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Catalyst Comparison, Updated October 03, 2004

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November 10, 2003 5:31:14 AM

Grape I love u :D 

it turns out my 3Dmark 2k3 is normal :D  just 2k1 that's [-peep-] up = = aquamark is 2000 lower

but the thing is
I HAVEA P4 2.4 +875P mobo +Pc3500 512 ram, how the f*** can we get similar results ?!

*smacks head into the wall many many times......*

RIP Block Heater....HELLO P4~~~~~
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bring it fanATics~~ nVidia PWNS all!
SCREW aBOX! LONG LIVE nBOX!!
November 10, 2003 5:57:41 AM

Wow grape thanks a lot for the info, i think you should ask Fredi to lock that so it stays on top or we could just keep bumping it.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
November 10, 2003 6:01:11 AM

bump

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
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November 10, 2003 8:26:54 AM

Your cpu/mobo combo must be screwed :tongue: , more system tweaking require! :wink:
November 10, 2003 1:54:53 PM

Holy $hit, thanks for the hard work, Ape.

We should start a hardware review site. Could be fun...

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Radeon 9500 (hardmodded to PRO, o/c to 322/322)
AMD AthlonXP 2400+ (o/c to 2600+ with 143 fsb)
3dMark03: 4055
November 10, 2003 3:49:46 PM

bump.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
November 10, 2003 4:39:28 PM

<b>Cleeve</b>, it would definitely be fun. The thing was I did it all while watching the games, so it didn't feel like work at all, just alot of time went by in the meantime(started benching at 11 am finished writing at 11PM).

I'm glad you guys are getting some useful info out of it.

<b>CoolS</b>, I don't know why there are differences. Everything is set to high pretty much so it's not the quality differences. Very strange.

If this is made into a sticky, I will add to it with each additional release of the Catalyst Drivers, up until I get a new rig, and Then I will have to Start from scratch, but that will be fun to with a new rig.


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November 10, 2003 4:50:59 PM

Do that ape, that'll be great.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
November 10, 2003 5:26:47 PM

I own the domain highperformancepc.com ... I bought it a long time back when I was considering being a pioneer in Canadian online hardware sales.

Missed the boat on that, but it's still a good domain name for a hardware review site.

Hell, imagine all the free hardware we'd get to play with just for reviewing?... (drool)

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Radeon 9500 (hardmodded to PRO, o/c to 322/322)
AMD AthlonXP 2400+ (o/c to 2600+ with 143 fsb)
3dMark03: 4055
November 10, 2003 5:48:42 PM

Thats a good post. I have read alot about fast writes causing problems.
I wonder if it is a 9600 issue or a VIA issue or a combination of both?
Because I have no problems with fast writes on the 3.7s with my nforce2/9800.
I point the finger at VIA. :smile:

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
November 10, 2003 6:06:13 PM

Oh man, you are cool--thanks for doing this. If at all possible, can this be a sticky? I'd offer to do one for nVidia next weekend...just my Ti4400 may not be the best/most up-to-date card to do it with and I won't have it for too much longer :smile: . Additionally, I get some REALLY fvcked up results on 3DMark03 330...maybe you or someone else can help. It may just be that since my card isn't DX9 compatible that I'm getting such low scores. Specs:

2.66GHz P4b
1GB PC1066 RDRAM
Ti4400@300,600
Maxtor Diamondplus 9 80GB boot drive

3DMark2001SE: 13107
3DMark2003: 1600
Runs Halo, full detail at 1024x768 at around 35-40FPS.

I don't think I have any other DX9 games (unless the NFS:U demo is), so I can't really test it that way. Regardless, however, I think that score is awfully low. Especially when I score higher than you on 2001SE, but less than half of your score on 2003 330. Anyway, any recommendations would help.

BTW, it's not an unsuccesful OC, I turned it back to stock speeds and it dropped to 1254. Oh yeah, I am running Omega 45.23s performance optimized.




Damn Rambus.
November 10, 2003 6:34:42 PM

bump

Damn Rambus.
November 10, 2003 6:34:42 PM

You're getting low scores is natural in 3dMark 2003, because you don't have a DirectX 9 card.

There are tests the Geforce4 Ti series won't even run in 3dMark 2003.

I wouldn't sweat it though, the 4400 is a pretty darn decent card... benchmarks don't tell everything.

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Radeon 9500 (hardmodded to PRO, o/c to 322/322)
AMD AthlonXP 2400+ (o/c to 2600+ with 143 fsb)
3dMark03: 4055
November 10, 2003 6:39:31 PM

Phew...I'm glad because 5 minutes ago I decided to keep it until R42X/NV40. Anyway, it does run games pretty well, just evidently not DX9 stuffs (though Halo runs surprisingly well at full detail and at 1024x768). Oh well, thanks Cleeve, you made my day...

Damn Rambus.
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
November 10, 2003 8:14:55 PM

Yeah, the funny thing is that the GF4ti is a DX8 card, not even a DX8.1 card, so it doesn't take advantage of PS1.4 (it only has up to 1.3) parts of the test, and therefore runs using PS 1.1. This gives it some strange scores against the R8500/9000/etc which are all DX8.1 cards.

If you wanted a few other benchies you can check out <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com" target="_new">theGURUof3D</A> which has alot of them. I think I'm going to go up and edit the review a little later (depends on workload today at work) to make all the benchmarks clickable to a place you can get a copy to try to benchmark your own stuff.

Also, it may be better to try and get a DX9 card to do a Det. example simply to have a good DX9 comparison since I picked most of the benchmarks to be more DX9 centric, the only 'only DX8 benchie' is 3Dmk01 just as a standard reference.


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November 10, 2003 8:31:23 PM

Damn...crazy little card for only DX8.0...oh well, it runs most of the games I play with decent alacrity. Anyway...now that I know that--I agree that doing a gross benchmark test would not be a good idea.

I asked around my dorm to see if anyone had a 5X00 graphics card--nobody cept a laptop owner who had a 5650ultra (maybe not ultra--I forget), so that really isn't worth my time since I can't bring it to my computer. Oh well--no DX9 testing for me...at least not until R42X and NV40 (BTW, thanks for clarifying that situation for me--I just hope that I'll get a new mobo/cpu/ram with that).

Damn Rambus.
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
November 10, 2003 9:35:49 PM

I haven't had time to update the comparison charts. BEen busy non-stop since about November. Anywhooo, instead of leaving nothing I've decide to add the list of Catalyst reviews for the most recent drivers (Thanks to Wusy for his contribution);

<A HREF="http://www.3dcenter.de/artikel/catalyst_treibervergleic..." target="_new">3DCenter Has a Very large look at Catalyst 3.2 - 5.1 (warning it's in German)</A> <b><font color=red>_</font color=red></b> <A HREF="http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?..." target="_new">PoorBabelTranslation</A>

<A HREF="http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3J..." target="_new">Hexus compares 4.11 / 4.12 / 5.1</A>

<A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=article&dId..." target="_new">TweakTown also checks out 4.11/4.12/5.1</A>

<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.de/artikel/vergleiche/catalyst_englis..." target="_new">Rage3D.de looks at Cat 4.12 vs 5.1</A>

--(*)--

Here's a look at some basic Benchmarks using the various Catalyst drivers available.

