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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:53:44 GMT, Abner Mintz <abnermintz@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Chris Mattern <matternc@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Because you can only choose creature types that exist. There is
>> no creature of type "Shrine". There are *enchantments* of type
>> Shrine, but that doesn't count.
>
>I was afraid this would be the answer - which leads to question number
> two: what happens if a Honden is in play with Opalescence? It
> was an enchantment with type 'Shrine', now it is a creature without
> that type?
Nope. It is now an enchantment creature. (Because Opalescence says it's still
an enchantment.) It still, thus, has its enchantment type "Shrine"; it does
not have any creature type, because it doesn't say it has one in case it
becomes a creature, and Opalescence doesn't give it one.
> How exactly does that work? Does the Opalescence
> wipe out the Honden's type, since it is a creature and that creature
> type doesn't exist? Or does it have that creature type even though
> that creature type doesn't exist?
Neither one. "Shrine" is not a creature type; it's an enchantment type.
Opalescence's effect doesn't stop it being an enchantment, so it doesn't
LOSE "Shrine" as its enchantment type. But it will have no creature type at
all; being an enchantment creature with enchantment type Shrine does NOT make
Shrine into a creature type somehow.
>You could ask the same with Myr Landshaper and the Locus type
> - if you turn a Cloudpost into a creature, does it become a creature
> without a type or does it become a creature with the Locus type?
Neither. It becomes a _land artifact_ (read the Landshaper, it has nothing to
do with creature-ness, though you may be thinking of Mishra's Groundbreaker,
which DOES do what you want) which still has permanent type land and still
has land type Locus. It does not gain any artifact type in the process. If
you used the Groundbreaker instead to turn it into a land _creature_,
it would become a land creature with land type Locus and no creature type.
Again, becoming a land creature with a retained land type does NOT turn the
land type, magically, into a creature type.
> One way, it loses its special ability and the other way it becomes
> a creature with type Locus, and then why couldn't you have other
> creatures with type Locus?
Neither 'way' actually happens, as the rulebook notes in a couple of places.
>I may be totally wrong here, but it seems to me that a good case
> could be made that they should add the Shrine and Locus types
> to the list of legal creature types.
Nope. One is an enchantment type; the other is a land type. There is NO WAY
to make either into a creature type; it is certainly possible for there to
be a permanent in play that's got permanent type creature that has one or
the other as one of its subtypes ... but it won't be a CREATURE subtype.
Dave
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