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August 29, 2003 11:56:09 AM

Last nite i finished attaching the ramsinks to my new R9800pro

Its the 128mb version, so comes without any ramsinks.
Big mofo black ones added, 8 in total using arctic silver epoxy resin.
Good stuff.
Transfers heat and is virtually unbreakable.
But that means care must be taken in application.

U can see shots here. sorry about the image quality
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Ramsink size is approx 16mm wide x 12mm long x 16mm high.

OC RESULTS:
Stock = 340Mhz (680)
Best OC before ramsinks = 360Mhz (720)
Best OC after ramsinks = 372Mhz (744)

Ramsinks feel only luke warm to the touch, around the same temp as the GPU heatsink.

COST:
8 bux for the ramsinks from Jcar (an automotive audio and electrical store)
AS epoxy resin which i allready had sitting around

All in all a good mod. Takes a bit of nerve messing with an expensive card... but time and care is all thats needed. And a fair bit of time for the epoxy to cure.

Not only do i get a 12Mhz higher OC i also get a card that is nicely Summerproofed.

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August 29, 2003 12:01:56 PM

Good work fella! Couldn't wait to mess with your new card could you?

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August 29, 2003 12:03:19 PM

nup. :) 

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August 29, 2003 12:05:24 PM

Looks good though and the results speak for themselves. Bloody show off.

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August 29, 2003 4:59:16 PM

My Sapphire 9800pro did 370 without ramsinks, oh well i guess i was just kinda lucky.

-Intel PIV 2.4C @ 3.84G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Gold 2x256 3700EL memory @ 256mhz 2.5-3-3-7 -Sapphire 9800pro @ 490/780 -SB audigy -80G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 Ultra ATA-133 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
August 30, 2003 3:53:23 AM

Indeed. given that the ram is 'rated' for ~350mhz you were very lucky.

I wouldnt want to run at 370 for long periods of time without ramsinks though...
Thought of installing some?

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August 30, 2003 4:23:54 AM

I wish I were rich like you Poobaa. *Steams with rage, FURY, MAXX, and astronomical envy* - just kidding. I'm glad the mod was successful. You shoould be kicking high framerates witht that beast for a VERY long time. BTW, Do manufactures still provide warrenties even if you OC the video products? Poor boys like me will dissagree with Eden about the 9700 non-pro being mainstream vs. high end enthusiast (I think the latter), sorry Eden. :) 

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August 30, 2003 7:03:39 AM

I doubt it. Be very hard to get an RMA on it, even though i could probably show the ramsinks havnt done any damage at all.

And i WAS poor once... hang on... after this purchace im poor again :smile:

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a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2003 12:51:10 AM

Installed ramsinks on my Radeon LE (6ns DDR) and it's been supporting 183MHz (DDR366) without overheating ever since.

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August 31, 2003 1:30:39 AM

Nice PooBaa, what games or applications have you used to test the memory at overclocked speeds, specifically at 372mhz?

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August 31, 2003 1:41:05 AM

Which LE, R200 LE?

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a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2003 2:00:48 AM

Radeon LE DDR TVO, same PCB as the Radeon DDR 64MB VIVO, but with half the memory and no video input chip.

Heck, if I bought the missing parts, I could make a Radeon DDR VIVO out of it.

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August 31, 2003 2:37:07 AM

good job poo, maybe you should put some paddings on those bad, sharp, hot ramsinks so hammie wont hurt his lil feet. by the way, is hammie still alive? can i please hear him squeak once? please?

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My computer is so fast it proves the theory of relativity wrong... :eek: 
August 31, 2003 11:07:26 AM

Looks nice! Do you plan to add a HS to the top for the processor?

Added to WS question, what settings?

I quickly tried 375MHz on my Hercules. It ran UT @ 2x 8x OpenGL and GTA III 2x 8x 3D and the Ram were just starting to get warm to the touch.

As soon as I turned to 4x 8x I had to lower the Ram quite a bit, UT had a lot of artifacts, while GTA III was just starting to show them.

When Application Preference was check I stretch to 380MHz.

It would seem in my case that AA/AF has something to say about the OC, because the card will OC less, the higher the AA/AF is set. And heat doesn’t seem to be a problem, since the card doesn’t have a chance to heat up, feels cool and I felt it extremely hotter while @ stock before.

At the moment it’s pretty cool in my place, but during the day it can get pretty warm and just running the card @ stock and high details can cause the card to get very hot. I might be lucky my card came with a HS or I could be freezing up. I did add a couple ignorant turbo case fans that I can turn on while gaming, because of the heat and I do OC from time to time on some games, but I yet to see where it helped, considering I still had to lower the game setting. It might depend on the game, but I think the OC is close to useless. Take a P4, now there is an OC.
August 31, 2003 11:59:03 AM

Hmmmm. Most interesting.
I didnt know that about the AA/AF.
Hardly suprising really considering the nature of AA and Ansio.

