Non-duplicate cities - part I
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We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
duplicates.
1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-Davidson
should be considered to be named just Nashville.
Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the top
50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is to
name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
--
Dan Tilque
We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
duplicates.
1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-Davidson
should be considered to be named just Nashville.
Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the top
50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is to
name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
--
Dan Tilque
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"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote in message
news:108955ngknlsrc3@corp.supernews.com...
> We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
> recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
> duplicates.
>
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
> link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
>
> http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>
> Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-Davidson
> should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>
> Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the top
> 50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is to
> name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named "El Pueblo de
Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula."
"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote in message
news:108955ngknlsrc3@corp.supernews.com...
> We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
> recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
> duplicates.
>
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
> link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
>
> http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>
> Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-Davidson
> should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>
> Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the top
> 50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is to
> name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named "El Pueblo de
Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de Porciuncula."
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Steve Grant wrote:
> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote in message
> news:108955ngknlsrc3@corp.supernews.com...
>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>> same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>> in the US.
>>
>> http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>>
>> Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-
>> Davidson should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>
> It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named
> "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de
> Porciuncula."
Oh, absolutely. Why there's three of them in Rhode Island
alone...
OK, for the purposes of this question, use the names as they are
on that list except for Nashville as I indicated above. Note that
this means it's just New York, not New York City. (The 'city'
after the names on that list most likely comes from the way the
Census Bureau shows the names in their database.)
--
Dan Tilque
Steve Grant wrote:
> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote in message
> news:108955ngknlsrc3@corp.supernews.com...
>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>> same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>> in the US.
>>
>> http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>>
>> Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-
>> Davidson should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>
> It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named
> "El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de
> Porciuncula."
Oh, absolutely. Why there's three of them in Rhode Island
alone...
OK, for the purposes of this question, use the names as they are
on that list except for Nashville as I indicated above. Note that
this means it's just New York, not New York City. (The 'city'
after the names on that list most likely comes from the way the
Census Bureau shows the names in their database.)
--
Dan Tilque
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Dan Tilque wrote:
> Steve Grant wrote:
>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>>>in the US.
>>>
>>>http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>>>
>>>Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-
>>>Davidson should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>>
>>It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named
>>"El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de
>>Porciuncula."
>
> Oh, absolutely. Why there's three of them in Rhode Island
> alone...
>
> OK, for the purposes of this question, use the names as they are
> on that list except for Nashville as I indicated above. Note that
> this means it's just New York, not New York City. (The 'city'
> after the names on that list most likely comes from the way the
> Census Bureau shows the names in their database.)
Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has a
unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I guess
you're implying that there's a conflict between New York the state
and New York the city (or New York the mountains in CA). There's a
Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you using to prove the
negative (there's no other place in the US with the same name)?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
Dan Tilque wrote:
> Steve Grant wrote:
>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>>>in the US.
>>>
>>>http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm
>>>
>>>Note that for the purposes of this question, Nashville-
>>>Davidson should be considered to be named just Nashville.
>>
>>It seems like everywhere you go, there's another city named
>>"El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de Los Angeles de
>>Porciuncula."
>
> Oh, absolutely. Why there's three of them in Rhode Island
> alone...
>
> OK, for the purposes of this question, use the names as they are
> on that list except for Nashville as I indicated above. Note that
> this means it's just New York, not New York City. (The 'city'
> after the names on that list most likely comes from the way the
> Census Bureau shows the names in their database.)
Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has a
unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I guess
you're implying that there's a conflict between New York the state
and New York the city (or New York the mountains in CA). There's a
Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you using to prove the
negative (there's no other place in the US with the same name)?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>> same name.
>
> Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
> a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
> guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
> the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
> CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
> using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
> with the same name)?
By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
Also the state.
As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
finds evidence of a place outside them.
--
Dan Tilque
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>> same name.
>
> Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
> a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
> guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
> the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
> CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
> using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
> with the same name)?
By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
Also the state.
As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
finds evidence of a place outside them.
--
Dan Tilque
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Dan Tilque wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>same name.
>>
>>Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
>>a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
>>guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
>>the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
>>CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
>>using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
>>with the same name)?
>
> By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
> Also the state.
>
> As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
> can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
> aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
> finds evidence of a place outside them.
There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me that
if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a duplicate
of each city on the list... There's a plain old York in Ontario,
isn't there?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
Dan Tilque wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>same name.
>>
>>Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
>>a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
>>guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
>>the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
>>CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
>>using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
>>with the same name)?
>
> By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
> Also the state.
>
> As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
> can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
> aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
> finds evidence of a place outside them.
There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me that
if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a duplicate
of each city on the list... There's a plain old York in Ontario,
isn't there?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> Dan Tilque wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>> same name.
>
> There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
> there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
> York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me
> that if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a
> duplicate of each city on the list... There's a plain old
> York in Ontario, isn't there?
Let me define 'unique' a bit more specifically. To make a name
non-unique, the other place has to have exactly the same name. No
extra words or partial names. That means New York Mills MN is not
the same as New York. Nor are various Yorks the same as New York,
either.
However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
There's several others in the US, not counting the four in
England which don't apply to this question.
Note that the other places have to be in the US, although adding
in Canada does not change the answer to this question. It does
for the bonus question (8 unique names among the top 50), though.
--
Dan Tilque
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> Dan Tilque wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>> "Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>> same name.
>
> There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
> there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
> York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me
> that if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a
> duplicate of each city on the list... There's a plain old
> York in Ontario, isn't there?
Let me define 'unique' a bit more specifically. To make a name
non-unique, the other place has to have exactly the same name. No
extra words or partial names. That means New York Mills MN is not
the same as New York. Nor are various Yorks the same as New York,
either.
However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
There's several others in the US, not counting the four in
England which don't apply to this question.
Note that the other places have to be in the US, although adding
in Canada does not change the answer to this question. It does
for the bonus question (8 unique names among the top 50), though.
--
Dan Tilque
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Dan Tilque wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>
>
>>Dan Tilque wrote:
>>
>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>>>same name.
>>>>>>
>>There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
>>there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
>>York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me
>>that if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a
>>duplicate of each city on the list... There's a plain old
>>York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
>
> Let me define 'unique' a bit more specifically. To make a name
> non-unique, the other place has to have exactly the same name. No
> extra words or partial names. That means New York Mills MN is not
> the same as New York. Nor are various Yorks the same as New York,
> either.
>
> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
> There's several others in the US, not counting the four in
> England which don't apply to this question.
>
> Note that the other places have to be in the US, although adding
> in Canada does not change the answer to this question. It does
> for the bonus question (8 unique names among the top 50), though.
>
Well if New York is out, how about "Oklahoma City"? And I bet there
aren't too many Sault Ste. Maries, but I doubt if its in the 50 largest
US cities.
Clay
Dan Tilque wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>
>
>>Dan Tilque wrote:
>>
>>>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>>>same name.
>>>>>>
>>There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
>>there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
>>York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me
>>that if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a
>>duplicate of each city on the list... There's a plain old
>>York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
>
> Let me define 'unique' a bit more specifically. To make a name
> non-unique, the other place has to have exactly the same name. No
> extra words or partial names. That means New York Mills MN is not
> the same as New York. Nor are various Yorks the same as New York,
> either.
