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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
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> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were
> here watching again racism behavior on EPL.
Early candidate for worst thread of 2005.
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Em 3 Jan 2005 17:28:11 GMT, PivotalG <pivotalgubbins@nospam.sent.com>
escreveu:
> "The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
> newspsj00eit8xjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
>
>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were
>> here watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>
> Early candidate for worst thread of 2005.
>
why worst? do you support racists?
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:07:20 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
<eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>Em Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:06:03 +0100, Mr. Pink <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no>
>escreveu:
>
>> The Brazilian Man wrote:
>>
>>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were here
>>> watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>>> As from today I will keep this tread alive and list my personal
>>> banned list of racist players.
>>> My unique possible response will be to keep these persons listed here
>>> and bann the players listed out of my FM gaming:
>>> 1)Aragones (staff)
>>> 2)Ray Parlour (Diof incident)
>>> 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>>> hope the list won't grow.
>>> brgds
>>>
>>
>> Riise???? Riise is not a racist. He`s best friend is John Carew ("black"
>> i might add). They also ended up in a fight, BUT, Riise has a very bad
>> temper and wether they`re white, black, yellow etc doesn`t matter. Riise
>> is Riise. He`s NEVER made one comment about color, but he`s english is
>> NOT good and some of the interviews (or the interviewers) do ask him
>> questions he gives "weird" answeres to, but mainly because he doesn`t
>> understand the question.
>>
>> Riise is also a member of the anti-rasistic organisation "MOT" in norway.
>>
>> Pink
>
>so why he made that gesture to Glen?
maybe he farted, or did indeed smell of BO.
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:10 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
<eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>Em Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:26:25 +0000 (UTC), Daniel Marsh
><danmaruk@NOSPAMbtopenworld.com> escreveu:
>
>> The Brazilian Man wrote:
>>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were here
>>> watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>>>
>>> As from today I will keep this tread alive and list my personal banned
>>> list of racist players.
>>> My unique possible response will be to keep these persons listed here
>>> and bann the players listed out of my FM gaming:
>>>
>>> 1)Aragones (staff)
>>> 2)Ray Parlour (Diof incident)
>>
>> Please explain....
>>
>>> 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>>>
>>> hope the list won't grow.
>>>
>>> brgds
>>
>
>read previous e-mail
>
>he had showed his skin to point a difference to Diouf
when?
honestly have to admit to not seeing this at all, nor hearing anything
about it in the press.......and we all know how quick the uk press are
to jump on stuff like this. maybe you misinterpreted his gesture?
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:42:23 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
<eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>Em Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:40:13 GMT, Chris F <chris@asif.com> escreveu:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:32:10 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
>> <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> Em Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:26:25 +0000 (UTC), Daniel Marsh
>>> <danmaruk@NOSPAMbtopenworld.com> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> The Brazilian Man wrote:
>>>>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were here
>>>>> watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>>>>>
>>>>> As from today I will keep this tread alive and list my personal banned
>>>>> list of racist players.
>>>>> My unique possible response will be to keep these persons listed here
>>>>> and bann the players listed out of my FM gaming:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1)Aragones (staff)
>>>>> 2)Ray Parlour (Diof incident)
>>>>
>>>> Please explain....
>>>>
>>>>> 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>>>>>
>>>>> hope the list won't grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> brgds
>>>>
>>>
>>> read previous e-mail
>>>
>>> he had showed his skin to point a difference to Diouf
>>
>> when?
>>
>> honestly have to admit to not seeing this at all, nor hearing anything
>> about it in the press.......and we all know how quick the uk press are
>> to jump on stuff like this. maybe you misinterpreted his gesture?
>>
>>
>
>both incidents were highlighted by brazilian TV as proof of European
>misconduct and racism on football.
neither have been picked up on by the uk media, and like i say, there
isnt a more over-reactionary or overzealous media group in the world!
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SWAT, MotoGP2, Burnout3, OutRun2(Demo), FSW
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:41:29 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
<eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>Em Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:38:30 GMT, Chris F <chris@asif.com> escreveu:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:07:20 -0200, "The Brazilian Man"
>> <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>> Em Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:06:03 +0100, Mr. Pink
>>> <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> The Brazilian Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were here
>>>>> watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>>>>> As from today I will keep this tread alive and list my personal
>>>>> banned list of racist players.