<A HREF="http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html" target="_new">ATI's Driver Page</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=..." target="_new">Good instructions ('FoolProof') on how to instal/uninstall Catalyst drivers courtesy of ShaSha @ Rage3D</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=dd7874db58..." target="_new">Current Driver Issue list as compiled by Spyre @ Rage3D</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak" target="_new">Rage3DTweak</A>
<A HREF="http://www.omegacorner.com/" target="_new">OMEGA_Drivers</A>


If you require more information than this current post has to offer perhaps you can get the enlightenmnt you seek from the
<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">Previous Benchmarks and Review which can be found HERE</A>.

<b>All benchies run with the following <font color=red>SYSTEM</font color=red></b>;

AMD XP2000+ running at stock 133FSB.
on a Gigabyte GA-7VAX (KT400) Ver 1.1, with latest F12 bios.
VIA 4-in-1 driver version 4.51v
Corsair XMS PC3200 CL2 512mb single stick.
WD800JB 80gb w/ 8mb cache
Built By ATI R9600Pro@stock 398.25/297(594)mhz - 8X AGP, 128mb AGP Apeture (default),FastWrites disabled.
Creative Labs Audigy (OEM), w/ new 4.0 EAX drivers.

OS(s) used;
Windows 2000-Pro + SP6 + patched up to date of review (w/ Cat 3.7 / 3.9 / 4.1 / 4.2)
Windows XP-Pro + SP1 + patched up to date of review
Windows XP-Pro + SP2 + patches for CAT 4.8 and later.

To get an idea of system changes and their influence on results I'll run PCMark before each run w/ new drivers, only the first one will be published since I'm not going to steal it either.

*<b>Now for some XP Benchies</b>*:

<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new">PC Mark</A>:
<b>XP + Catalyst 3.9</b>: <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm04=232029" target="_new">2903</A>
<b>XP + CAT 3.10</b>: 2900
<b>XP + CAT 4.1</b>: 2915
<b>XP + CAT 4.2</b>: 2906
<b>XP + CAT 4.3</b>: 2917
<b>XP + OMG 4.3</b>: 2914
<b>XP + CAT 4.4</b>: 2924
<b>XP + OMG 4.4</b>: 2909
<b>XP + CAT 4.5</b>: 2858
<b>XP + CAT 4.6</b>: 2897
<b>XP + CAT 4.7</b>: 2883
<b>XP + CAT 4.8</b>: 2874
<b>XP + CAT 4.9(w/CCC)</b>: 2870
<b>XP + CAT 4.9(w/CP)</b>: 2907
<b>XP + OMG 4.9</b>: 2884

<i>DirectX benchies</i>:

<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>3Dmark2001SE(Patch 330)</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>Catalyst 3.9</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7613586" target="_new">10,040</A>
<b>Catalyst 3.10</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7613821" target="_new">10,109</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.1</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7658951" target="_new">9,950</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.2</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7656186" target="_new">10,055</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.3</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7648919" target="_new">9,965</A>
<b>Omega 4.3</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7684978" target="_new">9,926</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.4</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7736662" target="_new">10,011</A>
<b>Omega 4.4</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7765699" target="_new">9,926</A> (same as previous Omegas :cool: )
<b>Catalyst 4.5</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7920292" target="_new">9,873</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.6</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7966764" target="_new">9,918</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.7</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7966883" target="_new">9,907</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.8</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8113327" target="_new">10,084</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.9+CCC</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8113602" target="_new">9,884</A>
<b>Catalyst 4.9+CP</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8159296" target="_new">10,172</A>
<b>Omega 4.9</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8159764" target="_new">10,292</A>


<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>3Dmark2003(330)</font color=purple></b></A> (Sorry I still haven't bought and still won't steal it, so I will print the results);

<b>CAT 3.9:</b> total: 3192 ; GT1: 104.1fps GT2: 20.9fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 19.6fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1537.7 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.4fps ; Ragtroll: 13.6fps
<b>CAT 3.10:</b> total: 3214 ; GT1: 107.0fps GT2: 20.9fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 19.6fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.4 mt/s Multi: 1537.4 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.3fps ; Ragtroll: 13.5fps
<b>CAT 4.1:</b> total: 3195 ; GT1: 104.1fps GT2: 21.0fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 19.7fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1538.0 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.6fps
<b>CAT 4.2:</b> total: 3218 ; GT1: 106.9fps GT2: 20.9fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 19.7fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1537.7 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.5fps ; Ragtroll: 13.6fps
<b>CAT 4.3:</b> total: 3205 ; GT1: 103.0fps GT2: 20.7fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 20.4fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1566.0 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.1fps ; Ragtroll: 13.5fps
<b>OMG 4.3:</b> total: 3207 ; GT1: 102.8fps GT2: 20.7fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 20.4fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1566.0 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 32.9fps ; Ragtroll: 13.7fps
<b>CAT 4.4:</b> total: 3212 ; GT1: 103.8fps GT2: 20.7fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 20.4fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.0 mt/s Multi: 1565.2 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.1fps ; Ragtroll: 13.7fps
<b>OMG 4.4:</b> total: 3205 ; GT1: 103.0fps GT2: 20.7fps GT3: 19.1fps GT4: 20.5fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.4 mt/s Multi: 1565.7 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.1fps ; Ragtroll: 13.5fps
<b>CAT 4.5:</b> total: 3214 ; GT1: 102.7fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 21.0fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.1 mt/s Multi: 1565.2 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.0fps ; Ragtroll: 13.0fps
<b>CAT 4.6:</b> total: 3245 ; GT1: 102.3fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 21.8fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.2 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 32.4fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps
<b>CAT 4.7:</b> total: 3261 ; GT1: 102.3fps GT2: 20.6fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 22.2fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.1 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps
<b><font color=red>*</font color=red></b> I did see some additional glimmering (as if Micca walls) in Troll's Lair Test, but nothing like Vapor's runs.
<b>CAT 4.8:</b> total: 3302 ; GT1: 108.2fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 22.2fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps
(<b>*</b> Shimmering in previous driver gone in the 4.8 and 4.9 versions)
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC:</b> total: 3270 ; GT1: 104.9fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 22.1fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.4 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CP:</b> total: 3286 ; GT1: 108.5fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.0fps GT4: 22.1fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.3 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps
<b>OMG 4.9:</b> total: 3306 ; GT1: 108.7fps GT2: 20.5fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 22.1fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 896.5 mt/s Multi: 1565.3 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 33.2fps ; Ragtroll: 13.3fps

