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HL2 ABSOLUTE REAL DEAL!!!1

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September 14, 2003 2:49:24 AM

I have seen so many people slamming the FX cards it's unreal and I have seen so many people slamming the ATI cards its unreal.

Heres the points.

1. There demos so not everything is final
2. Yes HL2 runs better with ATI than FX
3. Yes Doom 3 runs better with FX than ATI
4. In each instance both software companys worked in conjunction with the video companys
5. I have seen the flash footage of the aquamarks demo where in fact the image quality does indeed go down.

BUT HERE IS MY POINT.

How many of you being the hardcore gamers that you are were playing your last game that you knew suffered quality loss due to improper chipsets or drivers on the video card. But how many of you during your last game stopped dead in the middle of a fast paced, attention based twitching your mouse around clicking buttons, hitting keys franticly and said holy [-peep-] did you see that guy I just shot in the face and blew his brains out the texture detail was crappy what a freaking waste of a bullet, or just got tone with missle lock let loose and said ah damit the trail of the missle smoke sucked I need a different video card. Benchmarks are as THG has stated just there to influence the public so therefore the video card companys are going to go for the higher marks. In which most of us make are decisions in buying these cards.

Truth is the most significant visual aid you notice in a game right away is the resolution setting and in everycase Ive seen the top ATI cards and FX cards do just fine.

For those of you that say I can't enjoy the game because I can't increase the AA or ANT rates. Your full of it, or you need a life. Lets not try to make fun of anybodys cards we all have what we want depending on our budgets so lets enjoy it.

Wait for the games wait for the action to start and then after you have played them and it looks like your in slow motion then complain. They said nutra sweet caused cancer in lab rats when it came out, how many of you know anybody that stopped eating it when they heard that.

Get real, have fun gaming and wait for it to conclude itself.

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September 14, 2003 3:20:51 AM

I agree 100%, i think 90% of all this video card, and cpu jargon is just nonsense. Ok now i'm not running a 9800 or a 5900 but i'll tell you what i think. The only difference between my mx400 gf2 and my fx5600 is the resolution i can play games at. I was expecting a big difference as all the reviews go on and on about, but really in the middle of battle there was none. I really believe that unless you need to run at a highr resolution an upgrade is a waste of money, thats why i never spend more than about 100 US on a vid card. The same applies for cpus. I'll tell anyone the biggest improvement you will see in gaming is in a better monitor, and thats a fact jack... And i bet when HL2 comes out you would have trouble picking the nvidia over the Ati if you didn't know what card was in what machine. See these benchmarking crap is all about fuelling the debate so as everyone will think, "gee i need to upgrade to that next card " and so on. So basically its all a load of crap, likes i've said before was the 166mmx noticably different to the 166 non mmx. Can ya remember. and so thats my point its 99% marketing.. Dollars, its all about dollars boys, if 1000 of you go and pay 500 buck for that new card this week the cash flows in...

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September 14, 2003 3:58:19 AM

It's not a load of crap. Nvidia really did have a poor design on their Pixelshaders. It's affected Tombraider, and now its affecting Half-Life 2. It will probably affect other DX9 games as well. The new drivers are resorting to sacrificing image quality for better framerates. The FX ownders are going to HATE this, but its the only way in H3ll that they will have the new games at least playable. Playability comes at a MUCH higher priority than image quality,but having decent image quality is VERY important as well.

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September 14, 2003 4:09:55 AM

Agreed. Its not crap, if you are going to spend hundreds of dollars on a card, why not make it the right one?
September 14, 2003 4:14:14 AM

Thankyou Lord_tyranus2.

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September 14, 2003 4:22:02 AM

Yes ok but is the difference going to be noticable when we load up the released game and settle in for some action. Maybe , maybe not. Gee i can't tell the difference with AA and AF on and off, then again it may be the games i'm playing. I'll give an example of what my point is. I paid about $90US for my gf2, at the time the gf3 had just been released and it retailed for about $400US here in Oz. Now i just couldn't imagine what sort of performance i would get for that money, i would have expected fireworks and balloons and all sorts of goodies. But after getting the fx5600, which is supposed to be on par with the Gf3, iam a little dissapointed, not so much in the frame rates and resolution i can play at, but in the image quality. Its not bad its just not what i expected compared to the gf2. Now i've learnt that the real difference is in the resolutions games can be run at, not the eye candy that we hear so much about. So i expected to much, but i know now what to expect from the top range cards. My point being i'm glad i didn't pay all that cash for the gf3 back at the begginning of last year. So all this makes me thinks, are we going to notice this problem nvidia has, or has it been inflated to serve another means? I suppose we will soon find out.

