splice questions

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Ok say someone Spell Blasts my Rend Flesh with a Spliced Glacial Ray.
What would the controller of the spell blast have to pay? Would it be 5
mana or 3 mana?

Say I have a cost reducer, i.e, jet medallion, nightscape familiar,
does that reduce the whole cost, say the 5 mana to play the Rend flesh
and the Spliced Glacial Ray, or does it only reduce the orginal spell's
cost, the Rend Flesh?

 

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On 8 Dec 2004 08:05:35 -0800, snu0037@aol.com <snu0037@aol.com> wrote:
>Ok say someone Spell Blasts my Rend Flesh with a Spliced Glacial Ray.
>What would the controller of the spell blast have to pay? Would it be 5
>mana or 3 mana?

The mana cost of the spell is the mana cost of Rend Flesh. All Glacial Ray
contributed was more text and an additional cost; it did not add a mana cost,
another name, another color, another type line, etc. The Spell Blast's caster
would pay 3U (which is 4 mana, not 3 or 5).

>Say I have a cost reducer, i.e, jet medallion, nightscape familiar,
>does that reduce the whole cost, say the 5 mana to play the Rend flesh
>and the Spliced Glacial Ray, or does it only reduce the orginal spell's
>cost, the Rend Flesh?

It reduces the cost you pay to play the spell. It doesn't do anything to the
mana cost directly; nor does it change the additional cost, either. It "adds"
an additional "negative cost" if you want to look at it that way. You start
with the mana cost, or alternate cost; you add any additional costs; you
subtract any reductions; then you apply Trinisphere if it's there. So your
spell would cost 2B + 1R - 1 = 2BR for you to cast it. Its mana cost would
still be 2B and its converted mana cost would still be 3, for things that check
either of those.

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snu0037@aol.com sent:
> Ok say someone Spell Blasts my Rend Flesh with a Spliced Glacial Ray.
> What would the controller of the spell blast have to pay? Would it be 5
> mana or 3 mana?

The splice ability copies the spell text onto the spell, nothing else.
The mana cost will stay the same. So, Rend Flesh still costs {2}{B}
and the Spell Blast to counter it still costs {3}{U}.

> Say I have a cost reducer, i.e, jet medallion, nightscape familiar,
> does that reduce the whole cost, say the 5 mana to play the Rend flesh
> and the Spliced Glacial Ray, or does it only reduce the orginal spell's
> cost, the Rend Flesh?

There's a procedure for working out what to pay for a spell or ability -
take the mana cost or alternate cost, add in additional costs, then
apply cost reduction. The mana cost is what's printed on the card;
an alternate cost would be used if you play a spell with flashback,
additional costs can come from things like Gloom or abilities like
Splice or Kicker, and you've already listed some cost reducers.

So, for a Rend Flesh with a spliced Glacial Ray and a Stormscape
Familiar in play (not a Nightscape, that wouldn't reduce the cost of
a black spell), it goes:

{2}{B} Rend Flesh
+{1}{R} Splice from Glacial Ray
-{1} Reduction from Stormscape Familiar

={2}{B}{R} to pay.

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Oh no! It's !
> Ok say someone Spell Blasts my Rend Flesh with a Spliced Glacial Ray.
> What would the controller of the spell blast have to pay? Would it be 5
> mana or 3 mana?

The only thing that can change the converted mana cost of something is
the copy rules. If there is no copying involved, the converted mana cost
is unchanged, regardless of Splice, not Trinisphere, Familars etc. Just
add up the symbols in the top right corner of the card (or use zero, for
lands and non-copy tokens).

The controller of the Spell Blast would have to pay 4 mana in total, not
one of the choices you gave - I think you meant to ask what the *X*
value was, but of course Spell Blast costs one additional mana beyond
that. This is true even if you had half your deck spliced onto the Rend
Flesh.

> Say I have a cost reducer, i.e, jet medallion, nightscape familiar,
> does that reduce the whole cost, say the 5 mana to play the Rend flesh
> and the Spliced Glacial Ray, or does it only reduce the orginal spell's
> cost, the Rend Flesh?

Though they don't affect the converted mana cost for things like Spell
Blast, these abilities would reduce the actual cost you play even if
some of it comes from sources such as Splice, so three Jet Medallions
would allow you to play this spell for BR, not 1BR. Note that Nightscape
Familiar would not help you in this case - it only reduces the cost of
red and blue spells, and Spliced Glacial Ray or no, this is a black
spell.