>
> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
> There's several others in the US, not counting the four in
> England which don't apply to this question.
>
> Note that the other places have to be in the US, although adding
> in Canada does not change the answer to this question. It does
> for the bonus question (8 unique names among the top 50), though.
>
Well if New York is out, how about "Oklahoma City"? And I bet there
aren't too many Sault Ste. Maries, but I doubt if its in the 50 largest
US cities.
Clay
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Jeffrey Turner:
> > There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
Not since 1998.
Dan Tilque:
> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
> There's several others in the US...
Okay, how about Chicago, then?
--
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msb@vex.net | than the Mail." -- Peter Neumann
Jeffrey Turner:
> > There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
Not since 1998.
Dan Tilque:
> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
> There's several others in the US...
Okay, how about Chicago, then?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "The E-Mail of the species is more deadly
msb@vex.net | than the Mail." -- Peter Neumann
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Mark Brader wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner:
>
>>>There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
> Not since 1998.
Hydroelectric inundation?
> Dan Tilque:
>
>>However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
>>There's several others in the US...
>
> Okay, how about Chicago, then?
The obvious next guess.![:)]( ":)")
Where are the other New Yorks? Can I use my subway tokens there?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
Mark Brader wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner:
>
>>>There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
> Not since 1998.
Hydroelectric inundation?
> Dan Tilque:
>
>>However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not unique.
>>There's several others in the US...
>
> Okay, how about Chicago, then?
The obvious next guess.
Where are the other New Yorks? Can I use my subway tokens there?
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> Mark Brader wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner:
>>
>>>> There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>>
>> Not since 1998.
>
> Hydroelectric inundation?
Gobbled up by T-town.
>> Dan Tilque:
>>
>>> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not
>>> unique. There's several others in the US...
>>
>> Okay, how about Chicago, then?
Is that your final answer? Maybe I should have made this a
multiple choice question. OK, it's one of these:
A. Chicago
B. Indianapolis
C. Seattle
D. Fort Worth
E. Oklahoma City
F. Tucson
> Where are the other New Yorks? Can I use my subway tokens
> there?
FL, IA, KY, MO, NM, TX. And there used to be New Yorks in GA, MS,
OH, TN, and another in MO. If you can find a subway in any of
them, I'm sure they'd let you use your tokens.
--
Dan Tilque
Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> Mark Brader wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner:
>>
>>>> There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>>
>> Not since 1998.
>
> Hydroelectric inundation?
Gobbled up by T-town.
>> Dan Tilque:
>>
>>> However, as a hint, I'll tell you that New York is not
>>> unique. There's several others in the US...
>>
>> Okay, how about Chicago, then?
Is that your final answer? Maybe I should have made this a
multiple choice question. OK, it's one of these:
A. Chicago
B. Indianapolis
C. Seattle
D. Fort Worth
E. Oklahoma City
F. Tucson
> Where are the other New Yorks? Can I use my subway tokens
> there?
FL, IA, KY, MO, NM, TX. And there used to be New Yorks in GA, MS,
OH, TN, and another in MO. If you can find a subway in any of
them, I'm sure they'd let you use your tokens.
--
Dan Tilque
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Dan Tilque wrote:
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name.
>
> Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the
> top 50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is
> to name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
In answering this, I'm going to answer the bonus question first.
According to GNIS, the 8 unique cities among the largest 50 are:
23. Seattle
27. Fort Worth
29. Oklahoma City
31. New Orleans
35. Albuquerque
38. Virginia Beach[1]
42. Tulsa
47. Colorado Springs
So the answer to the question is Seattle, right? Well, maybe. It
seems that there is, or at least was, a Seattle in Texas:
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/vie...
..html
So the answer is either Seattle or Fort Worth. I was prepared to
accept either answer.
As for Chicago, GNIS has one each in Wisconsin and Michigan.
There also used to be one in Kentucky. A couple pages on the net
say that it's been renamed to St. Francis.
--
Dan Tilque
[1] There's a Virginia Beach in Ontario, which is why the answer
to the bonus question would change if it were extended to Canada.
Dan Tilque wrote:
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name.
>
> Bonus: according to GNIS, there are 8 unique names among the
> top 50 cities. Name as many as you can. Naturally, the idea is
> to name them without doing any queries on GNIS.
In answering this, I'm going to answer the bonus question first.
According to GNIS, the 8 unique cities among the largest 50 are:
23. Seattle
27. Fort Worth
29. Oklahoma City
31. New Orleans
35. Albuquerque
38. Virginia Beach[1]
42. Tulsa
47. Colorado Springs
So the answer to the question is Seattle, right? Well, maybe. It
seems that there is, or at least was, a Seattle in Texas:
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/vie...
..html
So the answer is either Seattle or Fort Worth. I was prepared to
accept either answer.
As for Chicago, GNIS has one each in Wisconsin and Michigan.
There also used to be one in Kentucky. A couple pages on the net
say that it's been renamed to St. Francis.
--
Dan Tilque
[1] There's a Virginia Beach in Ontario, which is why the answer
to the bonus question would change if it were extended to Canada.
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
> recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
> duplicates.
>
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
> link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
Without looking at the link, my answer is Seattle. Since the city
is named after a local Indian chief, I'd expect the name to be unique.
Then again, there might be cities bigger than Seattle that also are
unique.
(Yeah, this posting is coming late, but my ISP's newsfeed was severed
for a couple of days.)
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> We've had questions about duplicate city names in rec.puzzles
> recently. Here's the first of two about cities that don't have
> duplicates.
>
> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name? 'Unique'
> here means that no other place in the US has the same name. The
> link below is to a list of the largest cities in the US.
Without looking at the link, my answer is Seattle. Since the city
is named after a local Indian chief, I'd expect the name to be unique.
Then again, there might be cities bigger than Seattle that also are
unique.
(Yeah, this posting is coming late, but my ISP's newsfeed was severed
for a couple of days.)
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
>>
>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>> same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>> in the US.
>
> Without looking at the link, my answer is Seattle. Since the
> city is named after a local Indian chief, I'd expect the name
> to be unique. Then again, there might be cities bigger than
> Seattle that also are unique.
Congratulations. You got one of two possible answers. I assume by
now you and your ISP have caught up with my answer message and
know what the other is.
BTW, there are only two cities larger than Seattle that have
names derived from Indian words/names: Chicago and Milwaukee.
I've discussed Chicago in another message. There are two other
Milwaukees, one in North Carolina and one in Penn. There's also a
Milwaukie in Oregon, but that one is spelled a bit different.
--
Dan Tilque
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
>>
>> 1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>> 'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>> same name. The link below is to a list of the largest cities
>> in the US.
>
> Without looking at the link, my answer is Seattle. Since the
> city is named after a local Indian chief, I'd expect the name
> to be unique. Then again, there might be cities bigger than
> Seattle that also are unique.