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September 14, 2003 4:41:34 AM

I understand what your getting at now. I saw a DX8, DX8.1, and DX9 photograph of a DX9game (I think HL2). ALl the photos looked great. The only major differences I could realky see was the water reflective quality. I could live with the image quality of either one of those. Like I said above, I do place a higher priority on framerate (especially when it comes to playablility or not playable) than I have on the Image quality of the game. I hacked up the WickedGL drivers on my Voodoo2 card to play Jedi Outcast and it ran fine on the "Fast" setting. No, it wasn't pretty, but the gameplay was still enjoyable just because of the storyline and other elements not relating to graphical beauty. Beautiful Graphics is a nice luxury to have though. By the way what game did you compare the Image quality of the GF2 MX400 and the FX5600 Ultra. IF you used Quake 3 your probably not going to notice anything different because Quake 3 only uses DirectX 7 technology.

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September 14, 2003 5:07:11 AM

double post

If he doesn't die, he'll get help!!!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by rramjet on 09/14/03 01:10 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
September 14, 2003 5:07:11 AM

Black Hawk Down, the demo single player version. Ghost recon, SOF 2, Freelancer, and Devastation. Least noticable was prob Black Hawk and most noticable difference was prob. Freelancer. But this is only my judgement, no benchmarks or anything.

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September 14, 2003 5:27:29 AM

Freelancer(I might be thinking Splinter Cell) should be the most noticeable because it uses a brand new Graphics engine. But some of the others that are less technologically advanced engines, I can see where the difference in IQ would probably not be as noticeable. But then again, I have no hands-on experience with any of these games.

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September 14, 2003 5:50:38 AM

rramjet your opinion counts as squat, and to the new guy... Some people have to drive a pimpin car, others are fine with a junker. Some people have to wear Armani suits, others are happy in blue jeans and a t-shirt. Some people only eat at fancy restaurants, others like fast food. This is about preference, noone here needs to get a life when they complain about visual quality. I did not shell out 1500 dollars for my computer to look at crap. I want to go "WOW!", because thats what I paid for. I DO care about the games, and visual stimulation is not the only reason I play them, but I sure as hell want some high quality visuals.

Next time have a better reason to become a member of a forum.

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September 14, 2003 7:37:13 AM

What do you have on your rig Williamette?

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September 14, 2003 8:16:14 AM

Willamettes mum spanked his bottom for than post. This guy obviously has no clue to what he is talking about, yet he persists to attempt some contribution to these forums, which sadly come up short of the full quid. I say inbreeds such as willy should have an astrix next to their name as so we can distinguish them from the rest of us who have half an ounce of intelligence. Now i'm going out to the opera so toddles, in yal language.

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September 14, 2003 8:30:41 AM

Williamette Contributes. He often brings up very worthwhile points in his debates that I've had with him. I really enjoy Williamette's company. I guess we all can't get along :(  :frown:

BTW, rramjet have you made up your mind what you'll do with the Duron system. If you need anymore help you can post it here or in your other thread, or maybe even PM me.

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September 14, 2003 8:43:40 AM

Yea i've never spoken to him before, i just thought i'd give him a roasting. But yea my duron system is doing alright, i need to do some research into networking my two systems. They both have network cards installed but i've been a bit lazy and have been waiting for by broadband to get connected. If you have any tips, like the basics feel free to give me some advice as i'm pretty slack when it comes do the technical side of stuff.

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September 14, 2003 8:51:34 AM

SURE, no prob, I'll give you help in a couple of days, or whenever my I'm freed from my workload and you on too. I have been avoiding my homework and reading this weekend so I need to get that done tommorrow.

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September 14, 2003 9:37:41 AM

cool, cheers.

