Valve says Detonator50 has cheats

[GeneticWeapon]

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[coolsquirtle]

well valve had mad sex with ATi, of course they're gonna bash nVidia, nVidia didn't provide the sex valve wanted cause of "length" problems. lolz

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[phsstpok]

Why the exclamation mark, "!"? No one is going to be surprised.

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[TheRod]

Humm... I don't think so!

If you were a game designer and 2 company come to yu and say : I want to bundle your next game with my latest GPU?

Who would you choose? And why?
The best performance
The easiest to code
The market share
The branding (credibility)

There is tons of reasons to choose one or another. And what we understand from this showcase is that Valve would have choose nVidia if they could have provided a best overall value.

And even if Valve is associated ATI, they will provide optimisation for GeForce based card and this is great for the nVidia based card owner...

But as Valve representative stated : Will all game company have the ressource and time to optimize their engine for nVidia? Of course, 3D engines that are build for large distribution (DOOM3, Unreal, HL2) will bet those optimisations. But the other ones?

I wish to never see an ATI or nVidia logo on a game box again. I remember when I had to buy a 3dFX to play a game... I didn't had the choice, I had to... Because the games, at that time, were only running with this GPU.

Maybe, we will see weird things on box...
Video card requirements : ATI 9XXX or GeForce FX 5900...

Who knows...

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

The thing is that this DOES appear to be a consistent rumour out there. Valve even addressed it in their presentation.

I know I've posted <A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q3/valve/index.x?pg=3" target="_new">THIS</A> alot but it is pretty descriptive;

Look at the rumour or in their case 'rumor' section of their presentation. Sad considering I think this SHOULD be th reaction to some of nV's practices, bu I think ATI and especially Valve don't deserve this kind of scepticism (other than the natural scepticism all companies should get for anything they do/say).

<A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q3/valve/index.x?pg=3" target="_new">http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2003q3/valve/index.x?pg=3</A>


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[Gastrian]

It also makes good business sense to ship your product with ATI. As Gabe said, most customers own a nVidia product. The majority of the ATI customers are either "fanboys" (which I might be considered as) and the gamming enthuiasts.

These 2 types of people are going to do more shouting then the casual PC upgrader which does make up a considerable portion of the nVidia market about their product.

All of these casual upgraders hear about this great game and buy it. Extra sales purely on the basis of giving the game away free with a minority card (Am I right in assuming it's only bundled in with OEM 9800pros?). Cheaper than posting adverts in magazines, etc.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

No, I think it will be bundled with a variety of 9800XTs. While most BBA's don't come with software even they have adopted adding a few titles (still less than their OEM partners). I think it will probably be added to most of them EXCEPT the white-box OEM versions (usually little/no software there [except drivers]).

I think you can expect any tie-in to start with BBA's first and foremost.


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[coolsquirtle]

if only ATi card comes with a S***load of stuff like the nBox~~ then nVidia's doomed. Well nVidia still has the bling blings

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Hercules' gots da' Blue Blinking Bling Bling! So I think they'll need more than that.


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[eden]

Damn it I thought (and the industry itself used to) that BBA meant BUILT BY ATi, as in, boxes only by ATi (like the EVIL GOALIE!), and PBA any other distributor, hence why ATi recently announced there will not be any more BBAs as they want to focus on chip design and manufacturing only.

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[Caimbeul]

Its funny to see that Nvidias reply to Valves conference goes on about not using the Detonator 50's ... Didnt they pay any attention? Gabe said the Det 50's gad cheats/unfair optimisations in them and THATS why they didnt use them!

Nvidia should save save face now and just say "look were sorry, we cocked up - We will try to get it right next time." and just live with the fact that the FX cards are poor DX9 performers.

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[ufo_warviper]

Kudos to Gabe Newell for not standing up for Nvidia's crap! Nvidia used to be such an outstanding and reputable company. The launch of the FX series is almost as embarrasing as the campaigns for the Riva 128 & FAR more embarrasing than the GeForce 4 MX. Let's face it, everybody who bought an Nvidia DX9 card for low-end, mid-range, & high-end sectors of the market all got completely gipped. I haven't really been one to go on a product bashing or brandname bashing spree, but gee, I just can't hold it in any longer. I am seriously <font color=red><b>TICKED OFF</font color=red></b> at Nvidia for their deceptive marketting. I'm not mad at Nvidia because they are just a little slower than ATi - they are <b>WAY SLOWER</b>. I bet they knew D*** well that they were ripping their customers off. My faith in Nvidia has never been lower. I know this sounds fanboyish, but I beleive I would have good reason to be skeptical of the NV40 or whatever their new DX10 chip will be. What if it runs all the DX9 games all just fine and dandy and when DX10 games hit the market -SPLAT, PS3.0 performance slaughters nVidia. I don't think I'll be reccomending Nvidia for at least 2 generations. If they can develop a DX10 card before DX 10 games hit the market, my reccomendations will probably be reserved for ATi unless Nvidia shows that they can listen to the customer and runs the DX10 games when they arrive. Does my proposition sound a little extreme to you guys? To me, it just seems like the only reasonable way about this. Until then, a straight slate of ATi products for each category of budget I will reccomend.

DHlucke, I haven't seen you in the graphics forum in a while. Where've you been dude? You've been missing out on SO MUCH action.

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I posted a link to a recent review of the DET 51.75 in <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=367848#367848" target="_new">THIS</A> thread. Just FYI guys.

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[eden]

I wonder why they did not bother to try Tomb Raider or Halo. Hello? 2 DX9 games out with the same NV problems? AMDMB was rather blind really.

Oh and btw, now we can actually recommend the cheap R9200! (save for the odd graphics glitches it turned, I hope that didn't accidently raise performance by a lot, lol, like beating the FX5900 Ultra!)
Where is Simwiz, who always tried to argue that FX5200 has DX9 so it still is a better choice in the low end?

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[eden]

You got a damn good right to be skeptical about even NV40. Everything this year has had (including us saying "2003 is gonna be THE definite year of revolutionary technology and the recovery of the IT industry!") but bad news with nVidia and true screw ups. Imagine you take a vacation to forget about all of this, and for the first time yet, no longer caught in the pipeline of cheat after cheat and news after news, you don't think about it. Then a few days later you do, and you just get surprised at how BAD the situation really is. Most of us feel it, but not enough! We've gotten used to it it's almost for granted. It's truly bad.

whatever their new DX10 chip will be.

Damn it better not be the NV40. DX9 games are barely appearing. With each generation releasing a very late and gradually more delayed games with the DX support, DX10 games will not see the day before 2005, and releasing cards so early now, is gonna truly be a bad move IMO. No matter it being early and ready, it's not good.

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