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May 10, 2003 12:54:59 AM

HI I know I probably need to reformat my machine but I don't really feel like backing up everything and reinstalling everything.

System spec's
Gigabyte P4PE 667 ultra
Pentium4 2.53 OC'd 2.85ghz
Mushkin 512mb DDR PC3200
2x 80 WD special edition set up for Raid
RAdeon9700 Pro
Windows XP PRO full version
8 case fans
52x liteon CD-rw
DVD-RW
DVD-rom
OK here is my problem i've been running windows XP on this machine since October and my machine is starting to slow down on when windows boots up and when I try to access programs. I've uninstalled alot of programs, but I think I need some way of cleaning out the registry. I've scanned my computer with SPYbot Search and Destroy.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post

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May 10, 2003 2:13:11 AM

When's the last time you cleaned out the <A HREF="http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/archive/39/2002/0..." target="_new">Prefetch</A> folder, deleted unnecessary items from loading at startup (Start\Run\<A HREF="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,10917,00.asp" target="_new">msconfig</A>), cleaned out the temp folder (Documents & Settings\"your screen name"\Local Settings\Temp --- "Local Settings" is a hidden folder, FYI), ran <A HREF="http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/tips/scandisk_xp.ht..." target="_new">CHKDSK</A> to scan for errors, defragged the hard disks to make your files contiguous, defragged the paging file and the <A HREF="http://www.raxco.com/products/perfectdisk2k/whitepapers..." target="_new">Master File Table</A> (applicable if using NTFS), removed old <A HREF="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,10916,00.asp" target="_new">System Restore Points</A>, and reviewed your <A HREF="http://www.beemerworld.com/tips/servicesxp.htm" target="_new">Service's</A> list for any applications that have been installed since October and are running that you don't actually need all the time?

A good, freeware Registry cleaner is <A HREF="http://www.lexunfreeware.com/RegScrubXP/RegScrubXP.htm" target="_new">RegScrubXP</A>.

Toey

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May 14, 2003 5:32:34 AM

How effective is Norton Systemworks at keeping all this stuff in check?


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May 14, 2003 1:10:31 PM

My opinion (for what it's worth):

Back when I was still using Win9x, I used to run the Norton Utilities/Anti-Virus package, and I liked the product, although the Anti-Virus was not necessarily the easiest application to configure for many users, and required some small effort to locate and access all the various menus. It was a memory-intensive application, of course, and I usually ended up forcing the Anti-Virus to only scan incoming e-mail, and nothing else. I have never been particularly fond of redundant or unnecessary TSR's that load at startup and reduce available memory and system resources. I prefer to run applications manually, as needed.

The disk defragmenter was excellent, and when Symantec acquired Cleansweep from Quarterdeck, I found that aspect of the program to be particularly useful, although as slow as old molasses in Winter.

Note that I was always careful to update the program immediately after the installation (or it might crash the system), and that I was aware that Live Update had a tendency to become corrupted and might require manual replacement, which allowed me to avoid many of the problems I saw on the 'Net from other users.

I purchased a copy of Systemworks when it was first introduced, at a time when I was running a multi-boot of Win9x and Win2K. I recall thinking at the time that the suite wasn't nearly as useful as the basic Utilities package had been in the past, and was well on its way to becoming bloatware.

I became rather unhappy with the suite after running it for a few weeks when a defragging run with SpeedDisk crashed the system and corrupted so many files that I was forced to format not only the partition that contained Win2k, but the primary partition that contained Win98SE, as well. This was something I found unacceptable, and the last time I installed a product from Symantec.

While I haven't run the latest version of Systemworks, and am now running WinXP, looking over the program features leads me to believe that "bloatware" could <i>easily</i> be considered the defining word for what the Utilities package has become. For example, I see features such as GoBack 3 from Roxio, which was a program I used briefly in the past (and absolutely detested, in every way, as I recall that this was a heavily memory-intensive program, and slowed down even the fastest system to a crawl.) With the addition of System Restore in WinXP, this is redundant, IMHO.