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September 14, 2003 1:36:37 PM

quit your whining mouse boy I have ran every game including splinter cell, black hawk down, etc etc etc... at res max and this so called eye candy and I have no problems whatsover and I paid a 150 more total for my pc so either learn to make better buying decisions or shutup

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September 14, 2003 2:08:03 PM

keep in mind that the benefit of that new 9800 pro over your old card may not be noticable now (esp if you play frozen throne, that game has like 0 requirements) but a year or 2 down the line, the 9800 pro will be getting say 30-40 fps in games while your other card gets 20-30. that's when it makes a difference. As for the 9800 vs 5900 argument:

I agree that resolution is the main component, I'd rather run higher res without AA and AF.

But, looking at the halflife benchmarks, my guess is we could run ATI 1600x1200 and get the same framerate as FX 1024x768. Isn't that not a huge difference, even for those of us without sharp eyes?
September 14, 2003 3:06:46 PM

Thats an excellent question.

I just ran splinter cell between the two resolutions and didnt notice anything and the same with gunmetal, both ran smooth as glass but I did not see anything that made me say oh cool never saw that before and splinter cell is is slow paced to where you can notice textures on the bars the bricks computer desk keyboards etc..

But like I said in my main post, if that becomes the case then nvidia will lose ground in the market and people will go ati. As for ATI I think its an awesome card I debated between the two and If i made the wrong choice when the time comes to find out, then oh well I go ATI.

I agree some people cant afford to post 400 bucks for a card and then find out its not going to carry them for another two years but you can't guess when new technolgy will unfold and prove you wrong plus you have place like THG and Anandtech and many others that were pushing the fx on the public People bought them on benchmarks and they will buy ati now based on a benchmark hence my point from the first post Yes ATI makes a good solid card right now. but Nvidia will learn no doubt what happens when you lie to People. nv40 is looking at speed up to 1500mhz on the memory that samsung has started making for video companys and now 8x2 pipelines rather than 4x2 and ati is going for 12x1 pipelines rather than 8x1 as well as faster chip speeds. So once again people will follow these websites into the fog to clear out which is better.

As for someone not having something to contribute. How about common sense rather than trying to flash your ego around because it gives you headaches when you think about it. (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)

LIFE IS LIKE A BOLT OF LIGHTNING...UNLESS YOU MAKE AN IMPACT YOU WON'T BE NOTICED
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September 14, 2003 3:18:51 PM

I was gonna ignore you 'cause you're obviously mentally challenged (as demonstrated by your initial rant), but now you're just adding to it with you BS last post.

Oh you've played EVERY GAME, Eh? Yeah BS. Hyperbole I'm sure but simply padding your ignorance. Oooh Splinter Cell plays fine, so what? It's a Creeper game, High FPS is NOT needed. Sure you could get by on the ~30FPS that 16X12 with MAX AF and features provides. Why? Because it's slow moving, with very little scenery movement as well. Playing an FPS at MAX and getting ~30 FPS is going to get you dead. Now if you COULD have that kind of detail with 60+ FPS then that would be better. There are monitors out there that push ALOT of pixels at high speed. I have a P260 at work (GW, I 'swapped' the P202 with a co-worker :evil:  ), and it pushes 1920x1440 at 75hz. I want that kind of resolution and I want it SMOOTH with every bit of Eye candy I can get. The whole point is GIMME ALL I CAN GET, If it ain't phot-realistic yet, then they've got work to do! If we pay top dollar, then we expect at the very least to get the features they used to sell this stuff to us. Can anyone say PS 2.0+?

<font color=blue>I paid a 150 more total for my pc so either learn to make better buying decisions or shutup</font color=blue>

How does paying 150 bucks more for your rig indicate you make 'better buying decisions'? It would tend to indicate the opposite, and that you're a Dumba$$ who overpayed! The fact that you don't appreciate better visuals means that that $150 likely would have been better spent on some glasses. Seriously that statement is Bogus, especially since you can't back it up. So why don't you STFU!

Now let's get back to your original post, cause there's more than enough to cover there.

<font color=blue>3. Yes Doom 3 runs better with FX than ATI
4. In each instance both software companys worked in conjunction with the video companys</font color=blue>

Actually for that benchmark ATI was even more out in the cold than nV was this time around. At least Valve TRIED to show that the game was playable on nV products, whereas the surprise 'D]|[-benchmark' just appeared, and only in the nV specific code path (which surprisingly enough benifited nV). So don't talk BS!

