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Yes, thank you (must not address Erland as "Mr. Helper"!) for your
input.
As I tried to make clear by referring to the city in North Dakota,
U.S. by its correct name "Kief" and the city in Ukraine by its correct
name "Kyiv", when I mentioned that "My thinking on Kief is that it's
more likely to be of German or
Scandinavian origin, given the history of settlement in the region" I
was talking about the midwest and plains states of the United States.
Let me make it clearer:
Kief <> Kyiv
Kief probably Germanic Kyiv Slavic
To reiterate: Kief <> Kyiv
U.S. midwest and plains during the time when most place names were
handed out: settled by mainly Germans and Scandivanians as opposed to
Slavs.
On the other hand, further research shows I may be wrong yet again:
http://www.miziuk.daytona-beach.fl.us/faq1.html
http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/1993/049324.shtml
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761574738_5/North_Dakota.html
Erland Sommarskog <sommar@algonet.se> wrote in message news:<Xns94D6E6AD342CYazorman@127.0.0.1>...
> Teabag (teabag420@hotmail.com) writes:
> > Once again, you are right. I have become so frustrated that I broke
> > my personal no-googling rule, and thought I saw Romania listed as a
> > new member on the EU website. Instead it is listed as an applicant
> > country.
>
> And as an addition to what Dan said: while Roumania is planned to joined
> in 2007, there have been signs that they are falling behind, so they
> might not make it. Bulgaria might join alone in 2007. (Unless Croatia
> mananges to catch up, but that is not held as likely.)
>
> > My thinking on Kief is that it's more likely to be of German or
> > Scandinavian origin, given the history of settlement in the region.
> > But as you pointed out, Kyiv is not part of an EU country.
>
> Kiev as name is of Slavic origin. Britannica tells me:
>
> According to the 12th-century chronicle Povest vremennykh let ("Tale of
> Bygone Years," also known as the The Russian Primary Chronicle), Kiev
> was founded by three brothers, Kiy, Shchek, and Khoriv, leaders of the
> Polyane tribe of the East Slavs. Each established his own settlement on
> a hill, and these became the town of Kiev, named for the eldest
> brother, Kiy; a small stream nearby was named for their sister Lybed.
> Although the chronicle account is legendary, there are contemporary
> references to Kiev in the writings of Byzantine, German, and Arab
> historians and geographers. Archaeological evidence suggests that Kiev
> was founded in the 6th or 7th century AD.
>
> While this is legend, note that -ev is a common Slavic possessive suffix.
>
> It is true that Scandinavians played a role in the rise of Kiev as a great
> powet. However, the city existed before they came there, and overall
> Scandiavian names in the area are duly slavicized.
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