en Kor and Trample Damage

[dragon]

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If I attack and due 6 damage to
any en Kor can he redirect all 6
damage or does the trample damage
go through?

thanks

 

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Dragon <no@way.com> writes:
> If I attack and due 6 damage to
> any en Kor can he redirect all 6
> damage or does the trample damage
> go through?

Damage prevention and replacement effects (such as those of on en-Kor)
don't replace the damage until the damage is actually trying to be
dealt. Here's how it works:

- You declare a 6/6 trample attacker, your opponent declares Nomads
en-Kor (a 1/1) as a blocker. Neither of you have anything additional
to play during those steps.
- We do combat damage assignments. You must assign at least 1 damage
to the blocker (since that's the current amount to make lethal
damage), and assign the rest to the opponent. You'd likely assign 1
to the en-Kor and the other 5 to the opponent. This puts Combat
Damage on the stack.
- Your opponent plays the en-Kor ability to redirect the 1 damage to a
Grizzly Bears. This sets up a redirection shield that will apply
once the damage tries to get dealt. (He could play this ability
earlier, but that doesn't effect anything here.)
- Once neither of you have anything more to play, Combat Damage
resolves. The 1 damage gets dealt to the Bears instead of the
en-Kor, and 5 damage gets dealt to your opponent, just as you
originally assigned it to him.

I hope that helps. Please post again if you have any more questions.

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Dragon wrote:

> If I attack and due 6 damage to
> any en Kor can he redirect all 6
> damage or does the trample damage
> go through?
>
> thanks

The Kor can only redirect damage assigned to
him. Trample does not "go through" (not any
more, at least). It changes how you may
assign combat damage. When you have trample,
you are only required to assign damage to the
en-Kor equal to his toughness minus any
damage he may already have; the rest may be
assigned to your opponent at your discretion.
The en-Kor cannot redirect damage you assign
to your opponent

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Dragon <no@way.com> wrote:

> If I attack and due 6 damage to
> any en Kor can he redirect all 6
> damage or does the trample damage
> go through?

Suppose for the sake of discussion that the blocker is:

Warrior en-Kor
WW
Creature - Knight
2/2
0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to Warrior en-Kor this turn is
dealt to target creature you control instead.

Only damage that would be dealt to the Warrior en-Kor itself can be
modified by that ability. Damage that would be dealt elsewhere (maybe
they blocked with more than one creature, maybe you took advantage of a
trample ability) is untouched. For example, if you assign 2 damage to
that blocker and 4 to the defending player, only the 2 can be
redirected.

502.9d Assigning damage from a creature with trample considers only the
actual toughness of a blocking creature, not any abilities or effects
that might change the final amount of damage dealt.
Example: A 6/6 green creature with trample is blocked by a 2/2 creature
with protection from green. The attacking creature's controller must
assign at least 2 damage to the blocker, even though that damage will be
prevented by the blocker's protection ability. The attacking creature's
controller can then choose to assign the rest of the damage to the
defending player.

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 11:51:16 GMT, Dragon <no@way.com> wrote:
>If I attack and due 6 damage to
>any en Kor can he redirect all 6
>damage or does the trample damage go through?

Okay. Did you assign all 6 damage TO THE CREATURE, or did you assign some
of it to the creature and some to _defending player_, as you were putting
combat damage ONTO the stack as combat-damage step starts?

Because that happens way before the combat damage resolves off the stack,
tries to get dealt, and interacts with any "deal this damage there instead
of here" redirection shields the en-Kor might have up.

So if, as you seem to be saying, you assigned all 6 to the en-Kor, then no
Trample damage would "go through" _regardless_ of whether any gets redirected;
you didn't _assign_ any to defender, so none can get dealt to defender later.

If you assigned "this much" to the en-Kor and "the rest" to defender, then
the redirection shield the en-Kor can make can only affect damage trying to
be dealt _to the en-Kor_; it can't do anything at all about damage trying
to get dealt to a player over -> there, because NONE of the en-Kor say anything
about being able to take damage that would be dealt to a PLAYER and make it
go somewhere else instead.

Lancers en-Kor 3WW Creature - Soldier
3/3 Trample 0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to ~ this turn is dealt
to target creature you control instead.
Nomads en-Kor W Creature - Soldier
1/1 0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to ~ this turn is dealt to target
creature you control instead.
Shaman en-Kor 1W Creature - Cleric
1/2 0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to ~ this turn is dealt to target
creature you control instead. / 1W: The next time a source would deal damage
to target creature this turn, that damage is dealt to ~ instead.
Spirit en-Kor 3W Creature - Spirit
2/2 Flying 0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to ~ this turn is dealt to
target creature you control instead.
Warrior en-Kor WW Creature - Knight
2/2 0: The next 1 damage that would be dealt to ~ this turn is dealt to target
creature you control instead.

Dave
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