<font color=blue>For those of you that say I can't enjoy the game because I can't increase the AA or ANT rates. Your full of it, or you need a life.</font color=blue>

And who the H3LL are you to JUDGE? If people LIKE the way things look with AA/AF enabled then who gives a Ratz-A$$ what you think! I think it's nice to have and on my next TV (a Big Screen with DVI or at least VGA connector) it may be the only option I have to improve visuals. As for the life statement, I have to agree with WS, I don't find you a roll model in that respect.

<font color=blue>Wait for the games wait for the action to start and then after you have played them and it looks like your in slow motion then complain. </font color=blue>

I agree with this somewhat except alot of people are on the clock as to when they can return their cards if it does turn out to be a bad decision. Should they postpone that decision for something that Valve indicates (with alot of supporting evidence) cannot be fixed without major sacrifices? Why should people not bitch about misleading statements by nV and fl-optimizations at their expense? I'd say wait 'til the games come out before you buy a card to play it, however some of these people bought their new cards to play UT2K3, EliteForces, PlanetSide, etc., and are now having serious second thoughts as they were hoping for SOME kind of 'future-proofing' in their big $ outlay. And it's not just the HL2 bench that is showing these issues, the WombRaider, err TomRaider demo shows similar issues. This is just the straw that broke the camels back.

<font color=blue>They said nutra sweet caused cancer in lab rats when it came out, how many of you know anybody that stopped eating it when they heard that.</font color=blue>

Giant leap here, and I have no idea how that relates to Graphics (other than over-reaction [which the HL2 reaction obviously isn't]), but since you bring it up I know people who have major issues with Aspartame (I had to edit out examples , just to long in what is already a long post). There are also those who don't like GMO, MSG, etc.

<font color=blue>Get real, have fun gaming and wait for it to conclude itself</font color=blue>

And how is it going to magically conclude itself? Is it concluded now with UT2K3? People want to have fun, but if they are going to get hooped by nV's PR, then they definitely won't have fun in the future. And discussion like this help people Get Over It. Because many nV owners are VERY pissed and think HL2 is going to be unplayable, well it won't be, even if there is no DET/DX upgrades. It just appears it won't be as smooth as with ATI gear. However that's a valid concern for people who either just bought a card or are planning on buying one. The benchmarks are there, they seem very accurate, and it's up to nV to appease their customers. So until that happens none of those people can RELAX. Perhaps the threa of a nice Class-Action lawsuit would change nV's tune about some of their consumer's concerns, they seem to respond well to lawyers (at least they like to use them).

And now for you biggest load of crap of the night.

<font color=blue>But how many of you during your last game stopped dead in the middle of a fast paced.. [edit] ..I need a different video card.</font color=blue>

Well, most gamers have experienced ALOT of moments like this. My most recent one's were with Morrwind and Hitman2. In both games I said, DAMN, I bet this would be smoother on a better card (and so I got one). Morrowind especially, after looking at someone else's setup with a faster card with everything maxed you go, Geez that's nice, wish I could do that! Yeah wanna play a game that will make you say 'Hmm bet this would play beter with both a next gen GPU and next-gen CPU, then play Morrowind at MAX settings, Yeah you'll notice ALOT of things, remember to enable TureForm (through patch only) to see AWESOME visuals, NOT related to resolution.
Usually gamers don't experience what you are describing, because there is usually nothing better to jusdge against (if you run top of the line stuff). Howveer for anyone who is a gamer and watches other play the next-gen hardware while you still ponder it, suddenly you say, 'Geez I bet this would look alot nicer (like BOB's) If I poped oneof those new cards in my rig, and it would likely help my OTHER games too'. Those sliders that come in games, ALSO make most people think, gee I wonder if I can touch that thingy? Ah nope it kills my FPS, or even worse, it's Greyed-out.

