Regeneration and Combat Damage

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HI!

Yesterday we had an situation with a lot of discussions.

If an creature attacks, and something like an incinerate kills the creature
but it regenerates than, does it deal combat damage?

I think about regenartion taps the creature so it isn'T any longer an legal
attacker isn'it`?

Thanks

 

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Boas Enkler wrote:

> HI!
>
> Yesterday we had an situation with a lot of discussions.
>
> If an creature attacks, and something like an incinerate kills the
> creature but it regenerates

Well, if you Incinerate it, it *can't* regenerate. Says so right
on Incinerate. Let's make it Lightning Blast instead.

> than, does it deal combat damage?

No, because when a creature is regenerated, it is removed from combat.
>
> I think about regenartion taps the creature so it isn'T any longer an
> legal attacker isn'it`?

No. Regeneration *does* tap the the creature, but that doesn't
affect the combat status of creature already declared as an attacker
(or blocker) in slightest--in fact, if it's a declared attacker, it
will normally *already* be tapped, since you have to tap attackers
when you declare them. That fact that the rules state specifically
that it is removed from combat is what removes it from combat.
>
> Thanks

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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:31:20 +0200, Boas Enkler <info@it-design.biz> wrote:
>HI!
>
>Yesterday we had an situation with a lot of discussions.
>
>If an creature attacks, and something like an incinerate kills the creature
>but it regenerates than, does it deal combat damage?

Depends.

Was combat damage already on the stack at the time it used the regen
shield? If so, then the damage will get dealt as assigned.

Was combat damage not on the stack yet? If so, using the regen shield taps
the creature, removes all damage from it, and _removes it from combat_, so
it won't get to put any combat damage onto the stack AFTER that.

>I think about regenartion taps the creature so it isn'T any longer an legal
>attacker isn'it`?

?? If being tapped made an attacker illegal, most attacks would never be able
to go through. Tapping or untapping does not, in any way, remove an attacker
or blocker from combat.

Now another part of USING a regen shield does remove the creature from combat,
but as above that only stops combat damage if this happens before combat
damage goes onto the stack.

Dave
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David DeLaney <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:31:20 +0200, Boas Enkler <info@it-design.biz> wrote:
>>HI!
>>
>>Yesterday we had an situation with a lot of discussions.
>>
>>If an creature attacks, and something like an incinerate kills the creature
>>but it regenerates than, does it deal combat damage?
>
>Depends.

(And, as others pointed out, Incinerate specifically disallows regeneration,
so make it a Lightning Bolt instead for the rest of your answer to make sense.)

Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Chris Mattern wrote:

> Boas Enkler wrote:
>
>> HI!
>>
>> Yesterday we had an situation with a lot of discussions.
>>
>> If an creature attacks, and something like an incinerate kills the
>> creature but it regenerates
>
> Well, if you Incinerate it, it *can't* regenerate. Says so right
> on Incinerate. Let's make it Lightning Blast instead.
>
>> than, does it deal combat damage?
>
> No, because when a creature is regenerated, it is removed from combat.

Combat damage already on the stack will resolve as normal though.
--

David