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October 20, 2003 3:57:50 PM

I need to buy a new graphics card, and i want to buy a radeon 9600
But, with should i choose:

1: Sapphire Radeon 9600XT Atlantis 256M DDR
AGP, ATI 9600XT, DVI-I, TV-Out, Retail for 244$

2:Sapphire Radeon 9600 Atlantis PRO 128MB
AGP,"Fireblade Edition", Retail for 225$

3:Sapphire Radeon 9600 Atlantis PRO 128MB
AGP, ATI 9600PRO, VIVO, DVI-I, Retail. for 217$

4:Sapphire Radeon 9600 Atlantis PRO 128MB
AGP,ATI9600PRO,DVI-I,TV-Out, Lite Retail for 200$

5: Sapphire Radeon 9800SE Atlantis 128M DDR
AGP, ATI 9800SE, DVI-I, TV-Out, Retail for 256$

Is it big difference on 9600 pro and 9600xt???


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ozzit on 10/20/03 06:00 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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October 20, 2003 5:17:02 PM

I have a better option!

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4:Sapphire Radeon 9600 Atlantis PRO 128MB
AGP,ATI9600PRO,DVI-I,TV-Out, Lite Retail for 200$


Take it at <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=1..." target="_new">newegg</A> for only $148 plus $5 shipping! That beats all your other options, best bang for the buck!



Still looking for a <b>good online retailer</b> in Spain :frown:
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October 20, 2003 5:20:57 PM

The 9600XT's well worth it for the Half Life 2 voucher.

Other than that, any 9600 PRO will do.

But stay away from anything with an SE behind it. Horrible and overpriced.

Also, doesn't the 'lite' version have very slow memory? Not sure that's a good buy at any price...

Bottom line:

Go $225 "fireblade edition" (great memory for overclocking I believe) unless you will buy half-life 2 anyway, in which case you can't beat the XT.



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October 20, 2003 5:57:43 PM

From <A HREF="http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/9600pro.asp" target="_new">Saphire</A> website:

"Full retail indicates that the package contains the entire bundle including the Game software bundle and utilities. <b>The Lite retail versions do not come bundled with the software bundle and are packaged with the neccessities needed to enjoy the pinnacle in performance from Sapphire alone.</b>"

So Lite does not equal "SE", means without goodies. Saphire has a 9600 SE version, but Lite version is as good as Full retail. I suppose package/accessories will be something between Retail and OEM.


Still looking for a <b>good online retailer</b> in Spain :frown:
October 20, 2003 7:35:52 PM

GeForce FX5700.....seriously....

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October 20, 2003 7:43:58 PM

Is the 5700 available?

How much is it?

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October 20, 2003 8:22:35 PM

Quote:
Is the 5700 available?

soon


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October 20, 2003 8:34:05 PM

The XT gives very little performance boost over the pro but it looks cooler than the pro. You wont notice a change between the 2 with your gamming.

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October 20, 2003 8:43:42 PM

Quote:
The XT gives very little performance boost over the pro but it looks cooler than the pro. You wont notice a change between the 2 with your gamming

And how do you know that?...do you own one?
Why dont you try forming an oppinion based on first hand knowledge instead of trying to be cool and act like you know what your talking about.

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October 20, 2003 9:02:47 PM

Thx to all who replyed my post..

What about Half life 2?
Do i get Half-life 2 when i buy XT?
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 12:14:49 AM

Heh, at those prices you could get an AIW 9600 Pro. They clock just as high as the XT and have FASTER RAM, 2.6ns Samsung, rated by Samsung at 385MHz (DDR770) and good to 400MHz (DDR800) with ramsinks.

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October 22, 2003 12:40:56 AM

Can you wait?

Supposedly they are going to respin the R9600XT to make it more competitive (and hopefully pop on better ram). I personally would wait for more news. And maybe consider what GW said, but only if the reviews show that the PS2.0/DX9 issues aren't still on the FX5700.

However from what you've posted I'd say if you aren't overclcoking anything, then the XT is the best choice. If you are willing to risk overclocking, then the Fireblade is a really cgood choice, as it has the guaranteed fast memory (guaranteed to clock to minimum of 325mhz, and usually comes with the 2.86ns Samsung memory memory, which in my case reaches 360+ stable (my core reaches 530+ stable). The core of the XT clocks much higher than the pro versions due to the new process (alot of reviewers have broken the 600mhz barrier with stock cooling), but the memory is the main drawback right now (one reviewer showed that an increase in the core speed of the XT resulted in minimal increases, but increasing the memory adding as much as 10+% performance increase on just a slight OC of the feeble memory.

The problem with the REGULAR Sapphire Atlantis (ie non-fireblade) is that it can ship with a variety of memory modules from 2.86ns to the 3.3ns modules, and thus may not OC well.