Maybe thats why some folks are getting 370+ while i only got 360 stable without heatsinks...

All my testing is done at my "standard" settings, namely 4x AA and 16x Ansio.
Lots of RAM intensive calculations there.

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August 31, 2003 12:11:06 PM

Mostly my good ole faves... Freelancer Serious sam and Will Rock.

Freelancer seemed most sensitive to excessive core overclocks, and willrock was good in picking up artefacts due to excessive memory overclock.


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August 31, 2003 12:15:21 PM

*SQUEAK!*

[snuggles warm ramsinks]

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August 31, 2003 1:27:11 PM

Yeah, I’ll have to keep that in mind myself, and test @ 4x and 16x if I ever decide to stay OC.

The first and really only time I felt the need to OC was playing NFS Hot Pursuit 2. The game running @ full detail and believe 4x and 8x wasn’t 100% smooth. It was ticking me off, I OC my card as much as I could, also OC my P4 to 3.5 and it still didn’t help. I even consider Vaper cooling, hmm $700+ to OC some more I decided to settle down and lower the game settings a little, lol. Turning down settings with the latest card stinks, but no where near what my GF4 was like, and with AA/AF enable I can’t complain :smile: , but I’ll be first in line when the new cards come out.
a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2003 2:08:02 PM

Do you have any helpful tips to pass on using the Artic Silver Epoxy?
Did you go by the websites instructions?
The RAM chips really sit low on the card, it looks like a really nerve racking procedure, since the Artic Silver Epoxy according to the website can conduct electricity, what special precautions did you take.
I'm curious because i'm considering doing this myself, and it looks like you've done an excellent job.

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a b U Graphics card
August 31, 2003 2:17:17 PM

Also I'm seriously curious now so don't go blasting me for asking this question, why on the back of the card did you align the top set of heatsinks perpendicular to the bottom ones, instead of parallel with the bottom ones since your airflow is basically pulling across them from the front to your rear fans? Were you just matching the front setup?

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August 31, 2003 5:53:04 PM

Hmm, that IS interesting. Never thought of that before. I've done my testing in games with 4x or 6xAA and 16x aniso, and at that I can do 380 on the memory on all the games I've tried so far. I havn't run it like that for hours and hours though so I'm not sure if it could keep it up forever.
I also test with 3dmark 2003 with AA/aniso OFF and at 380 I get minor artifacts in the mother nature benchmark, which seems to be the most sensative thing to memory overclocks I've found thus far.

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August 31, 2003 6:37:30 PM

HAMMIE! youre there, my favorite hamster. just be careful with those sharpy ramsinks hun. I HEART YOU

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August 31, 2003 11:27:00 PM

not running smooth eh?
I had a similar problem with freelancer.
Turns out the problem was tasks running in the background... even benign low priotity things like nDU meter, a network monitor.
Best results if im running bare.

I havnt tried NFS hot persiut 2, but i know that need for speed: porsche runs BEAUTIFLY at any resolution i can throw at it, full detail levels and max eyecandy :smile:

With a card like the 9800pro though i believe you are just SILLY not to use some level of AA and Ansio. Makes things look much creamier.
I dont think i will ever go back to non-AA now.

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August 31, 2003 11:38:30 PM

Actually ryan the arrangment of heatsinks was mostly dictated by space.
The card looks clean, but near the ramchips are raised resistor components (or whatever they are).

So i had to take care as to the orientation of the ramsinks, given that they are considerably larger than the chips.
So curiously that verticle/horizonal arrangement worked well for both the front and back ramsinks.

And also, the bottom most ramsinks on the front and back were getting close to the agp slot retention clip, so i put ramsinks horizontal to get more room down there.

Yes, before i started gluing i took some time determining what fitted and what didnt.

Clearance is about 2mm at worse between the ramsinks and the raised components. Pretty good.

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August 31, 2003 11:53:26 PM

The application of the AS epoxy resin was not hard. You just have to take your time and be confident and DONT make mistakes LOL.
I used an antistatic sheet and a bit of foam so as not to break anything.

Like i said in my other post, the ramsink orientation was mostly determined by components on the PCB.
Most are of lower profile than the ramchips, but there are larger resistors that are higher than the chips, thus the orientation was determined by clearance issues. Also had to make sure the sinks where touching any mobo components and as far away as posible from the AGP lock.