<b>***</b>
<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new"><font color=purple>3Dmark2005</font color=purple></A>
<b>***</b>

<b>CAT 4.9+CCC</b>: total: 1271 GT1: 5.5fps GT2: 3.4fps GT3: 6.9fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CP</b>: total: 1274 GT1: 5.5fps GT2: 3.4fps GT3: 6.9fps
<b>OMG 4.9</b>: total: 1294 GT1: 5.7fps GT2: 3.5fps GT3: 7.0fps

<A HREF="http://www.aquamark3.com/am3-mirrors.htm" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>Aquamark 3</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>CAT 3.9:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=276238272" target="_new">Total: 24,062 GFX: 3,357 CPU: 4,246</A>
<b>CAT 3.10:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=813111099" target="_new">Total: 23,995 GFX: 3,318 CPU: 4,332</A>
<b>CAT 4.1:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=142498993" target="_new">Total: 23,897 GFX: 3,324 CPU: 4,246</A>
<b>CAT 4.2:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=478012229" target="_new">Total: 23,998 GFX: 3,318 CPU: 4,336</A>
<b>CAT 4.3:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=121613517..." target="_new">Total: 23,854 GFX: 3,312 CPU: 4,260</A>
<b>OMG 4.3:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=208892273..." target="_new">Total: 23,832 GFX: 3,309 CPU: 4,257</A>
<b>CAT 4.4:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=208892273..." target="_new">Total: 23,919 GFX: 3,297 CPU: 4,350</A>
<b>OMG 4.4:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=135165498..." target="_new">Total: 23,755 GFX: 3,297 CPU: 4,253</A>
<b>CAT 4.5:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=145286360" target="_new">Total: 23,705 GFX: 3,294 CPU: 4,220</A>
<b>CAT 4.6:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=209197001..." target="_new">Total: 23,408 GFX: 3,246 CPU: 4,194</A>
<b>CAT 4.7:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=481358575" target="_new">Total: 23,426 GFX: 3,249 CPU: 4,200</A>
<b>CAT 4.8:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=13621299" target="_new">Total: 24,101 GFX: 3,339 CPU: 4,329</A>
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=149003051..." target="_new">Total: 23,971 GFX: 3,348 CPU: 4,215</A>
<b>CAT 4.9+CP:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=142353431..." target="_new">Total: 24,218 GFX: 3,357 CPU: 4,341</A>
<b>OMG 4.9:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=349798189" target="_new">Total: 25,831 GFX: 3,459 CPU: 5,100</A>


<A HREF="http://download.guru3d.com/gunmetal/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>GunMetal2</font color=purple></b></A>;

<b>CAT 3.9:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.20 fps Avg: 16.59 fps Max: 36.42 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.60 fps Avg: 20.68 fps Max: 49.47 fps
<b>CAT 3.10:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 9.60 fps Avg: 16.59 fps Max: 36.33 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.34 fps Avg: 20.78 fps Max: 47.24 fps
<b>CAT 4.1:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.20 fps Avg: 16.55 fps Max: 36.47 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.47 fps Avg: 20.67 fps Max: 45.59 fps
<b>CAT 4.2:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.20 fps Avg: 16.55 fps Max: 38.42 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.35 fps Avg: 20.76 fps Max: 46.56 fps
<b>CAT 4.3:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 9.72 fps Avg: 16.77 fps Max: 38.39 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.73 fps Avg: 20.80 fps Max: 48.28 fps
<b>OMG 4.3:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 13.58 fps Avg: 21.89 fps Max: 37.79 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 9.69 fps Avg: 25.25 fps Max: 51.18 fps
<b>CAT 4.4:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 9.64 fps Avg: 16.84 fps Max:43.60 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.47 fps Avg: 20.36 fps Max: 45.32 fps
<b>OMG 4.4:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 13.57 fps Avg: 21.92 fps Max: 36.86 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 9.70 fps Avg: 25.40 fps Max: 51.41 fps
<b>CAT 4.5:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 9.72 fps Avg: 16.75 fps Max: 38.42 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.35 fps Avg: 20.75 fps Max: 44.62 fps
<b>CAT 4.6:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 9.72 fps Avg: 16.71 fps Max: 38.39 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.47 fps Avg: 20.66 fps Max: 44.62 fps
<b>CAT 4.7:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.20 fps Avg: 16.58 fps Max: 35.34 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.60 fps Avg: 20.78 fps Max: 43.31 fps
<b>CAT 4.8:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.35 fps Avg: 16.78 fps Max: 37.40 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.47 fps Avg: 20.95 fps Max: 46.56 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.05 fps Avg: 16.47 fps Max: 37.40 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.60 fps Avg: 20.46 fps Max: 45.59 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CP:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: 10.20 fps Avg: 16.57 fps Max: 36.86 fps
(Benchmark 2) Min: 8.60 fps Avg: 20.66 fps Max: 50.20 fps
<b>OMG 4.9:</b>
(Benchmark 1) Min: <font color=red>Would Not Complete</font color=red> (2 attempts)
(Benchmark 2) Min: 9.84 fps Avg: 27.71 fps Max: 55.12 fps


<A HREF="http://download.guru3d.com/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=..." target="_new"><b><font color=purple>X2-Rolling Demo</font color=purple></b></A> (Highest FPS Scene 00, Lowest FPS Scene 19)

<b>CAT 3.9: </b> Avg: 58.706 fps Scene 00: 170.005 fps Scene 19: 20.901 fps
<b>CAT 3.10: </b> Avg: 58.765 fps Scene 00: 169.906 fps Scene 19: 21.185 fps
<b>CAT 4.1: </b> Avg: 57.486 fps Scene 00: 169.719 fps Scene 19: 20.359 fps
<b>CAT 4.2: </b> Avg: 58.415 fps Scene 00: 169.656 fps Scene 19: 21.105 fps
<b>CAT 4.3: </b> Avg: 57.472 fps Scene 00: 169.771 fps Scene 19: 20.155 fps
<b>OMG 4.3: </b> Avg: 57.239 fps Scene 00: 169.864 fps Scene 19: 19.976 fps
<b>CAT 4.4: </b> Avg: 57.119 fps Scene 00: 169.260 fps Scene 19: 20.067 fps
<b>OMG 4.4: </b> Avg: 56.267 fps Scene 00: 169.898 fps Scene 19: 19.457 fps
<b>CAT 4.5: </b> Avg: 57.579 fps Scene 00: 169.465 fps Scene 19: 19.080 fps
<b>CAT 4.6: </b> Avg: 55.063 fps Scene 00: 169.395 fps Scene 19: 19.080 fps
<b>CAT 4.7: </b> Avg: 55.652 fps Scene 00: 169.694 fps Scene 19: 19.016 fps
<b>CAT 4.8: </b> Avg: 58.491 fps Scene 00: 169.763 fps Scene 19: 21.284 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC: </b> Avg: 56.985 fps Scene 00: 165.469 fps Scene 19: 20.070 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CP: </b> Avg: 58.707 fps Scene 00: 169.675 fps Scene 19: 21.489 fps
<b>OMG 4.9: </b> Avg: 59.617 fps Scene 00: 169.854 fps Scene 19: 21.813 fps


