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I'm planning to upgrade my video card from Nvidia RivaTNT2 M64 32MB to GeForce4 Mx440 128MB. Does this worth the purchase since it will only cause me $50, i don't really have the money to get any titanium based geforce and my motherboard doesn't support 8x-agp to get the 5200.

Would i get at least more than 20fps in UNreal2k3 with this upgrade @ 800*600? Thx for the help.

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Intel Pentium 4 2.0A GHz (Northwood A)
ASUS P4S333-M SiS645
Nvidia RivaTNT2 M64 32MB AGP4X
Generic 256MB PC2100 SDRAM (128*2)
Seagate 40.0GB 7.2KRPM HDD
Microsoft WIndows XP Professional SP1




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If you're on a budget, then I guess it's fine, but for a few dollars more, you could opt for a GeForce3 Ti200 w/64MB card instead (listed as US$51 at Pricewatch).

Not sure about UT2003 tho.

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Reply to Woodman

I'd shop around on-line as the mx440 is really rubbish + I would have thought 128Mb isnt a benefit to you on that card. like the previous post said, for literaly just a few dollars more you can get a far superior card.

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Reply to caimbeul

what would you prefer a geforce3 ti500 64MB or a geforce4 ti4200 128MB. I'm also opting for a 4200 for $70., is the 4200 has a major performance advantage over a 440.

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Reply to jmecor

The TI4200 is far better than the MX440! It´s a true Geforce4, with DirectX 8 support and newer technologies like Pixel-shaders. Get the TI4200!

The MX440 is a great 2D card, the 2D quality is far better than GF3. The TV-out is also far better on GF4MX than GF3. But the MX sucks in 3D comparred to both GF3 and GF4 TIs.

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Reply to Praesul

That does it. I'm getting a GeForce4 Ti4200 128MB w/ tv-out. Money won't hurt that much for 80 bucks.

THx for the advise.

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Reply to jmecor

A very wise descision, the Ti4200 is much better than all the other cards discussed.

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Reply to caimbeul

but not yet final. I'm thinking for a good board manufacturer. The one i have on my list is from GAINWARD ULTRA TI4400 128mb TV-out, th cost here in philippines is $105. I'll just save more with this one.

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Reply to jmecor

The 4200 is an awesome choice.

Just wanted to mention that you have the option of using AGP 8x cards on your 4x motherboard.

But still, the 4x AGP 4200 is still better than any 8x AGP card in your pricerange.

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Reply to Cleeve

Picked up an Abit Siluro Ti4200 8x w/64mb RAM about a month ago. I have it overclocked T 290/600 and it's giving me 3D Mark 2001 scores better than an average Ti4600. No ramsinks, just stock cooling. For around $100 you almost can't lose with any brand name Ti4200. The Ti4200 is a mature chipset, so you'll probably be ok with any recognizable name.
-Brett

Reply to smitbret

Do you mean that i can place an 8x-agp card in my mobo which only supports 4x-agp. If that is so, then i would rather get a GeforceFX 5200 128MB card.

Reply to jmecor

And for at least i can run doom3 for 20fps. at 1024*768 with full effects. I know from the time i heard doom3, my video will halt in this game that's why i'm upgrading.

Reply to jmecor

NO NO NO the 5200 nonultra sucks. The ultra is a decent value DX9 card (because of its price), but the nonultra lacks the power to run DX9 games properly. It sports DX9 as more of a "cool feature". I say go with Ti4200.

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Reply to daddywags214

1- Yes, you can place it in your 4x AGP mobo

2- No, you don't want to, the Fx 5200 sucks compared to a Ti4200. Performance will be WAY worse.

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Reply to Cleeve

OK!

Final Decision:

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Reply to jmecor

yess for 110 bucks with rebates i got the 5200 ultra it is very fast for now, im pushing 99 fps in americas at everything normal and it looks great but i know somne ofthe older g cards can push more. i would really say this card running anything under normal is the best looking card for 110 bucks.Even fast with AA on if ucna belive thta it looks great.

Reply to Flipphone

who manufactured the 5200 card? well that's quite fast

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Reply to jmecor

yeah, we all noe gainward looks nice for the ti4200, but wat abt the BFG? i can get it at 110 for the 8X version..

and i read that the ti4200 128mb is not tt much better than the ti4200 64mb becoz of the 500mhz, but the 128mb 8X is better.. so how?

Reply to jiaruigoh

i really don't see other popular manufacturers, coz bfg is rare to find here. That's why Gainward is the only option i can go with or Asus.

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<font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jmecor on 08/14/03 04:57 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to jmecor

FX5200 Ultra 128MB or GF4 TI 4400 128MB,
which could be better? there price is nearly close.

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Reply to jmecor

Umm, in non AA/AF they both perform almost identically, with the Ti4400 being a few fps better. However when AA/AF is turned on the lead is taken by the 5200U with a few frames more. It really depend on whether you Use AA/AF, because if you do I would reccomend the 5200U.

