ATI has been a bad monkey

[TKS]

<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-26.html?3162" target="_new">This review</A> of a Prolink PixelView 5900 Ultra has some interesting info on it.

Sure it says the 9800 Spanks the crap outta it just like the rest of the reviews used with Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness...but the interesting thing is the info on <A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-26.html?3162#p3" target="_new">this part</A> of the review. It seems I was right on when thinking that PS 2.0 was not something not enabled by default with ATI's R350. Notice the snapshots of default enablings and that PS 2.0 depth of field is not enabled. Wonder why this is? It states on ATI's page that it supports PS 2.0...so why is it disabled by default? Wouldn't that be something you'd want to enable and have as a high point if your card can do it?

I imagine that there is a software render capability if you enable it OR it may not enable at all? Or perhaps it slows down the performance soooo much that if you enable it the 5900 Ultra might defeat it? What gives? So there's a bit of a mystery here...

Is ATI Lying to us stating that its cards are PS 2.0 compliant if they're not? Or is it only a 'little white lie' because they are software enabled or emulated? Is this right or should there be FULL ON SUPPORT of PS 2.0 embedded in the hardware? What constitutes false advertising? Should all of their specs be hardware encoded?

I think that the card should have everything that is on their specs page hardware embedded. Because if it isn't...it should go on the drivers page. If it takes a driver to enable a spec on the <b>card</b> page....then it should be listed under the driver specs...not the card ones. Now I know I am a bigtime ATI fan but this chaps my arse that there is some shadiness on ATI's part. This makes me think that ATI has been a bad monkey. Any thoughts on this?

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[cleeve]

I can't find the part where it says that Ati's PS2 is turned off by default.

All I could find is that they said they turned off PS2 depth of field on both cards for the review becuause the 5900 has bugs and won't work with it. So that's why they turned it off in the tomb raider:AOD benchmark control panel.

Which part of the review says that the Ati cards have it disabled?



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[kmolazz]

Well, you made kind of a foolish post... should have tried to find info before saying things like that.


The DOF effect was removed by recent patchs because there was a bug with FX cards which rendered it incorrectly and because the developers thought the final result of the effect wasn't worth the performance penalty (which was a lot higher on the FX cards) it brought.


check this:
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/albatron/gffx5900pv/index.php?p=9

 

[TKS]

My point wasn't about the Nvidigay card...it was about the ATI one. Even if it was disabled due to the faulty driver in the GFFX...why didn't they give it a benchmark with the PS 2.0 depth of field...for what it is supposed to do, it should be freaking awesome...for both quality and performance. So why? Why not bench with em off and on?

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[TKS]

dats cuz i misread the article. Dunno where my head was on that one. Sorry

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yeah, TKS you're jumping to conclusions based on the screen capture. Like the review said the new patch removes it, and the default MAY be off, but it doesn't mean anything, alot of things are defauled to lower/off because that's where people usually want them.

You'd need a little more evidence, because right now it's just a HUGE assumption on your part, and really not based on any fact.


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[TKS]

heh...and I don't think I'll get this one...I made a mistake and I'll accept it. *puts dumbass hat on*

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Hey don't touch MY hat!

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[spud]

You were very bad my friend *spud inserts penis in TKS's nose.

-Jeremy

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[ufo_warviper]

*UFO remove spud's Penis from TKS's nose by means of dismemberement*

*Patches up TKS's nostrils*

*Laugh's at spud's missing body parts*

*THere! Now no more "Inserts penis in the <b>GRAPHICS CARD</b> forum"*

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

 

[Guest]

Captain Obvious speaks for many when he says 'WTF'!

<b><font color=red>Captain Obvious To The Rescue!!!</font color=red></b>

 

[ufo_warviper]

I agree.

Hey Cap'n, do you think you'll be sticking around on these forums for a long time. I think your "contribution" is some of the most interesting I've seen. Hey, maybe if you keep this Captain_Obvious stuff going for a few months, you might get a custom title! Anywayz, I've really enjoyed your presence here so far. Keep up the good work on your mission of "exposing the obvious".

My OS features preemptive multitasking, a fully interactive command line, & support for 640K of RAM!

 

[TKS]

I think I might adapt a pseudo-nic for the forum too. I think I'll call him, U_R_DUMB or something like that. :tongue:

<b><i>Nvidia,</i> the way it's meant to be benchmarked.</b>

 

[spud]

-Jeremy

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=faq&notfound=1&code=1" target="_new">Busting Sh@t Up In My Buddies Face!!!</A>

 

[eden]

Hey Cap'n, do you think you'll be sticking around on these forums for a long time. I think your "contribution" is some of the most interesting I've seen. Hey, maybe if you keep this Captain_Obvious stuff going for a few months, you might get a custom title! Anywayz, I've really enjoyed your presence here so far. Keep up the good work on your mission of "exposing the obvious".

Wouldn't be the first time a secondary username for someone had earned a title before the rightful first one! :lol:

Just look at Evil_Hammie, Poobaa's hamster!

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[ufo_warviper]

Really Now? I didn't knwo Poobaa had a secondary name. I'm wondering how Poobaa got figured out.

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[eden]

Well, lol, saying he has Hammie as a Hamster name and making a username called that, is pretty obvious. It was a cute character and definitely Poobaa material.

Damn I miss the days he'd go into the OTHER and joke around with Hammie. :frown:

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