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Michael Beattie <mbeattie@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>Another question, how does Twincast work with regard to counterspells
>since interrupts dont exist anymore. I figure it goes like this:
Twincast can copy an Instant spell that counters something just fine. If
you do this, you can choose a new target for the copy as Twincast produces
it, including any of:
the original spell (if it's still there)
the original counterspell Twincast is making a copy of
Twincast itself (though this usually isn't at all useful)
any other spell that happens to be on the stack at the time Twincast is
resolving
Subject to the targetting conditions of the original (and copy), of course.
>Spell
>Counterspell
>Twincast
>
>Now resolve backwards.
>
>Twincast resolves and becomes it's target spell and does some effect.
Well, not quite. Twincast resolves and _makes a copy of_ the target spell.
The Twincast spell does not shift around, wiggle, morph, and turn into the
copy; the Twincast _makes_ a copy out of thin air, putting it on the stack on
top of the resolving Twincast, which then finishes resolving, leaves the stack,
and goes to owner's graveyard, making the copy "fall down a level" because
the Twincast vanished out from under it.
>Then counterspell resolves and prevents the main spell from resolving.
No. Then the _copy_ resolves, and counters whatever spell it targetted;
the original countering spell is UNDER the copy, so can't resolve until the
copy is dealt with.
If the copy targetted the original countering spell, which will be the case a
lot of the time when that spell's _opponent_ casts the Twincast, it will
counter the original, both will leave the stack (original first), then the
spell that started this all off is left on the stack by itself, and will
resolve if nothing further happens.
If the copy targetted the bottom spell, the one the original countering spell
also targets, it will counter that bottom spell, and what will be left on the
stack will be the original countering spell, which will itself get countered
on resolution because its target is missing.
And if the copy targetted some other spell, it won't interfere with the
original counterspell and its prey, the bottom spell; the original countering
spell will in this case counter that bottom spell.
>What would happen if you cast something and then twin cast it and then
>it was countered though?
>
>Spell
>Twincast
>Counterspell
Twincast targets the spell it will copy. So if someone counters the original
in response to the Twincast, the Twincast gets countered on resolution
because its target is missing. If that someone waits for the Twincast to
resolve, then countering the original AFTER that won't do anything to the
already-existing copy (and countering the copy won't do anything to the
original).
>Counterspell resolves and kills the main spell. Then twincast resolves
>and doesnt have a target to copy so it fails? Is this right?
If done in that order, then yes, that's what happens. ("Gets countered",
not just "fails" - a spell that 'fails' is one that resolves but finds it
can't actually do anything out of what it was supposed to do.)
Dave
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