Congratulations. You got one of two possible answers. I assume by
now you and your ISP have caught up with my answer message and
know what the other is.
BTW, there are only two cities larger than Seattle that have
names derived from Indian words/names: Chicago and Milwaukee.
I've discussed Chicago in another message. There are two other
Milwaukees, one in North Carolina and one in Penn. There's also a
Milwaukie in Oregon, but that one is spelled a bit different.
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> Congratulations. You got one of two possible answers. I assume by
> now you and your ISP have caught up with my answer message and
> know what the other is.
Actually, I don't think that particular posting have made it here yet.
But there is always Google...
I should consider myself that I never looked at the link you posted with
your original puzzle. In that case, I would have gone by Indianapolis.
I was stunned when I saw that list. "Isn't Seattle larger than this?".
But I see on citypopulation.de that the metropolitan area is over three
millions, which makes more sense to me.
(Seattle is the only place in the US I've been to.)
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> Congratulations. You got one of two possible answers. I assume by
> now you and your ISP have caught up with my answer message and
> know what the other is.
Actually, I don't think that particular posting have made it here yet.
But there is always Google...
I should consider myself that I never looked at the link you posted with
your original puzzle. In that case, I would have gone by Indianapolis.
I was stunned when I saw that list. "Isn't Seattle larger than this?".
But I see on citypopulation.de that the metropolitan area is over three
millions, which makes more sense to me.
(Seattle is the only place in the US I've been to.)
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>
> I was stunned when I saw that list. "Isn't Seattle larger than
> this?". But I see on citypopulation.de that the metropolitan
> area is over three millions, which makes more sense to me.
If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
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Dan Tilque
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>
> I was stunned when I saw that list. "Isn't Seattle larger than
> this?". But I see on citypopulation.de that the metropolitan
> area is over three millions, which makes more sense to me.
If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
But there are other "Local Government Areas" that are bigger than the
the Area that gives name to the "Principal Urban Centres".
Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative borders
may differ considerably with the general notion of the place. You could
use numbers for metropolitan areas, but unfortunately neither they are
clearcut and may depend on local quirks.
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Dan Tilque (dtilque@nwlink.com) writes:
> If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
But there are other "Local Government Areas" that are bigger than the
the Area that gives name to the "Principal Urban Centres".
Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative borders
may differ considerably with the general notion of the place. You could
use numbers for metropolitan areas, but unfortunately neither they are
clearcut and may depend on local quirks.
--
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Dan Tilque:
> > If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> > Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> > are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> > small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
Erland Sommarskog:
> Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
> some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
> Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
> knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
About 7,000, in fact. Also of interest is that "London" is generally
cited as the capital of England and of the UK, when the seat of govern-
ment is actually in the adjacent City of Westminster (of considerably
larger area, and population about 180,000). Obviously "London" as
used here here means the conurbation, or the major part of it, and
not the City itself.
> That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative
> borders may differ considerably with the general notion of the place.
True. As well as cases like the above, the reverse also occurs;
for example, the entire island of Oahu is under a single municipal
government, the City and County of Honolulu.
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Dan Tilque:
> > If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> > Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> > are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> > small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
Erland Sommarskog:
> Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
> some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
> Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
> knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
About 7,000, in fact. Also of interest is that "London" is generally
cited as the capital of England and of the UK, when the seat of govern-
ment is actually in the adjacent City of Westminster (of considerably
larger area, and population about 180,000). Obviously "London" as
used here here means the conurbation, or the major part of it, and
not the City itself.
> That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative
> borders may differ considerably with the general notion of the place.
True. As well as cases like the above, the reverse also occurs;
for example, the entire island of Oahu is under a single municipal
government, the City and County of Honolulu.
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msb@vex.net | not agree with me, which just goes to show how wrong
Toronto | dictionaries can be." --Gary Williams
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Is it possible that when you say "the City of London" you are
referring to what is commonly referred to as "the City", i.e. the
financial district... which was shelled by the IRA a few years back?
And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
challenging, the country must have only one capital.
It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
Did you know that Henry Miller was not born in New York City?
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in message news:<108od7t7247hsc5@corp.supernews.com>...
> Dan Tilque:
> > > If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> > > Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> > > are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> > > small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
>
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
> > some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
> > Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
> > knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
>
> About 7,000, in fact. Also of interest is that "London" is generally
> cited as the capital of England and of the UK, when the seat of govern-
> ment is actually in the adjacent City of Westminster (of considerably
> larger area, and population about 180,000). Obviously "London" as
> used here here means the conurbation, or the major part of it, and
> not the City itself.
>
> > That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative
> > borders may differ considerably with the general notion of the place.
>
> True. As well as cases like the above, the reverse also occurs;
> for example, the entire island of Oahu is under a single municipal
> government, the City and County of Honolulu.
Is it possible that when you say "the City of London" you are
referring to what is commonly referred to as "the City", i.e. the
financial district... which was shelled by the IRA a few years back?
And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
challenging, the country must have only one capital.
It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
Did you know that Henry Miller was not born in New York City?
msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote in message news:<108od7t7247hsc5@corp.supernews.com>...
> Dan Tilque:
> > > If you want to see some extreme cases of that, check out Sydney,
> > > Melbourne, Adelaide, and Perth, Australia. All these metro areas
> > > are over 1m, yet the cities with those names are all rather
> > > small. The largest is Melbourne with some 68,000 people.
>
> Erland Sommarskog:
> > Another example is London. London is listed in citypopulation.de with
> > some 7-8 million people, and I would guess that this is the area that
> > Ken Livingstone rules over. But anyone who has been to City of London,
> > knows that there cannot be very many people living in that area.
>
> About 7,000, in fact. Also of interest is that "London" is generally
> cited as the capital of England and of the UK, when the seat of govern-
> ment is actually in the adjacent City of Westminster (of considerably
> larger area, and population about 180,000). Obviously "London" as
> used here here means the conurbation, or the major part of it, and
> not the City itself.
>
> > That is a problem with these sorts of questions. The adminstrative
> > borders may differ considerably with the general notion of the place.
>
> True. As well as cases like the above, the reverse also occurs;
> for example, the entire island of Oahu is under a single municipal
> government, the City and County of Honolulu.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> Is it possible that when you say "the City of London" you are
> referring to what is commonly referred to as "the City", i.e. the
> financial district... which was shelled by the IRA a few years back?
Yes, that is what Mark refers to. If you walk the streets of City
of London, you will find that the signs with the street names bears
the name "City of London". If you walk westwards, at some point the
signs with read "City of Westminster" or "City of Holborn". Further
afield is the "Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea".
(Note: I'm a little dim on the exact status of Holborn.)
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> Is it possible that when you say "the City of London" you are
> referring to what is commonly referred to as "the City", i.e. the
> financial district... which was shelled by the IRA a few years back?
Yes, that is what Mark refers to. If you walk the streets of City
of London, you will find that the signs with the street names bears
the name "City of London". If you walk westwards, at some point the
signs with read "City of Westminster" or "City of Holborn". Further
afield is the "Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea".
(Note: I'm a little dim on the exact status of Holborn.)