With the AS what i did was:
Squeeze out a small amount of equal measure of the 2 parts.
Mix well on a sheet of white paper for 3 mins using a wooden toothpick, trying not to spread it out too far.

Using the toothpick apply a small amount to each chip. A bit of judgment is required here.
Enough to cover most of the core, but i didnt go right to the edge as i didnt want it oozing down the sides. 1mm or so around the edge not covered, and moderately smoothed out in the middle.

I then lined up the sink, put it on and GENTLY twisted it side to side to smooth out the contact, spread the AS and get the alignment correct. Thus you need enough to cover the core with a bit left over for spreading and full bondage.

As far as i could tell i got no oozing down the sides for any of the chips and contact on most of the surface of the chips.

I did the frontside first, and left it to dry for a day.(cauz i had to go to bed then work the next day). The backside i let dry for 3 hours or so, but didnt really try any serious overclocking that night. let the epoxy cure properly.

All in al a very pro job :smile:



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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2003 12:15:39 AM

I'll have to find different sinks than what you used, on the rear of the card the bottom most sink is directly in line with my #1 RAM slot, and with the heatsink spreader on my Corsair RAM I only have approxamitly 3/8" clearance period, plus its only 1/8" away from the RAM slot release clip, and slot 2 is partially in the way also. I see the raised components on the card they'll definitely have to be taken into consideration. Your toothpick method with the epoxy is a great idea. Thanks for the input. Ryan

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September 1, 2003 12:45:37 AM

Yeah. im lucky as the ramslots are further back on my mobo so dont line up with the ramsinks.

Just the raised resistors and agp locking tab that had to be factored in.

Definately a mod that requires PLANNING.

Good results though.
Look professional and work well.

I was never worries about the loss of cooling by having ramsinks at 90 degrees to eachother.

Case airflow is pretty good and they are just meant to keep the ram cooler... in summer i wont be pushing those 373mhz overclocks.

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September 1, 2003 12:57:54 AM

Hahaha, just read your sig! May the Kingswood live on forever!!

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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2003 1:17:23 AM

PooBah, what do you think of these badboys, they're apprx. 3/8" high, will clear my RAM slot, and a pretty good deal, everywhere else I checked wanted twice what they're charging for them, $23.99 + S&H for a pack of 8, and they're plated copper.


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September 1, 2003 1:22:40 AM

I have NFP porche unleasehed, but don't have it installed. I haven’t played it in awhile, but if I’m not mistaking it played like what the Play Station One did with the earlier NFP. I was actually pleased with NFS hot Pursuit 2, the graphics are pretty nice and the game play is better then what I expected. You do have to have a h3ll of a system and a card to match to play with full details with AA/AF, because it gets jerky and I notice this at 70 or so FPS. I’m running pretty lean myself, haven’t tried lowering the priorities on anything running though, might be worth looking into. The car details are a killer and I lower them for things to smooth out. Seems to me things are smoother when the FPS stay near or above 100, 150+ doesn’t hurt either.

I know the AA/AF has spoiled me. I must have had the card three weeks or so, but I’m still amazed at the graphics every time I play UT, or any game for that matter. And I like to see UT reach as high as 300++ FPS in UT at 2x16 or 4x8 either or the FPS or ridiculously high, but the truth is I tend to favor the Wait for VSync to always on, bringing it down to a steady 85fps. This is using OpenGL and no steps in UT :smile: . Been playing UT for over three years maybe longer and it just blows away what my GF4 did in 3D.
September 1, 2003 1:31:36 AM

They look pretty good, though im slightly worried about their width.
Mine were 16mm long but only 12mm wide which helped with placement.
They look more square. might or might not have problems, hard to tell. whats the footprink of those ramsinks?



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September 1, 2003 1:35:04 AM

Ditto. Initially i ran with Vsynch off and fraps on to bask in the glorious framerate (often 100fps+).

But now i too run 1280x960 @ 85Hz with vsynch on. Better with certain effects, namely when flying in nebulas in freelancer and they flash.
with vsynch off i got horizontal lines.

My monitor can do 1600x1200, but only at 75hz.
So 1280x960 is the optimal choice (plus its got the same aspect ratio as 1024x768)

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a b U Graphics card
September 1, 2003 2:15:33 AM

Specs are .600 width, .500 length, .375 height, thats all the size specs I could find on them, I found some other sinks out of aluminum but they're almost 1/2" in height.

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September 1, 2003 5:20:56 AM

Always amazes me when someone does a mod on a really expensive video card. Congrats all the same.

Have you played around with fans?

Never bothered installing ramsinks but my old 8500 normally only overclocks to 285 core/300(600) mem but using a strategically placed case fan it runs happily at 300 core/325 (650) mem.

