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In news:419b8aa4$1_2@news.tm.net.my,
The Dude <thedude@thedudelives.com> rambled:
>
> Ken Briscoe wrote:
>> In news:419b7fd4$1_1@news.tm.net.my,
>> The Dude <thedude@thedudelives.com> rambled:
>>>
>>> sorry for asking this, but if a token creature dies, does it go into
>>> a graveyard?? or does it dissapear to token creature hell?
>>
>> Yes, to both questions. If a token permanent is
>> destroyed/sacrificed/whatever, it is indeed put into the graveyard.
>> (This triggers all applicable "When X is put into the graveyard from
>> play..." effects). Then, the next time State-Based Effects are
>> checked (which is the next time any player gets priority), the token
>> dissappears into "token creature hell" - that is, it "dissolves", and
>> is no longer in the game. (I can't think of any, but this should
>> trigger any "When X is removed from the game from the graveyard..."
>> abilities.)
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>
> thanks! heres a few other q's.
>
> 1) so if i have 2 'disciple of the vault's, an atog, a 'nuisance
> engine' and a token in play, and i sacrifice the token to the atog,
> im thinking my opponent will lose 2 life due to the ability of the
> disciples?
Absolutely.
>
> 2) if an opponent attacks, in response, can i put an artifact
> creature token from 'nuisance engine', and block the attack?
>
Yeah. Your opponent enters his combat phase, and you have a chance to make a
token, but you may choose not to. Your opponent, assuming nothing happens,
enters his declare attackers step, and you may make a token (this would be
your last chance to make a token that can block this turn). Assume you do
make the token. By the time you get to the declare blockers step, the token
is already in play, untapped, and eligible to block.
A trick move in this situation would be to make the token as described
above, declare it a blocker, then before damage is put on the stack,
sacrifice it to the Atog, which pumps him up +2/+2, so he's able to kill a
bigger creature in combat. As soon as you sacrifice it, the Disciples will
trigger (at the same time, but put on the stack in any order you want, if it
matters). If you both pass priority, he'll lose 2 life, Atog will be 3/4 and
the creature that the Nuisance engine token blocked will not deal you any
combat damage - because it is blocked. It turns into a pretty darn useful
0/1 creature at this point.
> TIA!
>
> disciple of the vault 1/1 (b)
> whenever an artifact is put into a graveyard from play, you may have
> target oponent lose 1 life.
>
> nuisance engine (3)
> 2, (t): put a 0/1 artifact creature token into play.
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KB
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