<A HREF="http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/index.html" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>Rthdribl v1.2 </font color=purple></b></A> First intro scene;
(Settings: No AA, A16B16G16R16F, depth/stencil buffer format D3BFMTD24X8)

<b>CAT 3.9:</b> Min: 12.24fps Max: 18.03 fps
<b>CAT 3.10:</b> Min: 12.18fps Max: 18.22 fps
<b>CAT 4.1:</b> Min: 12.91fps Max: 18.45 fps
<b>CAT 4.2:</b> Min: 12.91fps Max: 18.36 fps
<b>CAT 4.3:</b> Min: 13.78fps Max: 20.08 fps
<b>OMG 4.3:</b> Min: 14.09fps Max: 20.24 fps
<b>CAT 4.4:</b> Min: 13.95fps Max: 20.03 fps
<b>OMG 4.4:</b> Min: 13.67fps Max: 20.04 fps
<b>CAT 4.5:</b> Min: 13.24fps Max: 19.97 fps
<b>CAT 4.6:</b> Min: 14.68fps Max: 24.98 fps
<b>CAT 4.7:</b> Min: 16.57fps Max: 26.95 fps
<b>CAT 4.8:</b> Min: 18.88fps Max: 28.08 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC:</b> (<b>First WNR @ FullScreen</b>)
Cat 4.9+CCC (second attempt after reboot after all other benchies completed): Min: 18.02fps Max: 27.54 fps
<b>CAT 4.9+CP:</b> Min: 12.59fps Max: 28.18 fps
<b>OMG 4.9:</b> Min: 16.79fps Max: 29.03 fps

<A HREF="http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=359" target="_new"><font color=purple><b>CodeCreaturesPro</b> by CodeCult</font color=purple></A>:


<b>CAT 3.9-4.5</b>: Score: 1866 1600x1200: 14.5 1280x1024: 18.7 1024x768: 24.0

Same Damn Results! (definitely gotta go for next benchmark)

<b>Replacing</b> CodeCreatures with...


<b><font color=purple>SPEC VIEPERF 7.1:</font color=purple></b>

<b>CAT 4.5</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.490 DRV-09: 18.88 DX-08: 43.18 Light-06: 8.791 PROE-02: 6.820 UGS-03: 14.54
<b>CAT 4.6</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.642 DRV-09: 19.45 DX-08: 43.77 Light-06: 8.887 PROE-02: 7.164 UGS-03: 14.84
<b>CAT 4.7</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.659 DRV-09: 22.13 DX-08: 43.77 Light-06: 8.925 PROE-02: 7.537 UGS-03: 14.50
<b>CAT 4.8</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.608 DRV-09: 22.11 DX-08: 43.43 Light-06: 8.745 PROE-02: 7.341 UGS-03: 14.75
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.577 DRV-09: 22.22 DX-08: 43.18 Light-06: 8.548 PROE-02: 7.289 UGS-03: 14.96
<b>CAT 4.9+CP</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.659 DRV-09: 22.61 DX-08: 43.81 Light-06: 8.673 PROE-02: 7.454 UGS-03: 15.17
<b>OMG 4.9</b>;
3DSMax-02: 7.634 DRV-09: 22.03 DX-08: 43.64 Light-06: 8.813 PROE-02: 7.469 UGS-03: 14.71

- + -

<i>OpenGl Benchies</i>:

<A HREF="http://software.hwupgrade.it/software_dl2.php?id=1694&u...)" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>GLExcess</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>CAT 3.9</b> XSMarks: 6892
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7175 Polygon Count: 9612 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5575
<b>CAT 3.10</b> XSMarks: 6881
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7182 Polygon Count: 9536 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>CAT 4.1</b> XSMarks: 6853
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9480 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5585
<b>CAT 4.2</b> XSMarks: 6887
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7182 Polygon Count: 9560 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>CAT 4.3</b> XSMarks: 6871
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9560 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5580
<b>OMG 4.3</b> XSMarks: 6886
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7175 Polygon Count: 9560 VRAM: 2425 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>CAT 4.4</b> XSMarks: 5844
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 4686 Polygon Count: 7896 VRAM: 2380 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>OMG 4.4</b> XSMarks: 6846
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9524 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5545
<b>CAT 4.5</b> XSMarks: 6977
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7332 Polygon Count: 9824 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5565
<b>CAT 4.6</b> XSMarks: 6915
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7175 Polygon Count: 9748 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5545
<b>CAT 4.7</b> XSMarks: 6885
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9632 VRAM: 2412 CPU/FPU: 5575
<b>CAT 4.8</b> XSMarks: 6907
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 259
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 129 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 132 Avg: 374 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7182 Polygon Count: 9656 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC</b> XSMarks: 6883
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 260
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 127 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 131 Avg: 373 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 32 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7189 Polygon Count: 9620 VRAM: 2421 CPU/FPU: 5535
<b>CAT 4.9+CP</b> XSMarks: 6950
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 252
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 129 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 141 Avg: 374 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9872 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5590
<b>OMG 4.9</b> XSMarks: 6883
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 228 Max: 259
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 130 Max: 167 (<font color=red>* artifacting</font color=red> [flashing hallo around test])
Scene 3- Min: 140 Avg: 375 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7201 Polygon Count: 9860 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5600

(In the Future I will only add XSMArks + FillRate, Poly, VRAM & CPU/FPU results for space reasons)</font color=red>
<b>Done Starting NOW</b>, I will only leave the last posted benchies with all the #s as a reference point from update to update.