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September 1, 2003 5:41:27 AM

hehehe.
very carefuly Mr Phsstpok. :smile:

Havnt bothered with fans. THe GPU heatsink seems cool enough and easily handles the 420Mhz OC and thats enough for me.

Any other fans arn't really neede due to good case airflow.

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September 1, 2003 5:44:48 AM

they sound good enough.

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September 1, 2003 5:59:38 AM

My airflow could use some improvement.

A fan pointed directly at my video card made a big difference. It increased my stable memory overclock by 50%, from just 50 Mhz over stock up to 75 Mhz. (Unfortunately, there wasn't much of a performance increase due to my SDRAM motherboard)


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September 1, 2003 7:59:24 AM

PooBaa, I would've considered my case to have good airflow (standard chieftech design w/all fan places filled with 32.5 [i think] cfm fans, and 2 PS fans) but a fan on the side directed right on the graphics card really does help. Stays much cooler over long periods of time.

2nd thing. Poobaa you keep talking about how careful you we're and stuff (which does make sense seeing as how its a 400 [well less by now] dollar card) and how it takes planning and stuff.. Lol you woulda been pullin your hair out watchin me work on my computer (and my vid card mod).

My friend Chris (jimmy dean) has absolutely flipped out multiple times because he thinks I'm too lazy or not careful about stuff. I did no planning whatsoever, I got the sinks in the mail, mixed up some crap (arcit silver epoxy), slapped stuff on (made sure alignment was good though), put the ramsinks on, and the volc. 10... really I think I did an excellent job, but I mean, I didn't PLAN anything, and didn't go slow by any means.

Also when I unlocked my XP1900 (which I did at my friends house, we had an unlocking party:)  [3 of us]) I wrapped it in a small towell, shoved it in my pocket, and rode my bike to his house.

These kinda things make Chris go crazy, cause hes so careful about stuff (probably since he has MESSED UP some of his components before). I was helping him work on his mobo, and i picked up the mobo by the northbridge heatsink (like I do mine), and he was like OMFG PUT IT DOWN NOW! Lol.

Neways. Dunno, maybe I'll mess something up some day and then be more careful. I do do things right, just rather fast and without planning, and I guess I'm more of a realist where most people would be pessimists on this subject. Like you might say "well i wouldnt take the chance..." I would try to be realistic about it and be like... really nothings going to happen. Of course something always CAN happen.

Neways...j

Man I want Will-Rock. Life sucks.

Oh wait, no its kicking major ass right now:) 

Peace guys.

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September 1, 2003 8:15:29 AM

Quote:
My friend Chris (jimmy dean)

LOL, I had no idea anyone had local friends participate at THGC! That't really not a bad idea at all if you think about it. I'll consider getting my 17 yr. old brother joined up, what do y'all think. I've discussed the matter before and he displays some interest in participating in THGC. He'll probably use the "UFO" badge, (It'll be the first hardware clan ever!)

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September 1, 2003 8:18:14 AM

Yeah another one of my friends, Kyle, goes by 14D on here. Hasn't posted in quite some time though.
My friend Greg who goes by Chromo SDR has posted, but only a few times.

Also, my baby's-mamma's daddy posts here. That is, GW.
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September 1, 2003 8:31:19 AM

Where do you live Williamette, for me its like 3 A.M. where I live.

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September 1, 2003 8:33:16 AM

My days as an (enthusiast) are now OFFICIALLY over! Finally addicted!

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September 1, 2003 8:35:06 AM

Tucson, AZ. This post: 1:35 ish.

Went out tonight with a bunch of friends. Did friday too. Fun-ass weekend. Tommorrows gonna suck major balls though.
Basically homework every waking moment of the day, till 5 pm, at which time I go to my job which I hate with a passion, then come home take a shower (the highlight of my day, might even get in some spank the monkey) and go to bed.

I'm goin to bed now though:) 

Cyas.

"Mice eat cheese." - Modest Mouse

"Every Day is the Right Day." -Pink Floyd
September 1, 2003 8:43:34 AM

Will rock is ok... nice weapons, but nothing special.
A weak serious sam clone.

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September 1, 2003 11:14:58 AM

With Vsynch off I hit 400 fps maybe even 500 in UT, but it drops steady, unless I stop playing for a few seconds, then it climbs again. Makes it pretty hard to adjust the min desired framerate though. Not only that, but UT won’t run as smooth as it can, it keeps speeding up and slowing down while playing. With Default on it will speed up too, just before the game starts, but harder to notice while playing. The AA/AF settings seem to affect it as well. The higher there set the less likely it will speed up, again before the game. So during the game I seem to get away with Default on with very high FPS or Always on for a steady 85 FPS. This is with 16 players and all details, accept skin details.