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> challenging, the country must have only one capital.
You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
capital.
> It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
> situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
I guess the thing is that the "city" includes a lot countryside area which
is not very densly populated.
Way back when Sweden still formally had cities, the world's greatest city
by area was Kiruna. Most of that "city" was roadless wasteland.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> challenging, the country must have only one capital.
You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
capital.
> It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
> situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
I guess the thing is that the "city" includes a lot countryside area which
is not very densly populated.
Way back when Sweden still formally had cities, the world's greatest city
by area was Kiruna. Most of that "city" was roadless wasteland.
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Erland Sommarskog <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message news:<Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1>...
in response to TeaBag420 writing:
> > It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
> > situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
>
> I guess the thing is that the "city" includes a lot countryside area which
> is not very densly populated.
Yes, and the women wear skirts and the men wear pants, so what? And
besides, it's not "the city" it's "The City and County of Honolulu",
with an area of 1560 square kilometers. Kindly keep your nose out of
our wahinis. That's some fine poontang, bruddah.
Erland Sommarskog <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message news:<Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1>...
in response to TeaBag420 writing:
> > It's hard to see what you find unusual about the Oahu/Honolulu
> > situation. One city, one county, one island. This is not strange.
>
> I guess the thing is that the "city" includes a lot countryside area which
> is not very densly populated.
Yes, and the women wear skirts and the men wear pants, so what? And
besides, it's not "the city" it's "The City and County of Honolulu",
with an area of 1560 square kilometers. Kindly keep your nose out of
our wahinis. That's some fine poontang, bruddah.
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"Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
>
> You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
Israel is one example.
To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland China
in Taiwan?
>
> What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> capital.
>
Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
<snip>
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"Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
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> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
>
> You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
Israel is one example.
To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland China
in Taiwan?
>
> What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> capital.
>
Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
<snip>
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Empire in 1914 not so much to create a debt of gratitude or to prove itself
as a nation, but rather to sustain a security system within which it
believed all the country's defence needs could be met at an acceptable
cost." _The Path to Gallipoli_ 1991 Ian McGibbon
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Based on my cursory reading, Amsterdam is indeed the capital yet not
the seat of government of the Netherlands.
http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_ITEM=MBZ300152#TO...
Israel was indeed the country I was thinking of.
>To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland
China
> in Taiwan?
"Claiming" is the problem. There is no one on Taiwan today who is
either a de facto or de jure ruler of China. You might as well ask
about Emperor Norton of San Francisco.
> >
> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> > than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> > capital.
Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
Some would say Israel, but that's on the downlow.
Would you consider the heir of the Shah of Iran the king of his
country? I'm not sure I would.
If you want to consider a country that hasn't had a queen for about
a thousand years (and that would be changing the letter, though
perhaps not the inent of the puzzle), Tibet is an easy answer.
Doesn't Spain still have a king? And Albania?
But, the puzzle says "king and queen". I don't want to be a
puzzle-changer.
"Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6ir04$3jh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> >
> > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
>
> Israel is one example.
> To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland China
> in Taiwan?
>
> >
> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> > than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> > capital.
> >
>
> Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
>
> <snip>
Based on my cursory reading, Amsterdam is indeed the capital yet not
the seat of government of the Netherlands.
http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_ITEM=MBZ300152#TO...
Israel was indeed the country I was thinking of.
>To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland
China
> in Taiwan?
"Claiming" is the problem. There is no one on Taiwan today who is
either a de facto or de jure ruler of China. You might as well ask
about Emperor Norton of San Francisco.
> >
> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> > than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> > capital.
Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
Some would say Israel, but that's on the downlow.
Would you consider the heir of the Shah of Iran the king of his
country? I'm not sure I would.
If you want to consider a country that hasn't had a queen for about
a thousand years (and that would be changing the letter, though
perhaps not the inent of the puzzle), Tibet is an easy answer.
Doesn't Spain still have a king? And Albania?
But, the puzzle says "king and queen". I don't want to be a
puzzle-changer.
"Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c6ir04$3jh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> >
> > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
>
> Israel is one example.
> To get tricky, are there still people claiming to represent mainland China
> in Taiwan?
>
> >
> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
> > than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any alternative
> > capital.
> >
>
> Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
>
> <snip>
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"Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> writes:
> "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> >
> > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
>
> Israel is one example.
Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
embassies are in Tel Aviv.
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"Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> writes:
> "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> >
> > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
>
> Israel is one example.
Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
embassies are in Tel Aviv.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> Israel was indeed the country I was thinking of.
Israel seems problematic. Seems that not everyone agrees with Israel
what is its capital.
> "Claiming" is the problem. There is no one on Taiwan today who is
> either a de facto or de jure ruler of China. You might as well ask
> about Emperor Norton of San Francisco.
On the other hand, they better maintain the claim, or else the mainland
is very likely to get naughty with them.
>> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere
>> > else than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>> > alternative capital.
>
> Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
Nope. The Netherlands does not have a king, so they are out. And I'm
not thinkin of deposed kings, but those who are on the throne today.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> Israel was indeed the country I was thinking of.
Israel seems problematic. Seems that not everyone agrees with Israel
what is its capital.
> "Claiming" is the problem. There is no one on Taiwan today who is
> either a de facto or de jure ruler of China. You might as well ask
> about Emperor Norton of San Francisco.
On the other hand, they better maintain the claim, or else the mainland
is very likely to get naughty with them.
>> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere
>> > else than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>> > alternative capital.
>
> Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
Nope. The Netherlands does not have a king, so they are out. And I'm
not thinkin of deposed kings, but those who are on the throne today.
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
>>> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere
>>> > else than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>>> > alternative capital.
>>
>> Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
>
> Nope. The Netherlands does not have a king, so they are out. And I'm
> not thinkin of deposed kings, but those who are on the throne today.
The Netherlands has a Queen.
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- Martin Luther King
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
>>> > What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere
>>> > else than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>>> > alternative capital.
>>
>> Again, the Netherlands, but see the qualification below.
>
> Nope. The Netherlands does not have a king, so they are out. And I'm
> not thinkin of deposed kings, but those who are on the throne today.
The Netherlands has a Queen.
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grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) wrote in message
> Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
> capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
> embassies are in Tel Aviv.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
End of sentence.
The embassies are in Tel Aviv so as not to piss off the Arabs. Also,
the real estate situation there is better.
grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) wrote in message
> Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
> capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
> embassies are in Tel Aviv.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
End of sentence.
The embassies are in Tel Aviv so as not to piss off the Arabs. Also,
the real estate situation there is better.
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"David J. Grabiner" <grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote in message
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> "Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> > >
> > > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
> >
> > Israel is one example.
>
> Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
> capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
> embassies are in Tel Aviv.
>
Given that countries nearly always place their embassies (there are more
exceptions with consulates) with the seat of government of the host country,
the situation is implicitly allowed for in the question IMO.
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"David J. Grabiner" <grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote in message
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> "Errol Cavit" <errolc@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > "Erland Sommarskog" <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94D781DFA7CF2Yazorman@127.0.0.1...
> > > Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > > > And surely you know of at least one other country whose capital and
> > > > seat of government occupy two different cities? To make it more
> > > > challenging, the country must have only one capital.
> > >
> > > You might be thinking of the Netherlands? The Hague is often counted
> > > as a captial, but officially I don't think it is.
> >
> > Israel is one example.
>
> Israel is a questionable example. Israel considers Jerusalem its
> capital, but only a few other countries recognize that; most of the
> embassies are in Tel Aviv.
>
Given that countries nearly always place their embassies (there are more
exceptions with consulates) with the seat of government of the host country,
the situation is implicitly allowed for in the question IMO.
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Empire in 1914 not so much to create a debt of gratitude or to prove itself
as a nation, but rather to sustain a security system within which it
believed all the country's defence needs could be met at an acceptable
cost." _The Path to Gallipoli_ 1991 Ian McGibbon
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
> the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
> End of sentence.
So if the Swedish government declares Copenhagen to be the Swedish
capital?
And this question is not without analogy. After all, not only does many
countries don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Also, they do
not recongnize entire Jerusalem to be part of Israel.
--
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
> the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
> End of sentence.
So if the Swedish government declares Copenhagen to be the Swedish
capital?
And this question is not without analogy. After all, not only does many
countries don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Also, they do
not recongnize entire Jerusalem to be part of Israel.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> A. Taiwan doesn't pretend to rule all China
> B. Not pretending to rule all China is not synonymous with
> declaring oneself an independent state. By your reasoning, Provence
> is an independent state, as is Puerto Rico, as is Antartica.
When the communists took over China, the old régime managed to escape
to Taiwan, and brought 1.5 million people with them. (There were only
six million on Taiwan at the time.) From there they claimed to be the
legal government of China. While Taiwan has gone through a couple of
changes and is now a democratic state, it has not, as far as I know,
formally not given up the claim to be the legal government of China.
In practice, Taiwan is an independent state, but any attempt to really
act like one causes a lot of irritation on the mainland. So better
they things be like they always have been.
>> Thus republics or countries with female or bachelor regents are out.
>> You know, in these newsgroups we usually don't spell out such details
>> in clear, but people who take stabs at the puzzles/trivia have to avoid
>> the pitfalls themselves.
>
> "republics or countries"? Interesting. Please name a republic
> which is not a country.
Tuva. Adgygea. Mordovia. Sakha. To name a few.
But else I did write "republics or countries with..."
> The question of regents is a red herring. I never mentioned a
> country with a regent. But since a regent often rules DURING THE
> LIFETIME OF THE SOVEREIGN, I fail to see why that would even be an
> issue. Perhaps when you say "regent" you mean "king" or "queen".
Yes. English is not my native language, and in Swedish you can indeed
use "regent" to refer to a king or queen (or duke, emperor whatever)
in general.
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> A. Taiwan doesn't pretend to rule all China
> B. Not pretending to rule all China is not synonymous with
> declaring oneself an independent state. By your reasoning, Provence
> is an independent state, as is Puerto Rico, as is Antartica.
When the communists took over China, the old régime managed to escape
to Taiwan, and brought 1.5 million people with them. (There were only
six million on Taiwan at the time.) From there they claimed to be the
legal government of China. While Taiwan has gone through a couple of
changes and is now a democratic state, it has not, as far as I know,
formally not given up the claim to be the legal government of China.
In practice, Taiwan is an independent state, but any attempt to really
act like one causes a lot of irritation on the mainland. So better
they things be like they always have been.
>> Thus republics or countries with female or bachelor regents are out.
>> You know, in these newsgroups we usually don't spell out such details
>> in clear, but people who take stabs at the puzzles/trivia have to avoid
>> the pitfalls themselves.
>
> "republics or countries"? Interesting. Please name a republic
> which is not a country.
Tuva. Adgygea. Mordovia. Sakha. To name a few.
But else I did write "republics or countries with..."
> The question of regents is a red herring. I never mentioned a
> country with a regent. But since a regent often rules DURING THE
> LIFETIME OF THE SOVEREIGN, I fail to see why that would even be an
> issue. Perhaps when you say "regent" you mean "king" or "queen".
Yes. English is not my native language, and in Swedish you can indeed
use "regent" to refer to a king or queen (or duke, emperor whatever)
in general.
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Errol Cavit (errolc@hotmail.com) writes:
>> What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
>> than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>> alternative capital.
>>
>
> Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
Save that fine detail, that they don't have any king.
The answer I had in mind was Sweden. Yes, there is a royal castle in
centre of Stockholm, but the king and the queen(*) don't live there.
Instead they spend their days at the castle of Drottningholm which is
in Ekerö commune, which is just outside Stockholm.
(*) Or as they usually are referred to over here: "the king and Silvia".
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Errol Cavit (errolc@hotmail.com) writes:
>> What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
>> than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>> alternative capital.
>>
>
> Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
Save that fine detail, that they don't have any king.
The answer I had in mind was Sweden. Yes, there is a royal castle in
centre of Stockholm, but the king and the queen(*) don't live there.
Instead they spend their days at the castle of Drottningholm which is
in Ekerö commune, which is just outside Stockholm.
(*) Or as they usually are referred to over here: "the king and Silvia".
--
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Errol Cavit (errolc@hotmail.com) writes:
>
>>>What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
>>>than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>>>alternative capital.
>>>
>>
>>Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
>
>
> Save that fine detail, that they don't have any king.
>
> The answer I had in mind was Sweden. Yes, there is a royal castle in
> centre of Stockholm, but the king and the queen(*) don't live there.
> Instead they spend their days at the castle of Drottningholm which is
> in Ekerö commune, which is just outside Stockholm.
>
>
> (*) Or as they usually are referred to over here: "the king and Silvia".
That's one of the advantages of being king and queen, they don't have
to commute. I've heard the commute into Stockholm is a bear.
Happy Sweden Day! Oops, I typed that in the wrong order. Happy
Wednesday!
--Jeff
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Errol Cavit (errolc@hotmail.com) writes:
>
>>>What about a country where the king and the queen lives somewhere else
>>>than the capital? And in this case there is definitely not any
>>>alternative capital.
>>>
>>
>>Much of the British Commonwealth for starters...
>
>
> Save that fine detail, that they don't have any king.
>
> The answer I had in mind was Sweden. Yes, there is a royal castle in
> centre of Stockholm, but the king and the queen(*) don't live there.
> Instead they spend their days at the castle of Drottningholm which is
> in Ekerö commune, which is just outside Stockholm.
>
>
> (*) Or as they usually are referred to over here: "the king and Silvia".
That's one of the advantages of being king and queen, they don't have
to commute. I've heard the commute into Stockholm is a bear.
Happy Sweden Day! Oops, I typed that in the wrong order. Happy
Wednesday!
--Jeff
--
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Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
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left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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It would be an ad hominem attack to say that you are insane, but I
will say that your reasoning is weak, weak as water. And I believe I
am unanimous in that.
A better analogy would be the Palestinian claim that Jerusalem is
their capital. Oops! No country yet!