<A HREF="http://www.dronez.com/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>DroneZmark</font color=purple></b></A>;

<b>Cat 3.9</b>
Frames - Min: 88.00 Max: 425.15 Avg: 148.93
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.61 Max: 2096.83 Avg: 1035.51
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.65 Max: 1150.38 Avg: 558.09
<b>Cat 3.10</b>
Frames - Min: 88.29 Max: 424.58 Avg: 146.97
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.59 Max: 2105.77 Avg: 1032.83
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.63 Max: 1175.74 Avg: 557.52
<b>Cat 4.1</b>
Frames - Min: 88.38 Max: 427.15 Avg: 149.14
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.68 Max: 2112.54 Avg: 1033.08
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.71 Max: 1149.28 Avg: 557.90
<b>Cat 4.2</b>
Frames - Min: 89.29 Max: 419.00 Avg: 146.83
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.42 Max: 2091.05 Avg: 1032.64
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.47 Max: 1149.83 Avg: 557.46
<b>Cat 4.3</b>
Frames - Min: 89.37 Max: 427.00 Avg: 148.24
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.59 Max: 2104.90 Avg: 1017.37
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.71 Max: 1150.67 Avg: 549.37
<b>OmG 4.3</b>
Frames - Min: 90.00 Max: 416.17 Avg: 147.37
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.34 Max: 2080.28 Avg: 1017.62
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.38 Max: 1152.07 Avg: 549.63
<b>Cat 4.4</b>
Frames - Min: 88.82 Max: 417.17 Avg: 149.56
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.37 Max: 2162.09 Avg: 1033.12
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.41 Max: 1151.93 Avg: 558.02
<b>OMG 4.4</b>
Frames - Min: 89.64 Max: 404.00 Avg: 146.82
T&L KTriangles - Min: 10.98 Max: 2106.41 Avg: 1032.42
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.04 Max: 1148.92 Avg: 557.33
<b>Cat 4.5</b>
Frames - Min: 89.64 Max: 422.00 Avg: 147.48
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.51 Max: 2095.82 Avg: 1017.57
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.56 Max: 1147.17 Avg: 549.56
<b>Cat 4.6</b>
Frames - Min: 87.00 Max: 463.00 Avg: 147.59
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.86 Max: 2156.24 Avg: 1034.07
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.93 Max: 1152.19 Avg: 558.01
<b>Cat 4.7</b>
Frames - Min: 90.91 Max: 461.54 Avg: 150.39
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.82 Max: 2275.98 Avg: 1032.86
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.88 Max: 1210.24 Avg: 557.75
<b>Cat 4.8</b>
Frames - Min: 89.73 Max: 462.54 Avg: 147.05
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.85 Max: 2161.58 Avg: 1032.88
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.91 Max: 1146.16 Avg: 557.51
<b>Cat 4.9+CCC</b>
Frames - Min: 89.37 Max: 428.00 Avg: 146.47
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.70 Max: 2100.36 Avg: 1017.38
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.74 Max: 1142.55 Avg: 549.37
<b>Cat 4.9+CP</b>
Frames - Min: 89.00 Max: 439.00 Avg: 147.40
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.06 Max: 2191.21 Avg: 1033.79
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.12 Max: 1153.81 Avg: 557.92
<b>OMG 4.9</b>
Frames - Min: 89.73 Max: 461.08 Avg: 150.47
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.80 Max: 2262.99 Avg: 1049.38
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.86 Max: 1215.59 Avg: 566.51


<b>Doom 3</b></font color=purple> Benchmarked using the built in benchmarking tool. Performance Tweaks OFF.
To activate press <i>CTRL+ALT+~</i> to open commmand line, enter "<i>timedemo demo1 1</i>" to run demo with precache.

<b>CAT 4.8</b>: Time to complete: 90.7 FPS: 23.7
<b>CAT 4.9+CCC</b>: Time to complete: 90.7 FPS: 23.7
<b>CAT 4.9+CP</b>: Time to complete: 87.2 FPS: 24.6
<b>OMG 4.9</b>: Time to complete: 87.0 FPS: 24.7


<b>-+-</b>

<b>Some Win2K Benchmarks</b>(These are just for OS comparisons using the CATs):

<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>3Dmark2001SE(Patch 330)</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>Win2K + Cat 3.7</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7564273" target="_new">10190</A>
<b>Win2K + Cat 3.9</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7564346" target="_new">10266</A>
<b>Win2K + Cat 4.1</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7564470" target="_new">10164</A>
<b>Win2K + Cat 4.2</b>:<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7564550" target="_new">10159</A>

<A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com/download/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>3Dmark2003(330)</font color=purple></b></A>
<b>CAT 3.7:</b> total: 3196 ; GT1: 103.9fps GT2: 21.0fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 19.7fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 902.7 mt/s Multi: 1539.4 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.4fps ; Ragtroll: 13.6fps
<b>CAT 3.9:</b> total: 3240 ; GT1: 107.5fps GT2: 21.0fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 19.7fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 902.7 mt/s Multi: 1539.2 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.4fps ; Ragtroll: 13.5fps
<b>CAT 4.1:</b> total: 3227 ; GT1: 107.3fps GT2: 21.0fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 19.7fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 902.7 mt/s Multi: 1539.4 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.4fps ; Ragtroll: 13.7fps
<b>CAT 4.2:</b> total: 3228 ; GT1: 107.0fps GT2: 21.0fps GT3: 19.2fps GT4: 19.8fps ;
Fill Rate Single: 902.8 mt/s Multi: 1539.4 mt/s ; VS: 10.4fps PS2.0: 29.6fps ; Ragtroll: 13.6fps

<A HREF="http://www.aquamark3.com/am3-mirrors.htm" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>Aquamark 3</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>CAT 3.7:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=134945006..." target="_new">Total: 24,124 GFX: 3,366 CPU: 4,259</A>
<b>CAT 3.9:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=155077714..." target="_new">Total: 24,260 GFX: 3,369 CPU: 4,334</A>
<b>CAT 4.1:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=477036293" target="_new">Total: 24,099 GFX: 3,336 CPU: 4,341</A>
<b>CAT 4.2:</b> <A HREF="http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=879689949" target="_new">Total: 24,073 GFX: 3,330 CPU: 4,347</A>

<A HREF="http://software.hwupgrade.it/software_dl2.php?id=1694&u...)" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>GLExcess</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>CAT 3.7</b>
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 233 Max: 259
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 126 Max: 166
Scene 3- Min: 115 Avg: 376 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7299 Polygon Count: 9272 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5555

<b>CAT 3.9</b>
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 260
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 129 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 140 Avg: 370 Max: 501
Scene 4- Min: 32 Avg: 63 Max: 65
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7189 Polygon Count: 9804 VRAM: 2425 CPU/FPU: 5590

<b>CAT 4.1</b>
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 252
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 129 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 115 Avg: 376 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 64
OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9776 VRAM: 2407 CPU/FPU: 5590

<b>CAT 4.2</b>
Scene 1- Min: 165 Avg: 227 Max: 252
Scene 2- Min: 99 Avg: 130 Max: 167
Scene 3- Min: 132 Avg: 366 Max: 500
Scene 4- Min: 31 Avg: 63 Max: 65