>>>>> My unique possible response will be to keep these persons listed here
>>>>> and bann the players listed out of my FM gaming:
>>>>> 1)Aragones (staff)
>>>>> 2)Ray Parlour (Diof incident)
>>>>> 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>>>>> hope the list won't grow.
>>>>> brgds
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Riise???? Riise is not a racist. He`s best friend is John Carew
>>>> ("black"
>>>> i might add). They also ended up in a fight, BUT, Riise has a very bad
>>>> temper and wether they`re white, black, yellow etc doesn`t matter.
>>>> Riise
>>>> is Riise. He`s NEVER made one comment about color, but he`s english is
>>>> NOT good and some of the interviews (or the interviewers) do ask him
>>>> questions he gives "weird" answeres to, but mainly because he doesn`t
>>>> understand the question.
>>>>
>>>> Riise is also a member of the anti-rasistic organisation "MOT" in
>>>> norway.
>>>>
>>>> Pink
>>>
>>> so why he made that gesture to Glen?
>>
>> maybe he farted, or did indeed smell of BO.
>
>I live in a country where more than 50% are african-brazilians, we can
>have differences, but we can't take it as we're better, just because we're
>not.
yeah, but maybe he stunk.
some people do smell pretty bad when they sweat you know, doesnt mean
he was being racist....... (like i say, not seen either incident so
dont really know whats happened)
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SWAT, MotoGP2, Burnout3, OutRun2(Demo), FSW
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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
newspsj1jbvqcxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
> using a FM model, pls issue a pool if I shall leave AGCM.
>
> voting & democracy is the best way to show where I should rest.
As I said, it is my opinion. I am not saying for a minute that you
should leave AGCM. Your posts on FM itself are very informative and
interesting to read. However, some on your opinions on wider issues
are often very strange and lack any suppprting evidence.
Maybe I was a little too harsh in my previous post and for that I
apologise. However, accusing these players of racism is frankly
stupid, regardless of what you have seen on TV.
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Em 3 Jan 2005 19:17:30 GMT, PivotalG <pivotalgubbins@nospam.sent.com>
escreveu:
> "The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
> newspsj1jbvqcxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
>
>> using a FM model, pls issue a pool if I shall leave AGCM.
>>
>> voting & democracy is the best way to show where I should rest.
>
> As I said, it is my opinion. I am not saying for a minute that you
> should leave AGCM. Your posts on FM itself are very informative and
> interesting to read. However, some on your opinions on wider issues
> are often very strange and lack any suppprting evidence.
>
> Maybe I was a little too harsh in my previous post and for that I
> apologise. However, accusing these players of racism is frankly
> stupid, regardless of what you have seen on TV.
>
With relief I see that you recognize the harshness, and won't take it, so
let's go ahead.
About being strange, well i'm human and fail very much, so no offence
either.
Leaving AGCM, would not unless banned. :-)
Will quit the tread (racism) on goodwill, but honestly tell you that it
was our view of both incidents, in which hopefully you (and Pink) are
right and I withdraw.
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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
newspsj1j7cmfxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
> Will quit the tread (racism) on goodwill, but honestly tell you
> that it was our view of both incidents, in which hopefully you
> (and Pink) are right and I withdraw.
Fair enough, and I'm glad that you are not considering quitting AGCM.
Can I just suggest that you read your media, both newspaper and TV,
but take caution with everything they say? If the media in Brazil is
anything like it is here, they will often say this to cause hype, and
these stories will be based on unfounded rumours or hear'say.
Take care,
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Em 3 Jan 2005 19:36:16 GMT, PivotalG <pivotalgubbins@nospam.sent.com>
escreveu:
> "The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
> newspsj1j7cmfxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
>
>> Will quit the tread (racism) on goodwill, but honestly tell you
>> that it was our view of both incidents, in which hopefully you
>> (and Pink) are right and I withdraw.
>
> Fair enough, and I'm glad that you are not considering quitting AGCM.
> Can I just suggest that you read your media, both newspaper and TV,
> but take caution with everything they say? If the media in Brazil is
> anything like it is here, they will often say this to cause hype, and
> these stories will be based on unfounded rumours or hear'say.
>
> Take care,
advice taken, but the source was not our tabloids, but open TV, that is
well recognized.