I was just reading some where, where this guy said he contacted monitor manufactures to check into if it was ok to run your monitor at its Max refresh rate and he said they said it was ok. I run most games at 1024x768 75-85 MHz, but my monitor supports 150 MHz. 100 MHz at 1600x1200. I might try maxing the refresh rate out and see what 150 MHz does for my games, but I do recall having problems running one game after I set the refresh rate in Rage3D and it was with in my limits.

I have an Iiyama 454 19” monitor. I got it right after my cheap 19” started smoking and I thought the darn thing was going to blow up in my face. It wasn’t any fun writing e-mails while I hiding half way underneath the desk. So since I had the money I decided to spend the big buck for a new monitor and I’m glad I did, because I give part credit to the monitor for the great graphics I get, not to mention a high refresh rate limit. So just like I don’t want to ever be with out AA/AF the same goes towards a high end monitor.

I have freelancer demo and been meaning to try it out, again. I didn’t get to fall in the demo. I think the first mission or thing to do was to land the ship. If I remember correctly I was lucky if I could get myself headed in the right direction and when I got where I was suppose to be drove on pass, lol. Think I stop playing just short of having to go into the controls to figure out what was what.
September 1, 2003 11:41:44 AM

You mean like <A HREF="http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/vid-18.html" target="_new">this ? </A> I thought a bout getting it, but have my doubts an OC would be justified. Though I haven’t read anything on extreme OC with the card, haven’t been looking either though. Besides as of yet I don’t feel the need to go to such extremes for a card that can already do very well at stock speed.

I did feel the need to add a couple more case fans myself and think anyone with out HS on their ram would be doing a good thing by added them. I had a GF4 4400 before and could OV that pretty good with only two case fans, on low speed at that. After adding the 9800 p it seem the right thing to do was to turn the fan speed up. It gets so freaking hot in my place and I’m so darn cheap to always run the AC decided to add the turbo fans. There so freaking loud I added a on/off switch, I’m hoping when my 600 W speakers come in this week that they will sound out the fans. Hehe, not cheap when it comes to my PC though, actually I have the 500 w speaker set from Creative and the crummy Sub died, (again), now they don’t carry them any more, so their upgrading me to 6.1 and throwing in a supporting Audigy 2 card. Oh well what can I do, “grin”. Sorry, just thought I would give a shout out to my 6.1 that should be here soon.

Anyway I put my turbo fans in heading the other direction. The air flow from back to front this way the top on the card gets hit with are right away. I put a switch on the other fans as well, to shut them off, while the turbo where on. Next step if any would be to blast the card with air.
September 1, 2003 4:14:17 PM

I have NFS Porsche on a 9600 Pro and I can run 1600x1200 6x/16x and get acceptable results. I like that game. Also, I ran NFS HP2 at 1280x1024 4x/4x with no real problems.

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September 1, 2003 4:17:29 PM

That samsung 2.8ns ram get very hot and ATI should have put HS on them anyways to ensure stability. Im using the Big-Ass thermaltake VGA ramsinks on mine.

F-DISK-Format-Reinstal DO DA!! DO DA!!
September 1, 2003 5:21:10 PM

Nah. Nothing that exotic. Some household items, a $3 case fan and some electrical tape is all I use. The fan is positioned at the edge of the video card. Air blows at both sides of the card.

I started doing this with a GF1 card when I was surprised that installing RAMsinks didn't improve my overclock. I improved stability from about one hour to indefinite but not the max overclock. The fan made the difference.

At first I had the fan positioned to blow on the backside of the video card since I thought the GPU fan would take care of the front side. I later learned that blowing air on both sides of the video card was best.

Back then I never tried it without RAMsinks but I got in the habit of using this fan trick.

Anyway, it's a cheap mod that does work. Does it get you maximal overclocking? Definitely not but 25 Mhz for improved memory speed for $3 is about as cost effective as you can get. (Actually it's freebie if you have case fans hanging around like I do).

[Edited for typos]

<b>56K, slow and steady does not win the race on internet!</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by phsstpok on 09/01/03 02:10 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 1, 2003 7:03:31 PM

That’s what I figured that NFS HP2 was more demanding. You like it, but which do you like better? Hmm, you run NFS HP2 at those settings, what do you mean by no real problem? My system runs like sh*t at those setting, about 30-40FPS. You are talking about with full detail right, because that is what I’m claming to be tough to do. I back of the car detail maybe detail also and try to get the FPS to go no lower then say 80. Just the slight bit of jerkiness is unacceptable for me.
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