OVERALL TESTS - Fill Rate: 7136 Polygon Count: 9560 VRAM: 2412 CPU/FPU: 5600

<A HREF="http://www.dronez.com/" target="_new"><b><font color=purple>DroneZmark</font color=purple></b></A>;
<b>Cat 3.7</b>
Frames - Min: 87.48 Max: 426.00 Avg: 148.08
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.64 Max: 2102.80 Avg: 1034.68
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.68 Max: 1161.16 Avg: 558.19

<b>Cat 3.9</b>
Frames - Min: 90.64 Max: 443.00 Avg: 150.10
T&L KTriangles - Min: 12.19 Max: 2231.60 Avg: 1049.67
OGL KTriangles - Min: 16.25 Max: 1175.20 Avg: 566.30

<b>Cat 4.1</b>
Frames - Min: 90.46 Max: 435.13 Avg: 149.97
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.94 Max: 2133.78 Avg: 1032.04
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.98 Max: 1143.37 Avg: 557.31

<b>Cat 4.2</b>
Frames - Min: 90.37 Max: 430.57 Avg: 150.04
T&L KTriangles - Min: 11.79 Max: 2085.01 Avg: 1033.00
OGL KTriangles - Min: 15.83 Max: 1148.01 Avg: 557.87


************* End of Benchies ****************

<b>Some other good Info Links:</b>

<A HREF="http://www.amd-insight.de/main.php?cat=grafik&test=cata..." target="_new">AMD-Insight does an extensive Comparison of 3.0-4.3</A>
<A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/catalyst_4.2/" target="_new">FiringSquad's Cat4.2 Review</A>
<A HREF="http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/catalyst_4.3/" target="_new">FiringSquad's Cat4.3 Review</A>
<A HREF="http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=104" target="_new">MadShrimps Reviews an R9600P with CAT 3.4to3.9 with various Resolutions</A>
<A HREF="http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/video_graph/ati/radeon..." target="_new">ViperLair Review Catlyst + Rage3D + Omegas</A>
<A HREF="http://www.amd-insight.de/main.php?cat=grafik&test=cata..." target="_new">AMD Insight Looks at Catalyst 3.0 - 4.6 in a bunch of Benchies</A>
<A HREF="http://www.legionhardware.com/html/doc.php?id=312" target="_new">LegionHardware Looks at the Catalyst 4.5/4.6/Beta4.7</A>
<A HREF="http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?..." target="_new">Dark][Tweaker loks at Cat 4.5/4.6/4.7Beta w/ X800</A>


<b>**EDITS**</b>

<b>Feb 16 '04</b> Fresh Start: Some Win 2K benchies to get an idea of OS differences. Add 2 OpenGL benchies (DroneZ and GLExcess) since Vulpine crapped out with the latest drivers.

<b>Feb 29 '04</b> New XP Benchies (Oscar Night, BillyCrystal his usual Best, Lord of the BlingBling rulz them all): Added CodeCreatures to the DirectX benchies, also continued with the new OpenGL benchies. Benchies still low compared to OLD BIOS (F5) and before latest MS patches, but this is the way I will run it day to day so that's the way it will be for the comparison, as long as it stays relatively consistent.

<b>Mar 11 '04</b> Well the new CAT 4.3 drivers live up to their claim in PS 2.0 in 3Dmk03, and if you look at the heavy PS2.0 Rthdribl it also had a significant boost. Elsewhere some boosts some drops. A drop in 3Dmk01 and Aquamark3 (ATI says the increase is in higher resolutions [which aren't part of the FREE demo). More this weekend hopefully.

<b>Mar 14 '04</b>: Added the Catalyst 4.1 and 4.2 driver results to the list. I was hoping the OMEGAs would be ready by now, but unfortunately not. Does look like the PS2.0 performance increase is real in Cat 4.3. Now off to watch the Sopranos.

<b>Mar 22 '04</b>: Added Omega 2.5.30 (based on Catalyst 4.3). We see once again that the Omegas greatly improve the results in the GunMetal benchmark (still don't know why), and that the Catalyst 4.3 based drivers increase the PS2.0 performance in 3Dmk03 and Rthdribl.

<b>April 08, 2004</b>; The OGL marks dropped a bit in both tests. PS 2.0 stays pretty high in the advance shader tests.
A combination of performance improvements and decreases. IQ and wuality/sability seem to have stabilized with good set.

<b>April 18, 2004</b> (Leafs lose a close one to the Senators in overtime 2-1): Added the latest Omega drivers (second generation 2.5.36b), see the typical increase in GunMetal, but nothing spectacular anywhere else. Definitely will be replacing/omitting the CodeCreature benchmark in the future.

<b>June 20 '04</b> (Fathers' Day): Added the Catalyst 4.5 results, going to add the Catalyst 4.6 tomorrow, and hopefully the Beta 4.7 if time permits. I replaced Codecreatures, which gave me the exact same results as always, with SpecViewPerf 7.1, I may add UT2K4 too, I'll have to check the benchmarking while at work.

<b>July 12 '04</b> (Paul Tracy penalizes himself out of the Molson Indy): Added the Catalyst 4.6 and 4.7 results. Nice boosts in Rthdribl, which I can't explain. All in all the typical, some increases here some drops there, nothing major except for rthdribl. I kept and eye on the 4.6 and 4.7 runs of 3Dmk03, and while there was sone slightly more sparkly artifacting rock walls, my Troll Lair didn't have the major artifacts others have had The warrior girl head look like it had a receeding hairline for a second but that may have been shadowing didn't check that enough in first round with 4.6s. SpecviewPerf sees some minor boosts/change so I will keep that as the replacement for CodeCreatures. After trying a few I still couldn't find a good UT2K4 benchie (one keeps asking for CD Key and the disk is already in the drive!). I will look some more and add benchies individually if I find a good one.

<b>Sept 12 '04</b> (Denver Broncos pound KC, and Quentin Griffin makes people say 'Portis Who?'): Updated the benchmarks with the official 4.8 and 4.9 Catalyst drivers. Some nice boosts in 4.8, but 4.9 seems to drop down a bit. I have a feeling this is largely due to the .NET infested new CatalystControlCenter which I think I will remove and try the version without the CCC and see if there's a difference if I can get the time. Hate F'in .Net too, why ATI, why MS .net crap?!?
Added SP2 to XP in between the beta 4.8/4.9 and now.
Also added official runs with the Doom3's benchmarking tool, nice having anothe OGL benchmark, but unfortunately the results, like the beta don't show much difference.
Also watching PBS' Video game documentary while writing this update.

