Scion of Darkness

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Hello

Question about the card below

Scion of Darkness
Creature - Avatar
6/6
Trample
Whenever Scion of Darkness deals combat damage to a player, you may put
target creature card from that player's graveyard into play under your
control.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

I attack with Scion of Darkness. My opponent blocks with a 4/4 creature. I
put 4 damage on his creature and 2 trample damage on my opponent. We let
damage resolve.

Can I now use Scion of Darkness's triggered ability to take control of that
4/4 creature that he blocked with?

 

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:13:27 GMT, Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:
>Scion of Darkness >Creature - Avatar
>6/6 Trample Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, you may put target
> creature card from that player's graveyard into play under your control. /
> Cycling <cost>
>
>I attack with Scion of Darkness. My opponent blocks with a 4/4 creature. I
>put 4 damage on his creature and 2 trample damage on my opponent. We let
>damage resolve.
>
>Can I now use Scion of Darkness's triggered ability to take control of that
>4/4 creature that he blocked with?

Yes. (Since it will, just barely, no longer be a creature at the time you
choose the ability's target.)

The breakdown:
Combat damage goes on the stack, divided as above.
All pass.
Combat damage resolves and is dealt; opponent takes 2 damage and loses 2 life,
while the blocker is dealt 4 and the Scion is also dealt 4. Scion's ability
triggers.
State-based effects are checked for: opponent is still alive, Scion is not
lethally damaged, but the 4/4 blocker is. It goes to the graveyard.
State-based effects are checked for again: nothing.
Triggered abilities go onto the stack. It is here that the Scion's ability
picks its target, which can be the 4/4 creature card that just went there
a couple seconds ago.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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Time to step up the meds; I could have sworn Jimmy Wong just said...
> Hello
>
> Question about the card below
>
> Scion of Darkness
> Creature - Avatar
> 6/6
> Trample
> Whenever Scion of Darkness deals combat damage to a player, you may put
> target creature card from that player's graveyard into play under your
> control.
> Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
>
> I attack with Scion of Darkness. My opponent blocks with a 4/4 creature. I
> put 4 damage on his creature and 2 trample damage on my opponent. We let
> damage resolve.
>
> Can I now use Scion of Darkness's triggered ability to take control of that
> 4/4 creature that he blocked with?

Yes. The creature goes to the graveyard when combat damage resolves, the
same event that triggers Scion of Darkness' ability. The next time a
player would gain priority (in other words, right *after* the creature
hits the graveyard) the Scion's ability goes on the stack, and at this
time its controller chooses the target for the ability. By this time the
blocker is in the graveyard, and is therefore a valid target.

 

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On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Jimmy Wong wrote:

> Hello
>
> Question about the card below
>
> Scion of Darkness
> Creature - Avatar
> 6/6
> Trample
> Whenever Scion of Darkness deals combat damage to a player, you may put
> target creature card from that player's graveyard into play under your
> control.
> Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
>
> I attack with Scion of Darkness. My opponent blocks with a 4/4 creature. I
> put 4 damage on his creature and 2 trample damage on my opponent. We let
> damage resolve.
>
> Can I now use Scion of Darkness's triggered ability to take control of that
> 4/4 creature that he blocked with?

Yes, a ruling from gatherer:

Oct 4, 2004 - If this card destroys a creature in combat and at the
same time (using its Trample ability) it damages a player, you will be
able to target the destroyed creature (if it was a card and not a
token) to be brought back.

--
David

 

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"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd5cf2g.mmj.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:13:27 GMT, Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:
>>Scion of Darkness >Creature - Avatar
>>6/6 Trample Whenever ~ deals combat damage to a player, you may put
>>target
>> creature card from that player's graveyard into play under your control.
>> /
>> Cycling <cost>
>>
>>I attack with Scion of Darkness. My opponent blocks with a 4/4 creature. I
>>put 4 damage on his creature and 2 trample damage on my opponent. We let
>>damage resolve.
>>
>>Can I now use Scion of Darkness's triggered ability to take control of
>>that
>>4/4 creature that he blocked with?
>
> Yes. (Since it will, just barely, no longer be a creature at the time you
> choose the ability's target.)
>
> The breakdown:
> Combat damage goes on the stack, divided as above.
> All pass.
> Combat damage resolves and is dealt; opponent takes 2 damage and loses 2
> life,
> while the blocker is dealt 4 and the Scion is also dealt 4. Scion's
> ability
> triggers.
> State-based effects are checked for: opponent is still alive, Scion is not
> lethally damaged, but the 4/4 blocker is. It goes to the graveyard.
> State-based effects are checked for again: nothing.
> Triggered abilities go onto the stack. It is here that the Scion's ability
> picks its target, which can be the 4/4 creature card that just went there
> a couple seconds ago.
>
> Dave
> --
> \/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the
> flower
> It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone
> to see
> Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET
> VRbeable<BLINK>
> http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all
> CAPS! --K.


An additional question just came to me. What if that blocking creature was a
6/4? Now the Scion would die as well. Would the triggered ability still go
on the stack allowing me to take control of the 6/4 blocker?

 

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:39:14 GMT, Jimmy Wong <j4389130@telus.net> wrote:
>>The breakdown:
>>Combat damage goes on the stack, divided as above.
>>All pass.
>>Combat damage resolves and is dealt; opponent takes 2 damage and loses 2 life,
>>while the blocker is dealt 4 and the Scion is also dealt 4. Scion's ability
>>triggers.
>>State-based effects are checked for: opponent is still alive, Scion is not
>>lethally damaged, but the 4/4 blocker is. It goes to the graveyard.
>>State-based effects are checked for again: nothing.
>>Triggered abilities go onto the stack. It is here that the Scion's ability
>>picks its target, which can be the 4/4 creature card that just went there
>>a couple seconds ago.
>
>An additional question just came to me. What if that blocking creature was a
>6/4? Now the Scion would die as well. Would the triggered ability still go
>on the stack allowing me to take control of the 6/4 blocker?

Yep. Look up above: it triggered before anything actually gets sent to the
graveyard by state-based effects. It has to wait a moment to go ON the stack
- but it triggers when the damage is dealt. Having its source die a moment
later doesn't change that it triggered.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

 

[Maz]

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Yes that works just fine.
The ability triggers as soon as damage is dealt.
Then SEB are checked and the Scion goes to the grave.
Then the triggered ability actually goes onto the stack and afterwards
the active player receives priority.

 

[Maz]

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Yes that works just fine (sorry if my last post still shows up I thought
I had made a mistake)

Oct 4, 2004 - If this card destroys a creature in combat and at the same
time (using its Trample ability) it damages a player, you will be able
to target the destroyed creature (if it was a card and not a token) to
be brought back.

The blocking creature hits the grave when SEB are checked before the
Scion's ability (which already triggered on the damage dealing)
actuallay goes onto the stack so you can legally choose the creature as
target