extremely knowledgeable when it comes to computing. There IS a reason for that. They both had Intel systems (hell my brother had like 4!) before so they were not biased like you so love to say. Both of their AMD systems run flawlessly. But my brothers Intel PIII 600 system went dead after about a year or so. Is Intel shitty because of that?

"We put the <i>fun</i> back into fundamentalist dogma!"

Now this is a classic! "caca poopoo stinky head"?! ROFLMAO. Despite being lured into the kiddie sandbox, your points are well taken.

You asked Fugger for facts!

He will return Fabricated Fugger Facts (FFF for short).

Notice how when you do not agree with his point of view, he starts name calling and then has a tantrum.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... haven’t we heard your "clueless" insults before? Anyone who tells you how stupid your AMD rants are gets the same response. You, Fugger, epitomize the word clueless. For humanities sake please don't ever procreate.

There are barely any incompatability problems anymore. get over it

Thermal protection might matter to you, but to us people who can install a heatsink right on the first try, we couldn't care less

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"648kb is all the space anyone would ever need!"

Bill Gates, 1980s

All of my Fords died do to catastophic heat-related engine failure. One had an almost imperceptable head gasket leak and lost all it's coolant while I was on a long drive. The other had a bad radiator cap I think, couldn't tell you except that it lost all it's coolant on a long trip and cracked the block. Both were checked within one day before they died and had sufficient fluid. None of my GM cars have had these types of problems, but have instead been retired after long use do to age. So I guess I could say that Fords lack sufficient thermal protection!
BTW, BOTH cars lit up the HOT light AFTER the coolant was gone!

Suicide is painless...........

I'll tell you one thing: Ford made a good engine back in the 60's, the 427! That's what I got in my Cobra, and man, it's great. not very many problems.

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"648kb is all the space anyone would ever need!"

Bill Gates, 1980s

On the subject of Intel vs. AMD I would like to put in that it seems simply clear that, as corporate entities, both companies are flawed. Such is the nature of big business, I imagine. On the basis of performance and pricetag, the only basis which matters to the consumer, it seems that AMD has the current edge. I would say that Intel has proven itself capable of making very durable and efficient chips and chipsets in the past, but it seems that the company as a whole has become more interested in turning a profit margin than earning the respect of its' clients. As for AMD, each successive generation of processor seems to become more competent and advanced than the last, which seems like a good trend to my perhaps uneducated mind. There is the issue of heat, but components such as case fans and heatsinks are nothing new, and seem to solve this problem quite well, even to the point of allowing for the adjustment of clock rates. If anything, I think that Intel and AMD proponents might as well agree that competition can onyl be good for both sides, in driving prices down and promoting the advancement of better products. If it weren't for competition from AMD, who knows how situations like the one with the 820 chipset may have been handled? If Intel had no competition, they would not have much reason to do better. I think the fact that Intel is feeling AMD's bite on their marketshare will only help to clean up their act, and perhaps we will see a new Pentium 4 architecture that works wonderfully well with the more cost-effective DDR memory?

As for the issue of Chevy vs. Ford, I say buy Nissan. Very well-engineered automobiles that have come a long way from being compact economy cars. The Maxima's V6 is a wonder to behold.

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU I HAVE THE EXACT BOARD I DONT HAVE A PROB QUIT SMOKE THE WEED YER SMOKEIN AND SMOKE THE STUFF I AM ALMOST MAKES AMD LOOK LIKE A DECENT PRODUCT NOT!!!

SPUD

TOMS GOT ISSUES MUST NOT BE GETTING SOME, CEPT FROM THE CHAIRMEN OF AMD

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Spud on 03/07/01 04:22 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

I think fugger and Pumba are the same person. What's up with the pig stuff and the GG?

Nobody else GG's..

"I think I brained my damage"

430HP is good enough for me!

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"648kb is all the space anyone would ever need!"

Bill Gates, 1980s