And about your first statement;

<font color=blue>1. There demos so not everything is final</font color=blue>

Actually the results are in, they did poorly in those demos. Yeah that may mean the game might play differently, but it definitely indicates something is amiss! The difference is that unlike all the other benchmarks nd tests before that eluded to this problem, THIS benchmark actually worries people the most and has the biggest impact because it IS associated with one of the most highly anticipated games in recent history, tied only with D]|[ (except in some people like WS's mind [although I agree gameplay is likely better in HL2]). The benchmark may not be a predictor of final HL2 performance, but it is another clear warning sign that something is going on with nV's hardware. Unless you can prove otherwise.

<font color=blue>LIFE IS LIKE A BOLT OF LIGHTNING...UNLESS YOU MAKE AN IMPACT YOU WON'T BE NOTICED</font color=blue>

And you thought you'd leave your mark by being an arrogant JackA$$, well at least I now know WHY you did it.

Before you lecture the unwashed masses about their ignorance, try and enlighten yourself about the subject first.

Now, I'll leave you to WS's inevitable response.


And to the forum residents, Sorry for another long post guys.


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September 14, 2003 6:38:57 PM

I think you 'bout covered it there, Grape:) 

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September 14, 2003 8:27:04 PM

After going back and actually reading the thread, I feel I was a bit too kind.

"But how many of you during your last game stopped dead in the middle of a fast paced.. [edit] ..I need a different video card."

Wow. Currently running my Radeon 9200 SE (why, oh why I bought that card, even for $40, I don't know), and UT2K3, Antalus is unplayable at anything over 800*600.

"And you thought you'd leave your mark by being an arrogant JackA$$, well at least I now know WHY you did it."

I don't know about arrogant jacka$$, but he certainly is foolish. But I suppose its his money to waste. Watch him come crying a few months later with his poor 5900.
September 14, 2003 9:06:15 PM

I really do hate nvIDIOTs.

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September 14, 2003 9:17:48 PM

NEW guy, since you don't know anybody here, how do you know if somebody hasn't contributed anything. People here help eachother, hell I even earned money from overclocking, and how did i know how to overclock? the people on these forums told me how. If you are just looking for a fight somewhere, then piss the F*** off, because if you're just trying to piss everybody off, you're not welcome. Leave before I *** *** your ******* nose and ***** it up your ***

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September 14, 2003 10:51:17 PM

1. If any of you would bother to grasp the point from the first post it might help you.
2. Did it take all your brain power to come up with that post, more than likely it did so go rest for 2 days until two of your 5 brain cells are active.

I said people should just have fun and enjoy what they had and changed when they needed to.

I really wish I could meet you in person so I could see you take an endeavor such as trying to kick my a-s-s.

Read, think and then think some more about what you read before you open you mouth.



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September 14, 2003 11:02:57 PM

hahaha like I said it's your ego so naturally you have to post something it really bothers you if someone get's in the last word doesn't it?

It is unfortunate that you had an and episode in which you had to get a better video card hence read what I said
I believe those were my words. You bought a card you thought was good then bought some new games and realized what a bad decision you made on your purchase. So you had to make another one to cover for it, hence your upgrade hence my point. 95% of the people here want to either learn something,clairify something, or teach something its to bad your not one of them. All you can do is rant and rave and then to tear down someone because of your lack of ability to understand that no matter what you do or say you will not start a revolution, you will just remain to be one of the little b-i-t-c-h-e-s that has to gripe and complain because he has got nothing better to do. And because you still can't accept some of the decisions you've made in your life.

My life is so good im going to go post a complaint on THGC so I can feel good about myself maybe someone will listen to me there.

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September 14, 2003 11:30:44 PM

HAHAHAHA, I would love to see you try and fight back.

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September 15, 2003 2:10:23 AM

I recon we should have two teams ATI and NVIDIA, and we can get online and fight it out in like CS or somthing similar. Maybe HL2 when it comes out. Who knows any one thats gunna have a server up for halflife 2. Then we can see who the real deal hardcores are.

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September 15, 2003 2:56:14 AM

I'm not a fanATIc I owned 3 nVidia products in the past but ever since 9700/9500 series came out, nVidia's getting their A** kicked. That's y i switched from Geforce4 MX440 to Radeon 9500pro and not to TI4600.