Now that I've dropped some science on you, hopefully you will do
better next time.
Erland Sommarskog <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message news:<Xns94D95E43084B2Yazorman@127.0.0.1>...
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
> > the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
> > End of sentence.
>
> So if the Swedish government declares Copenhagen to be the Swedish
> capital?
>
> And this question is not without analogy. After all, not only does many
> countries don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Also, they do
> not recongnize entire Jerusalem to be part of Israel.
It would be an ad hominem attack to say that you are insane, but I
will say that your reasoning is weak, weak as water. And I believe I
am unanimous in that.
A better analogy would be the Palestinian claim that Jerusalem is
their capital. Oops! No country yet!
Now that I've dropped some science on you, hopefully you will do
better next time.
Erland Sommarskog <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message news:<Xns94D95E43084B2Yazorman@127.0.0.1>...
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE. The government of
> > the country gets to say where the capital is. Period. Full stop.
> > End of sentence.
>
> So if the Swedish government declares Copenhagen to be the Swedish
> capital?
>
> And this question is not without analogy. After all, not only does many
> countries don't recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Also, they do
> not recongnize entire Jerusalem to be part of Israel.
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:23:36 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
>Dan Tilque wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>>same name.
>>>
>>>Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
>>>a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
>>>guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
>>>the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
>>>CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
>>>using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
>>>with the same name)?
>>
>> By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
>> Also the state.
>>
>> As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
>> can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
>> aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
>> finds evidence of a place outside them.
>
>There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
>there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
>York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me that
>if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a duplicate
>of each city on the list... There's a plain old York in Ontario,
>isn't there?
>
>--Jeff
York used to be the name of what is now Toronto. Until 1999 there was
North York (a city) and East York (a borough) which amalgamated with
Toronto. Both names are still in common usage.
Dr Z (From the former North
York)
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:23:36 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
>Dan Tilque wrote:
>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>>"Dan Tilque" <dtilque@nwlink.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>1. What is the largest US city that has a unique name?
>>>>>>'Unique' here means that no other place in the US has the
>>>>>>same name.
>>>
>>>Well, if you select the names from the list then each city has
>>>a unique name - isn't that true by definition? By "place," I
>>>guess you're implying that there's a conflict between New York
>>>the state and New York the city (or New York the mountains in
>>>CA). There's a Los Angeles in Texas. What criteria are you
>>>using to prove the negative (there's no other place in the US
>>>with the same name)?
>>
>> By place, I mean populated place. So the mountains are right out.
>> Also the state.
>>
>> As far as proving the negative, I can't do it any more than you
>> can. But there are large databases with US placenames. If they
>> aren't in any of those, we'll consider it proven unless someone
>> finds evidence of a place outside them.
>
>There's a "New York Mills" in Minnesota but I'd be surprised if
>there's another New York in North America. There's an East New
>York in Brooklyn and a West New York in Joisey. Seems to me that
>if you ask the question backwards, where can you find a duplicate
>of each city on the list... There's a plain old York in Ontario,
>isn't there?
>
>--Jeff
York used to be the name of what is now Toronto. Until 1999 there was
North York (a city) and East York (a borough) which amalgamated with
Toronto. Both names are still in common usage.
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
>> The question of regents is a red herring. I never mentioned a
>> country with a regent. But since a regent often rules DURING THE
>> LIFETIME OF THE SOVEREIGN, I fail to see why that would even be an
>> issue. Perhaps when you say "regent" you mean "king" or "queen".
>
> Yes. English is not my native language, and in Swedish you can indeed
> use "regent" to refer to a king or queen (or duke, emperor whatever)
> in general.
You can in English, too.
--
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Kill, kill, kill
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
>> The question of regents is a red herring. I never mentioned a
>> country with a regent. But since a regent often rules DURING THE
>> LIFETIME OF THE SOVEREIGN, I fail to see why that would even be an
>> issue. Perhaps when you say "regent" you mean "king" or "queen".
>
> Yes. English is not my native language, and in Swedish you can indeed
> use "regent" to refer to a king or queen (or duke, emperor whatever)
> in general.
You can in English, too.
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> > There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
> York used to be the name of what is now Toronto.
Not *that* York, the *other* York.
> Until 1999
Until December 31, 1997
> there was North York (a city) and East York (a borough)
And York (another city, the one that was mentioned)
> which amalgamated with Toronto.
There's still the Regional Municipality of York, too ("York Region" for
short), but that's a county-level entity, not a city.
Look, it's simple. Before 1834 you had the Town of York (town = urban
area), surrounded by the Township of York (township = survey unit,
or later a rural area with municipal-level government, outside a city),
forming part of the County of York.
The Town of York was renamed Toronto when it became a city, and through
a series of amalgamations up to about 1912, absorbed a large part of the
area of the township. Two parts of the township just outside the city
limit became urbanized but decided not that rather than joining the city,
they would ask to be made separate townships. This was done in two
stages around 1922. The western one had the most population, so it
kept the name of York Township; the other urban one became East York,
and the rural remainder of the township became North York.
In 1954, when North York had also become considerably urbanized, the
federated Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto was created, including
all three townships along with two others (Scarborough and Etobicoke,
in which the "ke" is silent), six towns and villages, and the City of
Toronto.
In 1967 the 5 townships within Metro Toronto were redesignated boroughs,
and a reorganization amalgamated each of the six towns and villages into
adjacent boroughs or the city. In the 1980s the Borough of North York
asked for redesignation as a city and this was granted; three other
boroughs followed suit, but not East York. Then in 1998 the federated
structure was swept away and amalgamated into a single enlarged City of
Toronto.
Meanwhile at some point, I think around 1980, the part of York County
that hadn't been taken into Metro Toronto was redesignated York Region.
Get it? Got it? Good.
> Both names are still in common usage.
True; many former names of boroughs, towns, and villages now within
Toronto are used as ways of speaking of districts or neighborhoods.
I say I live in North Toronto, which is one of the towns amalgamated
into Toronto around 1912 and now is actually at the geographical center
of the city (since the city grew from the lake, the city center or
downtown is by the lake, south of the geographical center).
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> > There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
> York used to be the name of what is now Toronto.
Not *that* York, the *other* York.
> Until 1999
Until December 31, 1997
> there was North York (a city) and East York (a borough)
And York (another city, the one that was mentioned)
> which amalgamated with Toronto.
There's still the Regional Municipality of York, too ("York Region" for
short), but that's a county-level entity, not a city.
Look, it's simple. Before 1834 you had the Town of York (town = urban
area), surrounded by the Township of York (township = survey unit,
or later a rural area with municipal-level government, outside a city),
forming part of the County of York.
The Town of York was renamed Toronto when it became a city, and through
a series of amalgamations up to about 1912, absorbed a large part of the
area of the township. Two parts of the township just outside the city
limit became urbanized but decided not that rather than joining the city,
they would ask to be made separate townships. This was done in two
stages around 1922. The western one had the most population, so it
kept the name of York Township; the other urban one became East York,
and the rural remainder of the township became North York.
