I bet Nvidia is really pissed about this....

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[coolsquirtle]

DOH > <

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[TKS]

They might not be pissed....they might be crying to mama right about now. Poor bastards. Well...one lie becomes another and pretty soon instead of R&D they're too busy doing PR patch ups. :tongue:

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[ufo_warviper]

What is new that in this statement? I thought that ALL major videor/mobo chipset/CPU manufacturers already kept each other in check for compatibility and innovation and have been doing this for years. Did I miss something in the article?

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[coolsquirtle]

stupid patch up
they could have jsut said
"3Dfx did it" and moved on BUT NOOOO they had to come up with all these theories


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Seiously, I think there's more people employed in their PR department than in the R&D/Driver dept.


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Cool, I'm thinking about geting hat A64-Z51 after all the performance reviews so far. The only problem is supposedly the 2 new socket designs will be supplanted by another socket in Q2 '04. Which doesn' make me feel good about upgrade options.

But I do like the fact that the the R9600P and it's brethren won't cause me any issues should I go that route instead of the P4-Extreme.


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[cleeve]

The funny part is, Nvidia was first with a driver for the Windows64 beta.

Really, you can't take this PR positioning seriously. Why would either company have a problem making a 64 bit driver? Their GPUs have exceeded 32 bits for a few years already, haven't they?

As far as A64, I'm looking forward to one... 2 upgrades from now. My trusty old motherboard will still take a decent speed grade, as I'm currently running an Athlon 2000+, and the board will take a 2600+. So I'll be moving to a 2600+ CPU for HL2 and Doom3 in the near future...

...then in 8 months or so when the prices have settled down to reasonable levels, I'll buy the best price/performance CPU and mobo I can afford. Chances are it'll be an Athlon64 paired with Windows64, but who knows for sure? Might be a P4. And when's Prescott coming out anyway?

Only time will tell.

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[flamethrower205]

Well neee, ima blow 1600 bucks on 2x hammers, course it'll be worth it

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[daddywags214]

I bet you can find a 2600 for dirt cheap, now that A64 is here.

<b>nVidia cheated on me so I left her for ATi. ATi's hotter anyway...</b>

 

[coolsquirtle]

nah dont do it~ u donno know if that the socket will last long or not, also once prescott comes out chances are they'll have more powerful A64 therefore cheaper A64s for everyone

i'd hold my horses and overclock the R9600pro till it blows up

and i'm getting another P4 CPU > <

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[eden]

Don't consider any A64 FX any soon, as you said, because the socket will change.

Furthermore I guarantee you an FX system will cost much more than the P4EE. ECC RAM makes things so much more expensive, and RB Computers in Ottawa has the FX-51, at 1145$!

Worth the postal service wage? I think not!

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yeah I'm still thinking maybe a LAPTOP, but seriously where the FAQ are the Mobile R9600P in the Thinkpads and Dells (only ones I can get cheap through work). I'd love to get an Alienware, but even they aren't delivering info. Well I'll have to see. I'm itching for an upgrade, but I don't know why, there's not much I can't do on my two PCs, and really I DO need a new laptop. The other two are getting old and even the Stylistic becomes obsolete considering the lack of W98 support on newer stuff.

Anywhoo, I'll wait, but I've got a little money left over after paying tuition and before ski season starts I'm itching to spend. Oh well, so be it. I really am stumped by that stoopid change in socket in 6-8 months, cause these things ain't gonna be cheap for at least 3 mths.

Dang! And that new Gigabyte K8NNXP is looking mighty nice.
Tempting, very tempting. But I'm gonna wait, especially to see how it does against the Extreme.


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[coolsquirtle]

get a Alienware


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I know this has once again turned into a CPU htread instead of Graphics card, but I just thought I'd post this recent Inquirer article that sorta addressed the issue.

<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11759" target="_new">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11759</A>

I'm going to wait no matter what but things may not look as bright as we expected for larger cache.


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[ufo_warviper]

Where's Captain Obvious when you need him?