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September 15, 2003 4:16:31 AM

Yea who cares, to tell you the truth i wont spend more than a 100 buck on a card unless its required for a game. I'm quite happy playing games at 1024 x 768 with medium settings at reasonable frame rates. I'd rather spend a couple of hundred on my nitro powered remote control buggy that absolutly kicks any computer game to kingdom cum. Don't get me wrong i also like stirring up people on these forums who get passionate about ati and nvidia....

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September 15, 2003 4:33:33 AM

then why are you taking side with the nVidiot.

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September 15, 2003 4:48:49 AM

hahaha lol that is funny but one thing I know is I'm not going to argue with you.

"NEVER, NEVER ARGUE WITH A STUPID PERSON, BECAUSE FIRST THEY WILL TAKE YOU DOWN TO THERE LEVEL AND THEN BEAT YOU OUT OF SHEER EXPERIENCE"

Hence I will not argue with you so I don't go down to your level.

Well I will be back but have to work for living been fun slamming the comments with you and for those of you that understood the points here. Thank you

For those of you that did not better luck next time.

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September 15, 2003 5:00:09 AM

Grape, was the monitor you got the CRT with the DVI?

I help because you suck.
September 15, 2003 5:01:52 AM

Icedout,
Your an idiot.

I help because you suck.
September 15, 2003 5:05:48 AM

Thanks for backing me up.

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September 15, 2003 5:09:30 AM

Because you are an Atihole. And nvidia are much more experienced. All you Ati fans have become dillusioned by one small benchmark that optimises ati cards.

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September 15, 2003 5:38:37 AM

Whatever nvIDIOT.

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September 15, 2003 5:42:39 AM

And of course nVidia NEVER cheated in 3dmark03 or Unreal Tournament 2003.

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September 15, 2003 5:46:41 AM

he's a disgrace to nVidiots

oh and just to tell u guys i'm not a nVidiot, i'm a nVBOY goddamn it, i'm higher level ;) 

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September 15, 2003 7:17:25 AM

whats wrong with being passionate about something? perhaps this is a hobby to some people, or perhaps they work in the industry


being passionate about somethig is better than being blind and biased and stirring up crap for no reason, dont cha think?

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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2003 6:02:03 PM

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<font color=blue>like I said it's your ego so naturally you have to post something</font color=blue>

You obviously don't know who you're talking too, because if I DID have this big ego you attribute to me, then I would've slapped in and R9800P (followed by a P-256) simply to post my bungholios, instead of getting the sensible and AWESOME R9600P; so you've obviously missed the mark by a mile and a half on that one. And like I said, your IGNORANCE and lack of knowledge induce you to post something to 'leave your mark'.

<font color=blue> it really bothers you if someone get's in the last word doesn't it?</font color=blue>

Nice attempt at trying to pre-empt a response, (really the work of someone who has nothing left to add), so as to try and save face. I don't care if you think I need to gt in the last word, often I don't you can ask alot of people here who 'know' me. In your case however I'm sure getting in the last word is the least I can do to dispel your BS and Bile!

<font color=blue>You bought a card you thought was good then bought some new games and realized what a bad decision you made on your purchase. So you had to make another one to cover for it, hence your upgrade hence my point. 95% of the people here want to either learn something,clairify something, or teach something its to bad your not one of them. </font color=blue>

Well obviously YOU didn't fully read/comprehend my reply, an obviously you don't know anything about me or my participation in this forum, but that's not surprising as you're obviously new and one of those who who in incapable of learning something/anything (nice you tried to inculde me in your group, but really I'm sorry to dissapoint you but you're in a class of your own [and that's not a compliment, in case you did't cach that subtle hint either]). You can check old posts or even with people who've been here a while, I' happy with my contributions.

As for my purchases, they were made based on my needs (which I've always advocated to people [especially those who don't need a gaming card, or just wanna play old titles]), as well as based on the best offer at the time of my pruchase. I never made a purchase to cover for something. Usually the technology wasn't availible at the time of my purchase to make it future-proof. My RageFury did BARELY play Morrowind, but that game came out almost 2 years after I bought my card (which I gave to a friend once I upgraded). The AIW PCI I've used al the way up until I swapped in the R9600P (and I gave the AIWPCI to afriend just this past May vacationn for his media rig). The AIW 8500DV was really a card I no longer needed and decided that te R9500P would be a good replacement, and since a friend was building an entertainment unit with some game play power I sold it to him (for very cheap). However as I was completing this transaction I realised the newly announced R9600P would better fit my concerns/needs (as many about tha period) an I ended up slapping that AIW PCI in until the upgrade occured. All of which I docemented ery well to help enlighten others.

