"Search" under Mindslaver

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While his opponent (Player "B") controls his turn via Mindslaver, Player
"A" plays Kodama's Reach.
Is "B" required to find the lands?
In a 2-players game, does Rule 507.2 make "A"'s library a "revealed"
(public) zone?

507.2. If information about an object would be visible to the player whose
turn is controlled, it’s visible to both that player and the controller of
the turn.

Search
If you’re required to search a zone not revealed to all players for cards
of a given quality, such as type or color, you aren’t required to find
some or all of those cards even if they’re present[...]

Hidden Information (Informal)
Some information within a Magic game isn’t known by all players. For
example, face-down cards in any zone and the contents of players’
libraries and hands are hidden information. If an effect “reveals” a card
that’s normally hidden, the card is public information as long as it
remains revealed [...]

Thanks!
Andrea Murru
Level 2 Judge

 

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 17:23:36 -0400, Acherontia <qebm@libero.it> wrote:
>While his opponent (Player "B") controls his turn via Mindslaver, Player
>"A" plays Kodama's Reach.
>Is "B" required to find the lands?

B is making the choices for A, and cannot make any choices that A normally
could not, and sees everything A sees, and can make any choices that A normally
could. So B may choose to "not find" anything.

>In a 2-players game, does Rule 507.2 make "A"'s library a "revealed"
>(public) zone?

Nope. Having both players able to view cards in it doesn't make it revealed.
The library and the hand are not revealed zones as such, unless an effect is
actually saying "Reveal your library / reveal your hand".

Kodama's Reach does not reveal the library. It does reveal the -cards- that
were searched for and retrieved; that's different. (It does not reveal them
"before you're done searching for them", or reveal every card you look at
that could be one of the two.)

>507.2. If information about an object would be visible to the player whose
>turn is controlled, it's visible to both that player and the controller of
>the turn.
>
>Search
>If you're required to search a zone not revealed to all players for cards
>of a given quality, such as type or color, you aren't required to find
>some or all of those cards even if they're present[...]

Kodama's Reach does not reveal the library being searched, so whoever is
choosing which cards to get can choose to get two basic land cards, one basic
land card, or none at all.

Dave
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