As for the aspects of WinXP that I suggested be checked (that can contribute to a system slowing down after a period of time) ... without running the latest version of Norton, I couldn't really say how much could be controlled and/or maintained with the program. However, (and current users are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong) I would seriously doubt that Norton can clean out the Prefetch folder or edit the Administrative Services. I don't recall ever using it to delete old temp files, edit the startup applications, or defrag the MFT and the paging file. (I don't know if Systemworks now has the ability to defrag these items in boot time.) Without running it in WinXP, I also can't say if it can remove old System Restore Points, but I would assume that this might not be possible.

I would hazard to guess, though, after looking at the features, that after installing the suite, I would be still be inclined to disable 99% of those same features from loading up when the computer boots.

Nearly everything I listed in the previous post can easily be maintained manually by an individual user, with a minimum of time and effort, with the exceptions being the Services list, (the editing of which I consider to be a basic part of installing Win2K or WinXP in the first place), and defragging the MFT/paging file (which while time-consuming, doesn't need to be done very often.) IMHO, installing a $70.00 dollar program, even if it <i>could</i> control and maintain everything in the post ... this would be a waste of money. Personally, I'd rather run an easily customized set of programs that are each dedicated to a single purpose, such as a disk defragmenter, an Anti-Virus, and a firewall. Everything else I'd rather maintain manually, instead of relying on an entire suite of applications to run continuously and automatically when the computer boots, and assuming that this will function without error, and intelligently enough to only run when needed.

But that's just my opinion ... other people may feel differently. In my experience, there are a lot of people out there who will argue vehemently against creating what I consider a standard setup of Windows and performing continued maintenance of a system (such as defragging regularly), and think that having a program that will do everything with a single click is the height of luxury, and this is all that should be necessary.

I just can't agree with that kind of mind set ... which might possibly contribute to the fact that I can install an operating system and keep it running at peak performance for several years at a time, without having to start over from scratch.

Toey

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May 14, 2003 7:42:19 PM

Well, I ran the previous version of Systemworks on my Athlon system, and I eventually uninstalled it for precisely the reasons you pointed out. However, I just built a new P4/3.0 with 1 gig of RAM, and I have resources to spare. I installed the new version of Systemworks, and my initial impression is that the new version is much better streamlined than the previous version. For example, if I run 3DMark or SysMark with Norton Autoprotect enabled, and then run it with Autoprotect disabled, I see maybe a 2-3% difference (if that.)

After seeing my Athlon system's performance gradually degrade as XP became more and more bloated and inefficient, I tend to think the advantages of running Norton over the long-term will outweigh any immediate performance hit.

So, to make a long story only slightly longer, I'm not particularly concerned about the performance hit. I can always turn it off if I'm running something that it performance-intensive.

I know Windoctor does a good job of eliminating misdirected shortcuts and things like that, and Cleansweep is nice for cleaning out Internet cache and that sort of thing. And I know that Windoctor checks and eliminates some issues in the Windows registry, but I have no idea if it does anything for the Prefetch folder, and I'm pretty sure that Norton does no tweaking whatsoever.

And you're right--I love Norton's disk optimizer.

Perhaps I will download that freeware app specifically for the Prefetch folder. I have used a few registry tweaks, like the XP DSL PPOE tweak that's out there. Maybe I should buy TweakXP or a program like that? I know the TweakUI app that comes with PowerToys is pretty bland.

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May 15, 2003 12:09:30 AM

I've used two different versions of TweakXP in the past, and I ran into a few stability issues with the program that eventually caused me to distrust it. I'd assume that much of that should be worked out by now, since it's been at least a year since I first installed the program. But that's just a guess, and it's probably somewhat optimistic, since my nature is geared in that direction.

However ...

I find it far more effective to tweak the operating system by hand, instead of using a third-party tweaking program, and it's cheaper in the long run, too. I've currently have copies of both CustomizerXP and TweakUI, but everything that can be accomplished with those programs can also be done by editing the Registry, and accessing a few of the menus in the GUI.