In 1954, when North York had also become considerably urbanized, the
federated Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto was created, including
all three townships along with two others (Scarborough and Etobicoke,
in which the "ke" is silent), six towns and villages, and the City of
Toronto.
In 1967 the 5 townships within Metro Toronto were redesignated boroughs,
and a reorganization amalgamated each of the six towns and villages into
adjacent boroughs or the city. In the 1980s the Borough of North York
asked for redesignation as a city and this was granted; three other
boroughs followed suit, but not East York. Then in 1998 the federated
structure was swept away and amalgamated into a single enlarged City of
Toronto.
Meanwhile at some point, I think around 1980, the part of York County
that hadn't been taken into Metro Toronto was redesignated York Region.
Get it? Got it? Good.
> Both names are still in common usage.
True; many former names of boroughs, towns, and villages now within
Toronto are used as ways of speaking of districts or neighborhoods.
I say I live in North Toronto, which is one of the towns amalgamated
into Toronto around 1912 and now is actually at the geographical center
of the city (since the city grew from the lake, the city center or
downtown is by the lake, south of the geographical center).
--
Mark Brader "The worst things may happen, including a program
Toronto that works fine on your computer but crashes
msb@vex.net on your customer's machine." -- Dan Pop
My text in this article is in the public domain.
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Mark Brader wrote:
>>>There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
>
>>York used to be the name of what is now Toronto.
>
>
> Not *that* York, the *other* York.
>
>
>>Until 1999
>
>
> Until December 31, 1997
>
>
>>there was North York (a city) and East York (a borough)
>
>
> And York (another city, the one that was mentioned)
>
>
>>which amalgamated with Toronto.
>
>
> There's still the Regional Municipality of York, too ("York Region" for
> short), but that's a county-level entity, not a city.
>
> Look, it's simple. Before 1834 you had the Town of York (town = urban
> area), surrounded by the Township of York (township = survey unit,
> or later a rural area with municipal-level government, outside a city),
> forming part of the County of York.
>
> The Town of York was renamed Toronto when it became a city, and through
> a series of amalgamations up to about 1912, absorbed a large part of the
> area of the township. Two parts of the township just outside the city
> limit became urbanized but decided not that rather than joining the city,
> they would ask to be made separate townships. This was done in two
> stages around 1922. The western one had the most population, so it
> kept the name of York Township; the other urban one became East York,
> and the rural remainder of the township became North York.
>
> In 1954, when North York had also become considerably urbanized, the
> federated Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto was created, including
> all three townships along with two others (Scarborough and Etobicoke,
> in which the "ke" is silent), six towns and villages, and the City of
> Toronto.
>
> In 1967 the 5 townships within Metro Toronto were redesignated boroughs,
> and a reorganization amalgamated each of the six towns and villages into
> adjacent boroughs or the city. In the 1980s the Borough of North York
> asked for redesignation as a city and this was granted; three other
> boroughs followed suit, but not East York. Then in 1998 the federated
> structure was swept away and amalgamated into a single enlarged City of
> Toronto.
>
> Meanwhile at some point, I think around 1980, the part of York County
> that hadn't been taken into Metro Toronto was redesignated York Region.
>
> Get it? Got it? Good.
>
>
>>Both names are still in common usage.
>
>
> True; many former names of boroughs, towns, and villages now within
> Toronto are used as ways of speaking of districts or neighborhoods.
> I say I live in North Toronto, which is one of the towns amalgamated
> into Toronto around 1912 and now is actually at the geographical center
> of the city (since the city grew from the lake, the city center or
> downtown is by the lake, south of the geographical center).
So where did the name Toronto come from? ObTrivia: This month is the
hundredth anniversary of Toronto's Great Fire.
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
Mark Brader wrote:
>>>There's a plain old York in Ontario, isn't there?
>
>
>>York used to be the name of what is now Toronto.
>
>
> Not *that* York, the *other* York.
>
>
>>Until 1999
>
>
> Until December 31, 1997
>
>
>>there was North York (a city) and East York (a borough)
>
>
> And York (another city, the one that was mentioned)
>
>
>>which amalgamated with Toronto.
>
>
> There's still the Regional Municipality of York, too ("York Region" for
> short), but that's a county-level entity, not a city.
>
> Look, it's simple. Before 1834 you had the Town of York (town = urban
> area), surrounded by the Township of York (township = survey unit,
> or later a rural area with municipal-level government, outside a city),
> forming part of the County of York.
>
> The Town of York was renamed Toronto when it became a city, and through
> a series of amalgamations up to about 1912, absorbed a large part of the
> area of the township. Two parts of the township just outside the city
> limit became urbanized but decided not that rather than joining the city,
> they would ask to be made separate townships. This was done in two
> stages around 1922. The western one had the most population, so it
> kept the name of York Township; the other urban one became East York,
> and the rural remainder of the township became North York.
>
> In 1954, when North York had also become considerably urbanized, the
> federated Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto was created, including
> all three townships along with two others (Scarborough and Etobicoke,
> in which the "ke" is silent), six towns and villages, and the City of
> Toronto.
>
> In 1967 the 5 townships within Metro Toronto were redesignated boroughs,
> and a reorganization amalgamated each of the six towns and villages into
> adjacent boroughs or the city. In the 1980s the Borough of North York
> asked for redesignation as a city and this was granted; three other
> boroughs followed suit, but not East York. Then in 1998 the federated
> structure was swept away and amalgamated into a single enlarged City of
> Toronto.
>
> Meanwhile at some point, I think around 1980, the part of York County
> that hadn't been taken into Metro Toronto was redesignated York Region.
>
> Get it? Got it? Good.
>
>
>>Both names are still in common usage.
>
>
> True; many former names of boroughs, towns, and villages now within
> Toronto are used as ways of speaking of districts or neighborhoods.
> I say I live in North Toronto, which is one of the towns amalgamated
> into Toronto around 1912 and now is actually at the geographical center
> of the city (since the city grew from the lake, the city center or
> downtown is by the lake, south of the geographical center).
So where did the name Toronto come from? ObTrivia: This month is the
hundredth anniversary of Toronto's Great Fire.
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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I (Mark Brader) wrote:
> ... six towns and villages ...
Seven. Long Branch, New Toronto, Mimico, Swansea, Weston, Forest Hill,
and Leaside. That's seven.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto, msb@vex.net | "...but I could be wromg." --Rodney Boyd
I (Mark Brader) wrote:
> ... six towns and villages ...
Seven. Long Branch, New Toronto, Mimico, Swansea, Weston, Forest Hill,
and Leaside. That's seven.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto, msb@vex.net | "...but I could be wromg." --Rodney Boyd
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Commuting in most city areas is often a pain. Stockholm is not likely
> to be the worst in the game. The worst I've ever seen is some streets
> in inner London. I jumped on the bus on Tottenham Court Road, because
> I was tired and needed to rest my legs, and figured that I could be
> still be moving. But when I had recovered, I jumped of the bus,
> because walking was faster.
I've not been in Central London for a while, but by all accounts, the 5
UKP congestion charge has reduced car traffic by something like
20%. Cycling numbers are going up.