Anywayz, Captain Obvious would say "Captain Obvious says go drowned all your money on the latest flagship CPU."

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[Guest]

Captain Obvious says 'You Rang?'.

Captain Obvious also points out that the P4 EE can also run SMP! Something XEON users are NOT happy about!

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[TKS]

Maybe on site there might be...but overall...most likely not. Companies like to go outside for R&D....I wouldn't put it past them to get a PR firm to rep them either.

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[infiltrator]

I really don't see why anyone would be upset about anything here - both have XP64 support? This is obviously another pathetic nVidia Bashing attempt.

 

[TKS]

Sorry bout that, I didn't clarify.
I was talking about the money allotted for each department...not the number of peeps working in each. If they spend too much on PR patch ups...they have less budgeted for other departments.

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Oh yeah that's true, but sometimes PR will yield better and quicker results than R&D. So sometimes in order to make up for the shortcomings of previous R&D you must put more money into CURRENT PR, whihc come out of FUTURE R&D, but also guarantees (or improves the likelyhood) not losing your market so quickly.

PR has it's place, but unfortunately it is being used to liberally nowadays IMO. And unfortunately I think we're going to see alot of it in the coming months from all over.


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[ufo_warviper]

Its a shame. Public relations committees shold be used to present the good features of products and not used to boss people around or lie.

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[eden]

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The one who told you theory and practice was vastly different, deserves a Nobel prize award for the statement. It could never have been any more true in the economy doctrine.

Last year I spent learning Ec. class, yet I haven't noticed many of the 5 depts. in any company being used as the theory described them to be:

-Marketing has no such market-research! Do you see many major tech companies catering to consumers' needs?
-PR is no longer Public Relations. It has no "Lady PR talks to customers". It's now recognized as the method to lie to the public and use deceptive advertising. Then again since when has marketing been about honest advertising!
-Advertising no longer is ethical marketing, it's making the product have its own inflated ego!

Really, there is so much more. Economy is the one thing where theory is like a dimension of its own with its own alien specie. Practice has no bearing, or almost not. It's truly disappointing. Welcome to the modern capitalist maquette!

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Dude I'll bypass your first sentence, because you're young my friend and have much to learn about economics (should you take the time in future studies).

You are correct in that Marketers and Economists basically discount the effects of each others field/roles.

However Economics isn't as stade as you think and if you ever do take more advanced courses you will get techers who can give you better more modern examples to make you understand that theory is moulded by practice (just like marketing). Economics can even be used to describe how politicians make decisions and in many cases politicians use political economics (different from monetary and production economics) to influence FUTURE votes, and political actions.

There is a difference between theory and practice, but that's because unlike things like chemistry and physics there's the human factor that is involved. Irrational, emotional, and unpredictable. You add chemicals and a catalyst you can guarantee the same thing will happen everytime. Same thing with physics. The main reason, externalities are excluded. With economics, it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to have a model that doesn't have external factors/forces. Ceteris Paribus is a common saying in economics, it means 'All things being equal', and unfortunately rarely do we have all things being equal.

It's not clear what you're saying with your 'bullets'. I think one of the things you need to realize when comparing marketing and economics is that makreting is used to predict/understand consumer actions, and economic theory is used to understand/predict production aspects. They may seem like disparate entities, but really they are the opposite side of the same coin.

Truely you have to know the role of each and how they fit into the whole system/economy.


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[ufo_warviper]

Dang, you remember your Economics class very well. I liked Economics. I had a very crappy teacher though. He was a nice guy that knew what he was talking about, but he left the all the math part of it for us to figure out on our own. So, it was me often showing the other students what to do in that dang class. What Economics courses did you take TheGreatGrapeApe?

All I've completed is Microeconomic and Macroeconomics. We didn't even cover all the chapters in the book. I noticed that in my Economics class, I could relate mathematical concepts learned in Statistics class. I actually found alot of similarites between Economics and Statistics even though none were expressly stated as correlating iwth one another.

right now I'm taking Introduction to Business.

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