<b>Oct. 03 '04</b> [Broncos squeek past Tampa], Added the Catalyst 4.9 drivers with original Control Panel, without '.NET' as well as the Omega 2.5.90 drivers (based on 4.9). Also added 3Dmk05 results. The Omega 4.9s has some interesting problems; halfway through test one of GunMetal they locked up with looping audio, 3 attempts failed. While running GLExcess in test 2 there was a strange white square halo around the benchmarking area about 1 inch thick that was flashing the entire time, other tests were fine. In the end it seems that without the bulk of .NET and CCC the 4.9 drivers with just the contorl panel were fastest, as one might expect.

<b>--</b>

And that is the story thus far.

<b>More updates to come</b>.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 01/18/05 09:32 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 10, 2003 9:35:49 PM

Wow what a read. Do you get back to Football? Looks like you didn't have time.
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November 10, 2003 10:19:38 PM

I focused my attention on football mainly.
All of this was done during commercial breaks, see there is a use for them. And just think I was also skippng a few chances 'cause I had the P-I-P going with the TOR-MTL (CFL) and SD-MIN (NFL) game on at the same time so I was still stuck to the game.

Thankfully I also have remmemberance day off work too.

I was going to go skiing, yes the hills (well Hill - Lake Louise) are open. But I've gotta go visit a few people in town.

I may add the OMEGA driver (just released) results tomorrow night.

I was also thinking of adding another OpenGL test, but that would require going through each driver again. I'll see what time I have, maybe next weekend during Hockey night in Canada (commercial breaks are shorter for hockey though).


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November 10, 2003 11:14:58 PM

You are a shining example to modern man!

Watching the footy, drinking beer and benchmarking for the greater community.

Is there nothing you cannot do?

<b>I help because I'm so damned good!
:smile:
Regards,
Mr no integrity coward.</b>
November 11, 2003 12:40:24 AM

He is my bestest buddy....and I'm drunk tonight.

<b>I help because you suck</b>
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November 11, 2003 3:20:57 AM

Ya' man!

Just waiting for you to get an FX5700 to do a companion test. :wink:

Drinking a Kokanee (BC beer) right now. Just going to install the Omegas for tomorrow's INSTALL-ment of the benchies, which I'll add to the original post.


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November 11, 2003 4:38:48 AM

i just need to know if it blows up hardwares. Because 3.8 did make my card run a heck lot hotter.

-Intel PIV 2.6C @ 3.575G -Asus P4P800 -OCZ Copper 2x256 4000EL memory @ 275mhz 3-4-4-8 -Sapphire 9800np @ 432/760 -SB audigy -120G Maxtor Diamond Plus9 S-ATA150 hdd -450 Enermax PSU
November 11, 2003 7:47:03 AM

BTW ape, I updated to the 3.9s and no fastwrite issues for me still, FYI.
Like I said it would be worth investigating if its a VIA issue or something like that.

The 3.9s work fine for me so far (ran 3dmark03, no change).

Maybe I just had a bad load of the 3.8s.. but then again maybe not hence the fast 3.9 release.

ATI is starting to make me feel pretty good, I was a 3dfx fanboy and when they went under I wanted to go ATI for obvious reasons, and they generally have better IQ/features. But the performance gap was substantial at the time. So I bought their TV wonder just to see if they had improved since the last time I'd owned ATI... was certainly let down!
ATI has certainly came a long way since even then.

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November 11, 2003 9:45:36 AM

For those of you wanting to know how the new cat9 drivers do on a higher end setup, I used the omega 3.9 drivers to see how different they are. Heres my results.

2500XP @ 2.4ghz + 9700pro @ 371/337

3dmark 2001se
omega 3.4 17,940
omega 3.7 18,170
omega 3.9 18,210

3dmark 03
omega 3.4 5,606
omega 3.7 5,622
omega 3.9 5,625

I decided to go back to the omega 3.7's because for some reason my 9700pro artifacts at 378 using the 3.9's instead of 387 on the 3.7's.....

My system spec: Fast PC<A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7000747" target="_new"> 3D-2001 </A>
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November 11, 2003 3:22:29 PM

Looks like it's an active sticky! People can post and it's still on top all the time!

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November 11, 2003 4:10:02 PM

I remember when I used to do this with every revision of leaked nvidia drivers for my GF 256 DDR. I must have been the first person on the net to post numbers for the 3.68 detonators giving such a huge performance increase. Everyone on here went out and got them right away, then reviewers started doing articles. :) 

Then it got boring.

Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.
November 11, 2003 6:29:54 PM

What are your plans during football this Sunday?
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November 11, 2003 11:54:54 PM

Don't know yet. Maybe add OC'd figures or Other resolutions (can't change resolution for 3Dmk03 and A3 though).

Might even go skiing instead of watching football, which means no computer.

Actually it's the Grey Cup, so I will likely be watching that, but it may not be here at home. We shall see.


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November 12, 2003 12:04:44 AM

Yeah, I don't know what's going on with fast writes. I did first encounter the problem on my older 4-in-1 drivers. And before running these benchmarks I downloaded the latest one (listed). Since it doesn't have a problem with CAT 3.4, and I don't think 3.5 (which I will likely add this weekend or some other time), then I think it's some kind of driver conflict (whether it's ATI or VIA I don't know).
The difference for the CAT 3.4 drivers with fastwrites on vs off in 3Dmk03 was 3293 (off) vs 3328 (on) which is a small diff., but no insignificant. I didn't check the others on/off, since it only gave me troubles with the later catalyst drivers in that ONE benchmark (which cause me to run the whole 3.9 test over [waste of about 1 hr]).

I'm glad the 3.9s are working better for your (did you move to the EAX 4.0 as well?). Your issues (and some other) got me to thinking about doing this, since you guys were backtracking to earlier versions of the driver. So I thought, what's the difference?

Well I think we'll know a little more with the addition of the 3.5(s) (and maybe the 3.2(s)) soon. Also with the addition of some overclocking figures at some time.



<b>The segment below is Just for Kinney and will be edited out in a day or two. IT was part of a fun choose your own adventure I made.</b> :evil: 

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">Kinney Clicky, Getting Very HOT, Click here for the originaly post, although this should help you know it's likely FastWrites</A> Seriously, Try it with it disabled. I'm telling you, you thought it was the VIA mobo, but I bet you your problems are the same issue. Look the same to me with the Black Screen and all. <b>ONLY</b> happened during the Runs/games with FastWrites enabled. BTW, you don't have to click that clicky, it's just the original post that started all my problems with F-W on. I have a feeling that FW works under 'most' situations, but not with the new drivers so well. With FW disdabled I have had no problems whatsoever, even with the COD Demo with all the different Shader effects running (tried very hard to cause crashes and such. LOVED the Sketch effect, very cool for this game.

Of course that's just my two frames worth as usual. Time for Sleep of the evening's 'fuel'! :cool:


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November 12, 2003 12:55:03 AM

I dont want to sound like a zealot but i'd be interested to see if you moved to an nforce2 if your FW problems went away.