I wouldn't bother with the lite at all; and the R9800SE is too expensive for a card that has a low chance of mod success, and isn't up to the performance of a stock R9600P when left in standard config.

I would say your best deals are the XT and Fireblade, the question is what do you value more in it. Check various benchmarks (I posted a bunch a while back) and see if it plays the games YOU like better. Some of the new features of the XT are attractive and may be worth it if they appeal to you.

But like I said before, I'd wait just a tiny bit longer for more info about an R9600XT re-spin and the FX5700 info.


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a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 1:02:44 AM

Crash do you have any of the review with the AIW with that memory? All the ones I've read so far show the same 2.86ns memory as on my card, they just clocked it higher. If they have memory like that on the AIW, why the F'* don't they slap it on the XT? Cheesy if you ask me!


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October 22, 2003 1:03:51 AM

go team 5700Ultra :D 

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a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 1:11:33 AM

Go Fetch me some PS2.0 and DX9 for that FX5700 first before you start cheering from the cheap seats you R9600Pro wannabe/soontabe/stillcan'tbeatme! :tongue:


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October 22, 2003 2:48:09 AM

Do you have any benchmarks on the FX5700?
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 2:55:14 AM

In fact I do have a review, but it's not published yet.

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October 22, 2003 4:20:28 AM

*arg*
commands mojo to recall all the R9600pro and replace them with 9650pros which uses a dustbuster for a fan and runs super hot because mojo did magic to it

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October 22, 2003 4:29:26 AM

what's with you and mojo?

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.51G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 270mhz 2.5-4-4-8 -Geforce2 MX400(i know i know) -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 8:47:44 AM

My mistake, someone misinterpreted the values, it really is 2.86ns.

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October 22, 2003 8:56:22 AM

Or you can try the cards from Transcend.

I'll be getting 9600 Pro on Tuesday, if you want to know how it's clocked and what memory it uses. (Info on this card is scarce on the web, but I'm taking the chance)

Details on the card is at

http://transcendusa.com/VGA/VGAProduct.asp?id=22&Lang=

I hope it performs as good as it looks. The 'made by ATI' is rather bland. I don't know about the Sapphires.
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 1:30:22 PM

Dang, I was hoping. :frown:

There is a store in town selling the R9600AIW for less than $300CDN, and it MIGHT be a nice swap out for the current model if I can recoup $200 from the sale of the R9600P to a friend who's been interested in it. All the VIVO and such would be a nice bonus, plus the nice overclockable memory.
I'm tempted, but it's probably not a good idea considering the amount of TV I watch from digital cable and Sat. which I would have to feed through a second converter box (or remove the sat receiver for PiP from the living room). I like the AIW line, I've had 2 of them before and a VIVO RageFury.

Oh well I'll wait for the RV380 or R42X version. :cool:

Then it would definitely be a good addition if it's still only $99 extra, and who knows, maybe ATI will take advantage of the PCI-EX bus to add HDTV in of some kind (yes with compression of course), now that would make me rush out and also grab a $500 HDTV tuner. Dang, I better start saving now. :eek: 


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October 22, 2003 2:15:45 PM

I think i can wait, i need the new graphicscard to hl 2 and doom 3, and it can take some time before they will come out...
And i don't want to buy a FX 5700, i don't like nvida┬┤s cards.
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 3:24:42 PM

the BB-ATI's may be bland (except the killer EVIL GOALIE Box), but they overclock better than 90% of the cards out there.

Let me know what your Overclocks are and we can compare. :evil: 

I don't need the flash and bling-bling CoolS is looking for, just gimme the best quality and features of the actual card. Heck all the missing connectors I already had (like 3 of each, even the DVI-VGA adapter I have 2 now and I don't even need it yet).

There's very few Mfr. I'd put above the BBAs, and the Sapphires I'd only recommend the FireBlade edition, and that's at such a premium, I'd say spend the money and go Hercules if you can, the most non-bland cards in the ATI line (although that may change with the addition of Asus to the fold).


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a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 3:32:22 PM

I can't beleive I'm saying this, but;

Don't count nV out just yet. Yes I respect your preference, we all have them, but don't ignore the FX5700U if it is an improved card, and does outperform. But if you are stuck on ATI, they are doing very well with their stuff right now.

It shouldn't be too long a wait befor we know how things shape up. It appears that the NDA for the FX5700 expires at the end of the month. As for the ATI respin we'll likely know by mid-late Nov. I'd think.

However don't wait too long, you still want to be able to get the R9600Pro should you want to go that route (they'll likely still be around 'til X-mas in most lines, and then many OEMs should still be carrying them 'til Spring). Also I doubt that they will come down significantly more after the end of the month, and you could be playing all that time, instead of saving ~$5.

So Don't close your mind to the FXs completely, but if you do the R9600 series isn't a BAD choice by any means (I really like mine).

Anywhoo, that's just my take on it.