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Reply to tombance

i forgot this: does the Geforcefx5200 ultra uses 256-bit memory. Yes, i would use AA in my games since my monitor inly supports up to 1024*768 resolution.

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Reply to jmecor

It does not have a 256-bit memory pipeline. The Ultra has 128. I'd take the 5200Ultra over a Ti4400, because their speeds are relatively close and the 5200U has DX9. Just don't get the nonultra.

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Reply to daddywags214

What really matters to me is if the card supports DirectX 8.0, because of the Pixel and Vertex shaders. Is the GeForce4 MX a directx 8 card or only the Titaniums. Still thinking about INNO3D geforce4 ti cards, are they worth it. (many of their video cards have tv-out or vivo too and cheap)

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Reply to jmecor

I see. The GF4 MX is DX7 only. The GF4 Ti is DX8, as is the GF3. I've not heard anything bad about Inno3d, but you should wait for a response from someone who knows more about all that.

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Reply to daddywags214

coz Inno3D is the most common in our place, and MSI video card is quite rare.

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Reply to jmecor

anyone here who've used any inno3d card?

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Reply to jmecor

I own an Inno3D GeForce4 Ti4200 64MB card, it's a good & decent card. It's also so-so for overclocking, was able to get something like 300MHz core (250MHz base) & about 620MHz mem (513MHz base) using stock cooling before artifacts started appearing on applications. I haven't seen many numbers, so I can't comment on whether what I got was terrible :).

After a while though, it's small 50mm fan will be a problem (I assume most cards also suffer from it). The construction is fairly simple, a heatsink stuck to the card itself through two pins. A strange 50mm fan sitting in the middle of it. And a top that covers most of the heatsink (bar the fan itself). Thing is, it'll start making funny noises after a while, sorta like the blades hitting parts of the heatsink.

When I inspected the issue, I found that the blades were indeed hitting the top cover. Reason was that the fan was becoming unstable, first twisting while turning, & then later stuttering. Wasn't a surprise really, it was just some generic fan they placed over it :).

I then took out the entire HSF & tried to find a replacement HSF. It was harder than I thought unfortunatly. The HSF's were either too small, or it usually doesn't fit (into the card's socket holes I mean).

I finally replaced the massive heatsink back on & clumsily screwed a 60mm & even an 80mm fan on it. The heatsink wasn't level, so that made it especially difficult to screw anything on it. One day I was surprised to see that the big fans I used stopped working competely for some reason. So I turned back to using small fans, this time a fan I hadn't used in 4 years (used previously on my Cyrix 166+ lol :D). It was also stuttering unfortunatly, so I was on a quest to find an exact replacement of my original fan.

The fan in question was an oddity, or maybe I just hadn't seen many of them. Instead of having regular holes on the four corners like most fans, it had what looked like a flat tripod base directly under the fan, with screw holes in each of the "legs". There were no "walls" either, it was completely open.

Anyways, I looked around & couldn't find anything that looked like it. I had seen some tripod based fans, but the legs on them were angeled differently (140-80-140, rather than 120-120-120 like what I needed). I was about to give up, until I saw this small & obscure shop near the end of the computer mall. It sold cheap generic crap, but it also had this small box filled with a couple of "Made in Taiwan" fans heh :).

I poked in, & lo n' behold, a couple of tripod fans screwed into a cheapy replication of the Orb sinks we all know. It was pretty cheap, a tad above a buck, so I decided it was worth looking into a bit more. I then took out what remained of my old GPU fan (I sorta "broke" it trying to see the problem heh) & checked whether the legs aligned. One did, but I was afraid that it might be a bit bigger than the sink it's supposed to be screwed into.

On my way back home, I thought about cutting the grills on the sink, but that would be imposible without the proper tools. I then thought about cutting the blades a bit, but I was afraid it would be unstable when running.

When I arrived home however, I saw that it fit perfectly. Yesterday I installed it, & my quest is thus over. I stopped running Rivatuner (underclocking heh :)), & am saving up for a much better cooling solution (probably Zalman or something) until this fan breaks down again.


I apologize if this was a bit long, I'm bored as heck, & I thought maybe it might entertain some of you also bored as heck :D.

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Reply to Woodman

i admire your long post!
So the fan could be the problem with their video cards.
And i don't have any hsf changing experience yet in case i encounter this if i bought one.
The Inno3d 4200 here costs $100.00 = Php 5500.00
& Gainward 4400 here costs $115.00 = Php 6350.00


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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
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Reply to jmecor

maybe if i won't overclock,
i won't encounter the same problem as yours. :wink: :wink:

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My computer is <b>sooo fast</b>,
It finished <b>SETI</b> in <b>10 seconds.</b>
<font color=blue><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by jmecor on 08/17/03 10:09 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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