I did move to the new EAX4 drivers also for my audigy.
The 3.8s mustve been downright buggy for some people, ATI found this later and quickly put out the 3.9s to fix the problems.
I was leery to move to them though because of the problems encountered with those.

I see nothing but improvements with the 3.9s, I think games are smoother and I have no bugs just like 3.7s.

I think we all are interested in seeing additions to your testing, esp those of us who didnt come around to ATI until circa a late release like the 3.7.

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November 12, 2003 7:34:13 PM

Quote:
if you moved to an nforce2 if your FW problems went away

Could be but my next move is to a Socket 939 mobo. And the nForce3s are not doing so well against the VIAs in the AMD 64 architecture. I will have to wait and see what the 939 versions offer, although right now the Gigabyte VIA K8T800 would be my choice if I were wiling to go with socket 940.

Yeah I'm going to add a few more. I was worried when the new 3Dmk03 came out that I'd have to re-bench. But since ATI experienced only a diff. within statistical error, I think I can stick with Patch 330 for a short time (although since I only use it to check driver changes and Overclock stability I may just stay wiith what's been my standard so far. I don't even really publish my results much anymore (other than just here for STOCK performances).

Come Feb. Expect me to have a whole new set though, so for now the 'fast writes' issue is a small problem, and as Halo (@ 1024x768) and Morrowind (1280x1024 [16x12 the menu is too small]) play flawlessly right now for me, I'm happy with my current rig (looking for a new laptop though).

Upgrades will come with new and tasty technology. I am looking to maybe replace the CPUs on my Dual Athlon video rig (maybe move to 2600 from 1800), but even that may be not a worthwhile move.


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November 12, 2003 8:08:46 PM

Hey I have a question for you since you seem to know a bit about the Cats. I'm building a computer for my friend next week, and I'm yanking my 9500P outta my system and selling it to him (it's practically brand-new). Anyway, I am looking at ATi's website and I'm trying to decide whether I want Catalyst 3.9 or if I want a fairly recent version that is known to be really stable. Anyone have any suggestions?
November 15, 2003 8:20:23 PM

He used the words 'Catalyst' and 'stable' in the same sentence :lol: 

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November 15, 2003 10:26:38 PM

Catalyst stable <---- oxymoron
Microsoft Works <---- oxymoron
nVidia OWNS <---- oxymoron



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bring it fanATics~~ nVidia PWNS all!
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November 15, 2003 11:18:30 PM

The Captain likes your style!

<b><font color=red>Captain Obvious To The Rescue!!!</font color=red></b>
November 16, 2003 2:17:34 AM

The Captian saves another one.
November 16, 2003 2:52:58 AM

Speaking of Halo Grape, are you running full dx9? Even on my sys. with full DX9 @1024x768, and 8x/16x Qual. aniso it can slow down at times. I've heard u can disable the DX9 junk, which only affects the water and the sniper zoom and some useless junk like that. How would I go about doing that, and what kind of boost should I expect? And how can I get AA working, if possible? I currently only have the demo but soon I'll have the full version.

Me: are you saying I can't provide?
Me: cause I know I can provide.
Me: oh and I can provide money too;)
Rachel:) : why do we need money when we can just stay in our room and have sex all day?
November 16, 2003 5:15:31 PM

At the end of "Halo.exe", add "-use20" or "-use14" or "-use11"
So if you wanted Halo to use pixel shader 1.4 instead of 2.0, you would do "Halo.exe-use14" to use pixel shader 1.4
Hope that helps.

<b>I help because you suck</b>
November 16, 2003 6:03:58 PM

I use the 3.9s and they are stable for me on my 9800p. I havent had a single issue, but I did have probs with the 3.8s.. they are history now anyway.

edit- for your reference i have most of the newest games.. call of duty, halo, simpsons hit and run... ive played thru all of COD and most of halo, no problems on my nforce system.

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<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by kinney on 11/16/03 02:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
November 17, 2003 12:47:30 AM

How do you find Hit n Run?

I have it on GC. Was surprised to see a PC port. Damn it was awesome to me, definitely Simpson-worthy!

Too bad some of their voices sometimes reminded me of the sad turn the new seasons have become.

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November 17, 2003 12:57:04 AM

We need update what you did. During halftime.
November 17, 2003 1:44:07 AM

Hit and Run is awesome.

Oh i know seems alot of simpsons episodes are weak last couple seasons. I hope they get better simpsons has a chance to have a permanent place in popculture like mickey mouse/bugs bunny all those types of things.

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November 17, 2003 4:16:44 AM

The Cat 3.9 drivers are easy to install, and very stable. There is a problem with Call of Duty, but in most other situations it should be a good choice. The Omega and DNA drivers are really only for people comfortable with them (they give you a few windows compatibility errors during install and are harder to add/remove).

Don't listen to the nay-sayers, the Catalysts are just as stable as the Detonator/Forware drivers.


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November 17, 2003 4:22:17 AM

WS, run Full DX9 at 1024x768.

<A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/ttg/ttgdocument.php?dType=guid..." target="_new">Here's</A> a link to an article with alot of the tweak GW is talking about;

<A HREF="http://www.tweaktown.com/ttg/ttgdocument.php?dType=guid..." target="_new">http://www.tweaktown.com/ttg/ttgdocument.php?dType=guid...;/A>

I'm currently also only running the demo (use the name KnightShade, in case you happen to see me).

I haven't tweaked it much because at default it works well enough for me to get my kicks from it. If I do buy it, I will likely do it after the school term, since right now it would be too distracting having more maps, more weapons and better players to play aginst. I'd also feel ike I HAVE to play it to justify the $60 expense. :wink:


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November 17, 2003 4:25:24 AM

HB, there's your update. Too busy at halftime to post, MMmmm Rickard's Red! :eek: 

Eskies Won WooHoo!

No more updates until new drivers are released.

Edit: Although I did just re-edit the title to make it 'sundays'.


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November 17, 2003 2:09:15 PM

The Eskies won the Gray Cup?
November 17, 2003 11:39:32 PM

Sorry on spelling. You big fan of their's?
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November 18, 2003 1:36:30 AM

Yeah, always have been saw them play in '82 @ Exhibition Stadium in Toronto when Warren Moon lead them to their 5th Grey Cup (it was a rainy cold day) we were 5 rows up on the 45 yardline.

My Uncle used to play for them in the late 60s early 70s.

I have always been a fan, which gives me some grief here in Calgary, but nowhere near the grief I got as a Bruins fan (other uncle played for them) in Montreal @ the Forum and the newer KEG while I was at Univ. there.

We're kinda getting off topic though. :eek: 

Anywhoo, PM me if you wanna know more.


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