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October 22, 2003 6:11:42 PM

He's drinking way to much Java.
a b U Graphics card
October 22, 2003 11:02:13 PM

<A HREF="http://www.sysopt.com/reviews/ati-AiW9600Pro/index.html" target="_new">Here's that review</A>

The editor added the system requirements at the end and I've notified him of the mistake.

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October 23, 2003 6:56:55 AM

I'll submit the results. Though it will not be overclocked results. I haven't overclocked since I had my P3. (600Mhz to 800Mhz standard cooling, been running like that for 3,5 years) Back then it was easier.

I'm getting the card today, whole weekend to play.
October 23, 2003 4:09:36 PM

Well...
I guess i want to see if the FX 5700 is a good card for a good price first, i think the cards they selling now are to expensive and not good as ATI
But maybe the 5700 is good, i wait and see
October 23, 2003 8:47:55 PM

I just checked out FX 5700...

FX 5700 are owned by 9600 XT in all good games!!!
Does anybody know when the new 9600 XT are comming??
October 23, 2003 9:08:17 PM

I got the Transcend Radeon 9600Pro today. Runs at 300/400Mhz. The memory is Samsung 325. I haven't tweaked a single thing on the PC yet. My Aquamark score is 25966. (No AA of course) Kicks my friend's 5600 butt so bad. The card cost me about $132. It should be cheaper in your country. I'll post some overclocking results the weekend.
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2003 10:44:04 PM

The funny thing is that it's STILL wrong. :lol: 

It's 2.86ns memory (wouldn't that make it 2.9?), the only 2.8ns memory out there is the crap Hynix stuff on the Connect3D (and the like) boards and that stuff actually overclocks WORSE than the 2.86ns stuff.

But it's a small omission.... I GUESS! :wink:


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a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2003 10:50:02 PM

Lemme know if you wanne see mine.

[little innocent boy voice] I'll show you mine if you show me yours! [/little innocent boy voice] :evil: 

Here's the link to my OC'd (although no where near my max) A3 scores;
<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=2351428..." target="_new">http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=2351428...;/A>


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October 23, 2003 11:05:29 PM

owned? i dont understand, u take "behind by 5-10FPS" OWNED?
FX5700Ultra and R9600XT are even in most games and behind eachother by "5-10FPS" at times. how is that owned????

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October 24, 2003 7:12:49 AM

[Old man's voice] My, my, what big ears you have [Old man's voice]

Your score is quite impressive. I see your card is clocked quite high. Mine's 300/400 still. What is your AGP voltage? What's best... Omega or Cat 3.8?
October 24, 2003 12:28:15 PM

Radeon 9600 xt own Geforce fx 5700 because:

1: Radeon 9600 xt got more fps in games, look on battlefield 20 fps more!!
2: Radeon 9600 xt got a lower price than Geforce fx 5700
October 24, 2003 12:42:21 PM

Quote:
Here's the link to my OC'd (although no where near my max) A3 scores;
<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=2351428..." target="_new">http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=2351428...;/A>

When I replace my mobo, my little Ti4200 will beat your score...<A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1577270..." target="_new">http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1577270...;/A> :smile: :smile: :smile:



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October 24, 2003 1:22:07 PM

does anyone know when the 9600xt's will be available?
a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2003 2:23:27 PM

Voltage is the same, uping the bus without the voltmod seems to adversly effect scores.

And actually my card can go 535/365(730) without artifacts/lock-ups. And usually when people post clockrates it's core/mem(effective mem) just FYI. Also, there's alot of members who have be able to acheive above 550mhz cores without the volt mod, and with the volt mod have been able to push to core above 600 and the memory above 375.

As for drivers Omega's usually give you the best gaming experience (although the ones based on the 'leaked' drivers seem to have a few glitches), but for overclocking and benchmarking I've found the standard Cat drivers use in conjunction with Rage3DTweak works best (a little more control on clock/core speeds too [as long as you don't want to go outside the slider's range {which was close for me, Core maxs at ~550 on the Rage3D OC utility}]).


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a b U Graphics card
October 24, 2003 2:31:49 PM

LOL!

GW, look at my Speeds, not the max we got in our last battle. And I can always slap in a friend's XP3000+ (166/333) just to beat that. What's a little AS3 just to whup ya'? :tongue:

Do you really wanna go head-to-head again?!? Looking for a fried.. err, burning excuse for a new card? :wink:


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October 24, 2003 2:57:21 PM

What are you using for Kooling on your TI4200?
October 27, 2003 5:19:56 AM

The Transcend runs beautifully. Runs at 453/345 MHz stock cooling. 3DMark gives artifacts at 465/360. Mind you, I'm running a $15 PSU and it was rather hot yesterday. (one case fan as well) AquaMarks is sitting at 29,247. Probably have to get Omega drivers as well as some ramsinks... Thanks for the help. I know it was someone elses post. Sorry.

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