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coolsquirtle · Sep 3, 2003

hey man i'm going to add a few things to the Guide

Value Cards (upto $150)
GeForce4 Ti4200

Pros- Fastest out of all those cards, cheap
Cons- No DX9 support, Turning AA and/or AF can decrease Performance
Side note: There are three types of Ti4200
Ti4200 64mb- cheapest, second fastest(clocked higher), better quality ram
Ti4200 128mb- slowest out of the three, said to have cheap ram to reduce cost(clocked lower)
Ti4200-8x 128mb- 8X AGP, fastest, uses good ram

Radeon 8500/8500LE/9100

Pros- Cheap, full DX8 support, good IQ
Cons- No DX9 support, not so fast, 8500/8500LE are discontinued product

Radeon 9000 Pro(u made a typo

)/9200 Pro

Pros- Cheap, full DX8 support
Cons- No DX9 support, not so fast, easily mistaken that it's faster than 9100

take out these two from "cards to avoid"

Radeon 9500 (non-Pro)/Radeon 9600 (non-Pro)
Pros- DX9 support, Best AA and AF performance among value cards, 9500 non-pro can be modded into a 9700 non-pro*
Cons- Radeon 9500 (non-Pro) sometimes can be very slow due to it's 4 pixel pipeline design.

Radeon 9600 (non-Pro) is bandwidth limited and unlike the pro version, not good overclocker.

*only 50% of success, only works on 9500 nonpros with L shaped ram and Red PCB

GeForce FX5600 Ultra rev2.0

Pros- DX9 support, Speedy, Faster than Radeon 9500 Pro/9600 Pro without AA/AF
Cons- Radeon 9500 Pro/9600 Pro beats it when AA/AF enabled, Radeons have better image quality, somewhat expensive, slower than Radeon 9700 (non-Pro), hard to identify among it's slower sibling GeForce FX5600 Ultra (rev1.0), Unstable performance due to Driver "issues"

and the brand selection FAQ will be made ASAP

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Spitfire_x86 · Sep 3, 2003

I'm here, changes will happen soon.

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

WAIIIITT! I just bought a Ti4200 64meg 8x, 3 of them in fact. Add the Ti4200 64 meg 8x to the list.

Also, I coun't find the differences the between 0.9.6 * 0.9.5. What did yall change in that version?

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Spitfire_x86 · Sep 3, 2003

Done!

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eden · Sep 3, 2003

Good idea, revision notes should be put in there.

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

Also, the 128 meg Ti 4200s cost almost as much as a Radeon 9600!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't group the !28 meg Ti4200 witht the 64 meg, its price is about $50 more from a reputable brand. Yes you could get cheap 128 meggers from Inno3d, and some other non-reputable companies, but we would never reccomend the cheap 128 megs from low quality manufactueres would we?

P.S. This reply was meant to be written to CoolSquirtle & Spitfire.

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Spitfire_x86 · Sep 3, 2003

This is why I recommended 64 MB Ti4200 instead of 128 MB

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coolsquirtle · Sep 3, 2003

i'll change that later

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

What I am trying to say is that there are 4 Ti4200 cards, not just 3 of them. You did not list the 8X version of the 64meg card. Basically what i am trying to say is that a card is issing from the guide.

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coolsquirtle · Sep 3, 2003

never heard of a 64mb version with 8XAGP, i dont think it exists

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

I OWN 3 OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, they do exist. Sorry for the eclmation marks, just had to get that point across dude. Its written in the box AND on the manual,

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GeneticWeapon · Sep 3, 2003

Settle down.
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coolsquirtle · Sep 3, 2003

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i'm confused.....................

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

Thankyou GeneticWeapon!

You see CoolSquirtle there does exist a Ti4200 64meg 8x AGP. Plz include this in the guide. The ones I own are Microstar International.

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Spitfire_x86 · Sep 3, 2003

It will be included soon

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cleeve · Sep 3, 2003

I don't think the regular 9500 non-pro deserves such a bad rap.

Stock, it's almost as fast as a Ti4200, and it's faster than a Ti4200 with Antialiassing and anistropic filtering on. Plus it offers DirectX 9 where the Ti 4200 is a DirectX 8 part.

In my experience, the GeforceFX 5200 is a joke... the only REAL budget choice for a DX9 card is the 9500.

They overclock like shot, too.

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ufo_warviper · Sep 3, 2003

The 5900 Ultra should be marketed as a midrange product to compete with 9600 Pro. It's sad that a cheap 9600 Pro canibalizes the 5900 Ultra in tombraider.

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coolsquirtle · Sep 4, 2003

not really. Check the Albatron Review.... the difference is much lower

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coolsquirtle · Sep 4, 2003

Spitfire, just to piss off UFO add the GF4 Ti4200 64mb 8xAGP later

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ufo_warviper · Sep 4, 2003

Yeah, and when more DX9 games roll around the corner, this card will rock! What's nice about the 9500's is that they ACTUALLY do have the 8 pipelines of their bigger bros. Your softmod rox dude! That's something that you don't get to see to much of. Only if the GeForce2 MX had the 4 pipelines......... Boy softmodding would be POPULAR!

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ufo_warviper · Sep 4, 2003

You do that, and I'll tell PNY too drop an anvil on your graphics board! Trust me, they'll do it too!

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coolsquirtle · Sep 4, 2003

i think PNY did that already >< haven't heard from them for almost 2 weeks ><

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ufo_warviper · Sep 4, 2003

This purely hypthetical, impossible jibberish that I'm about to mention, but if you were to receive a freee brand new graphics card replacement, would you choose A Radeon 9800 Pro, or are still leaning towards the FX5900 Ultra? When you answer this, just consider that more DX9 games are just around the corner.

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coolsquirtle · Sep 4, 2003

I'd take a INTEL EXTREME GRAPHIC 2 AGP

lolz
ATi just dont come with enough stuff -_- i mean the stuff that is in the retail box are the same as the OEM ones.......
nVidia comes with jammed packed stuff -_- it is much more appealing

anyways i got hw so i'll go into depth later

adios

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eden · Sep 5, 2003

lolz
ATi just dont come with enough stuff -_- i mean the stuff that is in the retail box are the same as the OEM ones.......
nVidia comes with jammed packed stuff -_- it is much more appealing

anyways i got hw so i'll go into depth later

Ever thought of why they are so jam packed?
Because they suck, they can't sell, so they need suckers to buy into the design!

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