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"It ain't the heat, it's the humility."
- Yogi Berra
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Commuting in most city areas is often a pain. Stockholm is not likely
> to be the worst in the game. The worst I've ever seen is some streets
> in inner London. I jumped on the bus on Tottenham Court Road, because
> I was tired and needed to rest my legs, and figured that I could be
> still be moving. But when I had recovered, I jumped of the bus,
> because walking was faster.
I've not been in Central London for a while, but by all accounts, the 5
UKP congestion charge has reduced car traffic by something like
20%. Cycling numbers are going up.
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"It ain't the heat, it's the humility."
- Yogi Berra
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Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> A better analogy would be the Palestinian claim that Jerusalem is
> their capital. Oops! No country yet!
Palestine does have a country code according to ISO3166.
But apart from that I would be hesitant to call it a country. A virtual
country maybe? :-)
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> A better analogy would be the Palestinian claim that Jerusalem is
> their capital. Oops! No country yet!
Palestine does have a country code according to ISO3166.
But apart from that I would be hesitant to call it a country. A virtual
country maybe? :-)
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
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Jeffrey Turner (jturner@localnet.com) writes:
> I heard on the radio this morning that tomorrow is Saddam Hussein's
> 67th. But I'll get a nice card for your king, what's his name?
Carl XVI Gustaf. I usually refer to him as C-G, but that's me.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
Jeffrey Turner (jturner@localnet.com) writes:
> I heard on the radio this morning that tomorrow is Saddam Hussein's
> 67th. But I'll get a nice card for your king, what's his name?
Carl XVI Gustaf. I usually refer to him as C-G, but that's me.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner (jturner@localnet.com) writes:
>> I heard on the radio this morning that tomorrow is Saddam Hussein's
>> 67th. But I'll get a nice card for your king, what's his name?
>
> Carl XVI Gustaf. I usually refer to him as C-G, but that's me.
Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Kill, kill, kill
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Jeffrey Turner (jturner@localnet.com) writes:
>> I heard on the radio this morning that tomorrow is Saddam Hussein's
>> 67th. But I'll get a nice card for your king, what's his name?
>
> Carl XVI Gustaf. I usually refer to him as C-G, but that's me.
Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Kill, kill, kill
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Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
Because the sky is blue.
Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
the names.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
Because the sky is blue.
Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
the names.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
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Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
>> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
>
> Because the sky is blue.
>
> Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
> the names.
So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich"
- Peter Ustinov
Erland Sommarskog wrote:
> Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
>> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
>
> Because the sky is blue.
>
> Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
> the names.
So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich"
- Peter Ustinov
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Keith Willoughby wrote:
> Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>>Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
>>
>>>Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
>>
>>Because the sky is blue.
>>
>>Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
>>the names.
>
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
That's the sixth Carl X Gustaf, or the sixteenth...
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
Keith Willoughby wrote:
> Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>>Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
>>
>>>Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
>>
>>Because the sky is blue.
>>
>>Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
>>the names.
>
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
That's the sixth Carl X Gustaf, or the sixteenth...
--Jeff
--
A man, a plan, a cat, a canal - Panama!
Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it. --George Santayana
Unthinking respect for authority is the
greatest enemy of truth. --Albert Einstein
Freedom's just another word for nothing
left to lose. --Kris Kristofferson
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Keith Willoughby <keith@flat222.org> wrote in message news:<873c6nwx86.fsf@flat222.dyndns.org>...
> Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>
> > Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> >> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
> >
> > Because the sky is blue.
> >
> > Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
> > the names.
>
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
He is the 16th Carl (or Karl). The number disregards the Gustaf.
Karl XIV Johan was fond of a particular mushroom (Boletus edulis),
which thereby came to carry his name in Swedish and Danish: Karl
Johan.
Keith Willoughby <keith@flat222.org> wrote in message news:<873c6nwx86.fsf@flat222.dyndns.org>...
> Erland Sommarskog wrote:
>
> > Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> >> Incidentally, why isn't he Carl Gustaf XVI?
> >
> > Because the sky is blue.
> >
> > Traditionally Swedish kings with double names, has the number between
> > the names.
>
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
He is the 16th Carl (or Karl). The number disregards the Gustaf.
Karl XIV Johan was fond of a particular mushroom (Boletus edulis),
which thereby came to carry his name in Swedish and Danish: Karl
Johan.
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Erland Sommarskog writes:
> Palestine does have a country code according to ISO3166.
>
> But apart from that I would be hesitant to call it a country. ...
Lots of places that are not countries have ISO 3166 country codes.
The EU is one notable example; most of them, though, are dependencies
or overseas territories.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto It's all Henry's fault.
msb@vex.net -- Geoff Collyer
Erland Sommarskog writes:
> Palestine does have a country code according to ISO3166.
>
> But apart from that I would be hesitant to call it a country. ...
Lots of places that are not countries have ISO 3166 country codes.
The EU is one notable example; most of them, though, are dependencies
or overseas territories.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto It's all Henry's fault.
msb@vex.net -- Geoff Collyer
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Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:
> Lots of places that are not countries have ISO 3166 country codes.
> The EU is one notable example; most of them, though, are dependencies
> or overseas territories.
No, the EU does not have a country code, at least not a two-letter code.
I know, because I went the through the entire list yesterday. And no, not
to beef up my level for rec.games.trivia, but for work.
In the end, "country" is a concept that requires a definition in places
like these newsgroups. Mark has his definition that he uses for his
contests, and certainly not all ISOS3166 countries are countries according
to that definition.
On the other hand, when I went through the list, I had to add two
territories that are not countries according to ISO3166, but which are
countries in a way that matters to our system. To wit, Channel Islands
and Isle of Man have different tax rules from the UK proper. They are
probably not the only such case in the world, but those two are the ones
that matters to our customer, it seems.
By the way, does any one know if I would need distinguish Jersey from
Channel Islands in this regard? One customer had specifically added Jersey
as a country.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
Mark Brader (msb@vex.net) writes:
> Lots of places that are not countries have ISO 3166 country codes.
> The EU is one notable example; most of them, though, are dependencies
> or overseas territories.
No, the EU does not have a country code, at least not a two-letter code.
I know, because I went the through the entire list yesterday. And no, not
to beef up my level for rec.games.trivia, but for work.
In the end, "country" is a concept that requires a definition in places
like these newsgroups. Mark has his definition that he uses for his
contests, and certainly not all ISOS3166 countries are countries according
to that definition.
On the other hand, when I went through the list, I had to add two
territories that are not countries according to ISO3166, but which are
countries in a way that matters to our system. To wit, Channel Islands
and Isle of Man have different tax rules from the UK proper. They are
probably not the only such case in the world, but those two are the ones
that matters to our customer, it seems.
By the way, does any one know if I would need distinguish Jersey from
Channel Islands in this regard? One customer had specifically added Jersey
as a country.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
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Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
XVI refers to Carl only.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
Keith Willoughby (keith@flat222.org) writes:
> So he is the 6th Carl Gustaf, rather than the sixth Carl?
XVI refers to Carl only.
--
Erland Sommarskog, Stockholm, sommar@algonet.se
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