Some people hesitate to alter the Registry, but in my experience, with a responsible approach, more can accomplished with this method than with any tweaking program on the market. It just requires a few hours out of a single day, patience, and taking the time to create regular backups of the Registry in case something is changed than alters the stability of the system.

To some, this might sound like a lot of time directed toward achieving higher performance, but IMHO, it's all in the perception of the user. Personally, I think the end result is worth it. It's not as difficult or as hazardous as overclocking, and many people do this without hesitation (or sufficient preparation), all in the name of speed.

Here are a few of my favorite websites that contain information about tweaking WinXP. My suggestion would be that you copy the Registry edits and any system tweaks to a document as you proceed, and then use this as a reference if a full reinstallation of the OS is ever necessary. The document can be burned to a disk along with any hotfixes, drivers, and program updates that might be needed ... and it won't cost you a thin dime. At the end of it, you'll know more about how the Registry works, and where various keys are located, and again, IMHO, that in itself more than compensates up for the effort and the time allotted to the task.

<A HREF="http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/" target="_new">Kelly's WinXP Korner</A>

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/xp_notes.htm" target="_new">Marfer's Notes for WinXP</A>

<A HREF="http://www.theeldergeek.com/index.htm" target="_new">Elder Geek on WinXP</A>

<A HREF="http://www.dougknox.com/" target="_new">Doug's Windows 95-98-Me-XP Tweaks and Tips</A>

<A HREF="http://www.onecomputerguy.com/windowsxp_tips.htm" target="_new">Bob Cerelli's Windows Page</A>

<A HREF="http://www.windows-help.net/WindowsXP/cust-idx.html" target="_new">Customizing Windows XP</A>

<A HREF="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q308417&ID=KB;EN-US;Q308417&" target="_new">HOW TO: Set Performance Options in Windows XP</A>

<A HREF="http://www.kbalertz.com/allKbs.aspx?tec=246" target="_new">Articles for Windows XP</A>

<A HREF="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,5155,00.asp" target="_new">Optimize Windows XP</A>

<A HREF="http://www.subvers.com/technobabble/html/gaming2.htm" target="_new">Optimize Windows XP System Settings for your Gaming Machine</A>

<A HREF="http://snakefoot.fateback.com/tweak/winnt/services.html" target="_new">WinNT, Win2k, WinXP services</A>

<A HREF="http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/winxp_services/index.sht..." target="_new">WinXP Services Tweak Guide</A>

<A HREF="http://www.tweakxp.com/" target="_new">TweakXP.com</A>

<A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=guide&dId=1..." target="_new">Tweaking Windows XP - Part 1</A>

<A HREF="http://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Tips/TWEAKS_for_Windows_..." target="_new">TWEAKS for Windows XP for Video Editing (v 1.0)</A>

<A HREF="http://www.codeproject.com/tools/whotfixcheck2.asp" target="_new">Windows Hotfix Manager</A>

<A HREF="http://www.pro-networks.org/XPMaNiA//" target="_new">XPMANIA and the XPBBS</A>

<A HREF="http://www.tipsdr.com/index.html" target="_new">Windows XP Tips and Tricks</A>

<A HREF="http://pub2.ezboard.com/fhunt4lifefrm43" target="_new">Hunt4life.com - Windows XP Tips</A>

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/axcel216/wxp.htm" target="_new">WinXP Tweaks + Secrets</A>

<A HREF="http://www.winxpfix.com/" target="_new">WinXPFix.com</A>

<A HREF="http://www.winxpnews.com/issues.cfm" target="_new">WinXPnews.com</A>

<A HREF="http://grc.com/xpdite/xpdite.htm" target="_new">XPdite</A>

<A HREF="http://www.xptuneup.com/tip0025.htm" target="_new">XPTUNEUP</A>

Once you've gone through this information, if your system isn't tweaked beyond all your expectations, I'll eat my Brave's cap. With hot mustard.

Enjoy!