Now that should give you enouh INSIGHT into me and my purchases, enough for me to clearly state, you're barking up the wrong F'in tree, DumbA$$!

<font color=blue>that has to gripe and complain because he has got nothing better to do</font color=blue>

There you go projecting again. Seiously you should seek proffesional help, you seem oblivious to your whole post which I'd classify every one of your words as ranting or raving.

<font color=blue>And because you still can't accept some of the decisions you've made in your life.</font color=blue>

Once again someone who's obviously so ignorant as to make assumptions so wildly innacurrate as to be laughable. To say 'you don't know me' would be an understatement of monumental proportion. Here's abit of advice, figure out exactly what you're trying to say and then back it up with something other than your own personal ignorance. Then at least, I could feel like there's something coherent to engage when disussing your inadequacies, err I mean inaccuracies.

<font color=blue>My life is so good im going to go post a complaint on THGC</font color=blue>

So we've found the true motivation of your posts. However, once again I think you're just being ignorant of reality.


I'll await your next post, so that you can ensure that I don't get in the last word, as I realize how important that concept seems to be to you. Just remember that the last word on all of this will really come from the forum members themselves, whether you realize that or not.


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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2003 6:08:31 PM

Hey, then What team am I on? Can Matrox be the crazy jack-a$$ killing everyone. HEhe, kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out! :cool:


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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2003 6:22:02 PM

GW, yeah the P260 / the CRT with DVI input; but from what I can tell (from my minimal research so far) it's a WEIRD one called a DVI-A, allowing you to hook it up to a DVI connector (which I have on the back of this Savage 32 a work), but it's analog (I don't know if the card figures it out or what?). It just says (DVI)-2 and (HD-15)-1 <-VGA. SO I'm gonna get the spec sheet from IBM, but their description from their site just says DVI. I'll let you know when I find out for sure.


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September 15, 2003 7:51:50 PM

I completely agree with grape. Let me use a simple analogy to validate his point:

For somone like my mother, a car is as good as anyother car as long as it can go 60mph. For her the 0-60 doesn't matter neither does the gps traking or the sweet audio system. She is quite happy with her civic and that is her preference. Nothing wrong here.

Now lets say some other guy likes FAST cars that have max speeds of 200mph and go 0-60 in 3s. So he is willing to pay for a Ferrari. He too is quite happy with his italian leather interior, gps navigation, sweet audio system etc... and he is also quite happy to pay $100k + for it. This is also fine because it is his preference.

Now the problem here is that what if a company "falsified" tests and said that their car could do 0-60 just as fast, and that it too had italian leather and the best audio system. So that guy bought it instead of the ferrari and it turned out that the car did not do 0-60 in 3s but in 6s and it didn't have italian leather but just mexican leather. That guy has a right to be pissed off at the company.

The point is not wheter its right or wrong to want AA or aniso, or want those extra FPS, what you want is your preference. The point is that when someone pays $500 for a product expecting to get such things and gets no better performance than something he could have gotten from another company for $150, it is bound to piss him off. The point is that someone who bought the 5900 expecting to play hl2 and doom3 and other dx9 games with all the bells and whistles should get what they paid for.

By the way don't say that HL2 was optimized for ATI. Since valve has clearly stated that no special code was written for ATI and they actually spend 5x as much time writing "special" code for nvidia. I mean think about it, since most people have nvidia cards, how would it help valve sell more games by making a game that doesn't run well on them? All valve said was that just writing DX9 compatible code was not sufficient to run HL2 well on nvidia boards, they had to write special code so it would run well and this caused significant delays and costs in the development. The whole point of having standards like DX9 is that it makes for an easier and cheaper game development and the gamers benefit from more, and cheaper games. The whole point is that game developers should have to have that much "special" code for one hardware or another (except some minor details which are included in every games). Nvidia screwed up their DX9 implementation and now all of us gamers will have to pay for it by waiting longer for games we want and perhaps even paying more at the stores.


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