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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in
newspsj1kvag8xjeech@eduardo.mshome.net:
> advice taken, but the source was not our tabloids, but open TV,
> that is well recognized.
Trust me, the media is the media. Tabloids are usually worse, but the
TV can be just as bad at times.
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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message
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Em Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:06:03 +0100, Mr. Pink <thedeadstaysdead@forever.no>
escreveu:
> The Brazilian Man wrote:
>
>> Well guys, I'm starting this tread to show you how sad we were here
>> watching again racism behavior on EPL.
>> As from today I will keep this tread alive and list my personal banned
>> list of racist players.
>> My unique possible response will be to keep these persons listed here
>> and bann the players listed out of my FM gaming:
>> 1)Aragones (staff)
>> 2)Ray Parlour (Diof incident)
>> 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>> hope the list won't grow.
>> brgds
>>
>
> Riise???? Riise is not a racist. He`s best friend is John Carew ("black"
> i might add). They also ended up in a fight, BUT, Riise has a very bad
> temper and wether they`re white, black, yellow etc doesn`t matter. Riise
> is Riise. He`s NEVER made one comment about color, but he`s english is
> NOT good and some of the interviews (or the interviewers) do ask him
> questions he gives "weird" answeres to, but mainly because he doesn`t
> understand the question.
>
> Riise is also a member of the anti-rasistic organisation "MOT" in norway.
>
> Pink
so why he made that gesture to Glen?
just because a man makes a jesture to another man assuming he smells it
doesn't need to be racial
if a white man told a black man to "f off" then it would not be racism
unless the white man intentionally meant it to be racist
if a white man insults a black man in any way at all it is not always racism
a white man can insult a black man surely just as a white man can insult a
white man in the same way and that a black man a black man and a black man a
white man
to say every obscene jesture made to any black person is racist is infact
even more racist than the person issuing the jesture
black men wish to be treated as equals, that means insulting them as we
would a white man, that means giving the better man the job even if the
better man be a white man, that means that we dont immediately all assume
that everytime a black man suffers an insult or a boo from the croud that it
is racism
i believe people take it too far in todays society
for instance, companies employing certain numbers of ethnic people or black,
indian, african whatever to show they are employing them.. that is racism,
it may not be meant but it is, because the person of ethnic background or
black skinned or indian is getting special treatment, different to that of a
white man, racism will always be amongst us because people interpret it
differently
rise is not a racist just because he makes jesture that a man stinks.. (lol)
ray parlour even pointing at his skin (although i never saw the incident) he
could have been saying while he was pointing at his skin "i am your daddy"
or something not "look my skin is white it is better than your skin because
yours is black" no to conclude that pointing at your skin to a black man is
racist is stupid a futile
as for other incidents then they may be racist and proven to be but rise is
not racist, nor is ray parlour, and to judge them is just pathetic
racism will never die
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"The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message
newspsj2rihrnxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net...
> Em Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:41:38 +1100, Enrico Palazzo
> <zedNOSPAMcee@zipworld.com.au> escreveu:
>
> > <snip>
> >
> > 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
> >
> > Definitively and finally - Riise is NOT racist, he was just letting
> > Johnson
> > know that his tackling stunk.
> >
> > Did you watch the game or just relying on what you saw mentioned on
> > Brazillian television?
> >
>
>
> have watched the full game, but subject is closed
Then I'd say you mis-interpreted it mate.
cheers
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Em Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:24:11 +1100, Enrico Palazzo
<zedNOSPAMcee@zipworld.com.au> escreveu:
> "The Brazilian Man" <eduNOSPAMliguori@yahoo.com.br> wrote in message
> newspsj2rihrnxjeech@eduardo.mshome.net...
>> Em Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:41:38 +1100, Enrico Palazzo
>> <zedNOSPAMcee@zipworld.com.au> escreveu:
>>
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > 3)Riise (Glen Johnson incident)
>> >
>> > Definitively and finally - Riise is NOT racist, he was just letting
>> > Johnson
>> > know that his tackling stunk.
>> >
>> > Did you watch the game or just relying on what you saw mentioned on
>> > Brazillian television?
>> >
>>
>>
>> have watched the full game, but subject is closed
>
> Then I'd say you mis-interpreted it mate.
>
> cheers
>
noted
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