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Is it just me? Despite our gains in the graphics market during the last year mainly due to competition between you know who(s)...I just feel that we are lagging.

I mean...right now a GF4 Ti 4200 which came out 2+ years ago can stay within 5-10% of a top end card. What the hell is going on with that? There have been no real gains from Nvidia. Just POWER gains which equals squat for rendering. Sure VPU power helps out but only so much.

The only true innovation I've in the last 5 years (well, besides Glide...and why Nvidia dropped that I'll never understand) is the R300 VPU from ATI. Out of nowhere here they came...it was revolutionary. Here we are though...stagnant.

It would be cool if my small voice could be heard...I would challenge all video card manu's to get up offa that thing! Go borrow James Browns' Hot Pants! Pour some of those PHAT bankrolls into R&D! Quit slacking...we have DOOM ]|[ to play!!! I myself want to see some 16X AA and AF within this next year. And it better be at equal to or above 60 fps. It's possible...I mean, the fps we're attaining for most games today are attainable from cards that came out in the late part of 2001 and early part of 2002...which means they were being tested as early as 2001/2000 and probably conceptually designed in 2000/1999.

And here's the real deal: Manufacturers sit on their cards in order to make more money. If they can control the release of certain cards they can demand more money for them. So, I wonder how many cards they're sitting on? If I were one of them...I wouldn't play by the rules and I'd just release a fat advanced vid card and slay the other company or make them release their fat vid card. But I'd quit doing this release and sit method. The world of computer graphics is at its best when it is shook up. If I were Nvidia or ATI I'd quickly do some shaking of the Graphics tree and find out what falls down. As for now, the current situation sucks....and I find foreplay very boring...I'm pretty sure most gamers do too. :smile:

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ya, it's just u ;)

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dhlucke

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I was saying the same thing about the Nvidia Ti series. I bought two different 4200's and a 4600 and the difference between them and a overclocked GF2 Pro was negligable imop. Definitely not worth the upgrade.

Once I saw the R300 core in action though that changed. It's been a while with that too though. Nonetheless, dx9 games haven't really hit the market yet.

We'll see....

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If your Ti4200 stays within 5% of a topend card, there is something VERY WRONG with your Ti4200. Seeing as how a Ti4600 is about 25% faster than a 4200, and a 9800 Pro is over twice as fast as a 4600, there is definitely something wrong with your card. Be PATIENT man.

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TKS, you summed up what I've always thought of the current industry.
Performance is just NOT there. Just why aren't they increasing the power by twofold? Even the R300 didn't in normal quality, it was only 20-30%, which still left me desiring for more!
Fact is, none of the cards even use their bandwidth right. The FX5900 Ultra is the biggest POS of a card when it comes to efficiency. Christ it has over 65% more bandwidth and what, it gets 10-15% more performance? WTF!?

Furthermore the R9800 is another example of crap driver performance. The thing sometimes was equal to its younger brother, yet it managed to maintain a fairly good sync. core/mem clocking.

THEN! The 6:1 color compression of the R9800 rarely taps into action showing significant gains. Only in UT2003, according to Anandtech's report did it rise by 30%, when AA and Aniso were both enabled.

I always thought the current game performance was horrible. Top end cards can't even play at 60FPS all the time. Remember when you bought a Voodoo 3 and suddenly no new game could challenge it, as it rammed through it all?

Remember Glide and how it made Voodoos perform so well, with HIGH QUALITY graphics? What the heck is Cg doing for this world?

I simply am not happy with the performance of today's cards. None of them manages to play the new games right, and I am sure those who claim full smooth operation with AA and Aniso in the newest games, are just ignoring the frame skip parts because they are enthusiastic of their new purchase.
If a new card, just out, cannot make sure the upcoming games play right, what point is there really?

R420 or NV40 better gain a 2:1 performance ratio over the current cards. And they better start optimizing their driver performance and bandwidth, as none of it is properly extracted right now. (it probably isn't even at 70% efficiency)

Thanks for making this rant TKS, you said just what I hoped others would feel.


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may be i shud hang on to my MX440 a little longer b4 getting a 9700 PRo then? :wink:

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Yeah if you like playing doom 1 :p

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Oh man. i am not into first person shooters anyways;)

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I agree with some of what you have said. I must say though, that my 9800 pro is a good 4 times faster than my ti4400 in ut2k3 with aa/aniso on.

The options of AA/aniso are not revolutionary... being able to USE them and get a decent framerate is revolutionary!

Playing UT2k3 on my 9800 pro and playing it on my ti4400 are two TOTALLY different things.

Personally I'm waiting for the r420, which im hoping, is going to kick major ass and achieve world domination.

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Hey mask, got my new barton to 2436mhz on 1.78 volts :) Getting a 900u tomorrow and some as ceramique to take it over 2500mhz... You want that other chip, its yours once ive sorted this one out :)

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Oh man, i almost forgot about enquiring about that. Tomorrow i'll check with Blue Dart couriers and find out how much i wud have to pay for the shipping and if there wud be any duty to be paid. :smile:

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