Toey

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May 15, 2003 1:53:28 AM

Thanks, man. I will check some of those out. :smile:


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October 1, 2009 3:24:33 AM

You just resurrected a 6 year old thread.
October 1, 2009 1:16:25 PM

aford10 said:
You just resurrected a 6 year old thread.



What I would do is to buy more memory and resurrected the RIG. Use the last program out there that would clean out your system
even if it has a defragmentation settings a windows boot recovery.

www.iolo.com./download

look for system mechanic 9 ( free 30 day trial)
October 1, 2009 5:09:47 PM

6 year old thread people! Look at the dates.
October 2, 2009 1:40:44 AM

lobslob...why the heck would you necro a 6 year old thread? How many pages on the forum did you go through to get there...what like 200pages?...seriously, i think that guy has solved the problem, its been 6 YEARS!! <Thats a long time, 2003 was when american had just begun the invasion of iraq..wow.
October 2, 2009 2:10:15 PM

raging_redneck said:
HI I know I probably need to reformat my machine but I don't really feel like backing up everything and reinstalling everything.

System spec's
Gigabyte P4PE 667 ultra
Pentium4 2.53 OC'd 2.85ghz
Mushkin 512mb DDR PC3200
2x 80 WD special edition set up for Raid
RAdeon9700 Pro
Windows XP PRO full version
8 case fans
52x liteon CD-rw
DVD-RW
DVD-rom
OK here is my problem i've been running windows XP on this machine since October and my machine is starting to slow down on when windows boots up and when I try to access programs. I've uninstalled alot of programs, but I think I need some way of cleaning out the registry. I've scanned my computer with SPYbot Search and Destroy.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post


Hey kid, if you love that computer so much then I can understand.. You don't have cash like some of these guy do. I know they are making fun of you because you have a 6 year old computer. I'd know that is more what you wanted as an answer but I am going to tell you. If you don't have enough cash it's find. Have up 5 buck or even 20 bucks at a time and in no time you will have a nice system that is up to date in 8 month...but for the meanwhile you can help that 6 year old (RIG).. I help put back a Intel Pentium 4 3.2 HT together for my wife.

Intel P4 3.2 HT
Intel mobo 875p
Asus Heatsink silent Pro (RPM's 2700) with fan controller
One 500GB Hard drive
Two 80GB hard drive
Nzxt Fan controller
Four 120MM cooling fans (2500 RPM's)
Four 80MM cooling fans (2700RPM's)
HIS ATI 3850 512MB GDDR3 Video card (AGP) Running CRISIS on Medium (OC)
DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-ROM Mulit Drive
CD-ROM Drive
4GB Corsair XMS Extreme Gaming memory With LED (DDR) (OC)
Xigmatek 700 Watt power supply
4 UV LED light sticks with sound module

My wife loves her system and she play game sometimes but mostly is working and doing research.
For them to say leave the old system to die , I think not I took a old system and made it work like new.
October 2, 2009 7:05:15 PM

OMG Keiki646 read the damn thread its 6 years old...
October 2, 2009 7:06:46 PM

Keiki646 said:
Hey kid, if you love that computer so much then I can understand.. You don't have cash like some of these guy do. I know they are making fun of you because you have a 6 year old computer. I'd know that is more what you wanted as an answer but I am going to tell you. If you don't have enough cash it's find. Have up 5 buck or even 20 bucks at a time and in no time you will have a nice system that is up to date in 8 month...but for the meanwhile you can help that 6 year old (RIG).. I help put back a Intel Pentium 4 3.2 HT together for my wife.


Hey Keiki, we aren't saying the PC is 6 years old. Raging redneck started this thread 6 years ago.
October 2, 2009 8:25:42 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
OMG Keiki646 read the damn thread its 6 years old...

I am aware of that, it's a mistake in my typing and on my behave....americans take everything so seriously
October 2, 2009 11:57:31 PM

^I didn't take it seriously, and you have no idea where i am from. and Don't worry about it, no big deal anyway, just a very old thread.
October 3, 2009 1:54:47 AM

You may have a thing or two to learn about us Americans.
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