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December 16, 2003 9:06:55 AM

You get a free copy of Call of Duty with the purchase of a Nvidia 5900SE card this holiday season.
Not bad, the best game I've played this year.. and the best part, its not a coupon for a piece of vapor ware!

The 5900SE is the same thing as the new XT 5900, both are only have 2.8ns ram vs 2.2 on the regular 5900NUs.
I still say the 5900NU (any variation) is the best value on the market right now as 9800NPs have dried up incredibly fast.
With this deal going on its certainly the thing to get if your looking for a new graphics card.
They are supposedly priced at under 200 American.

Call of Duty is impressive, I anticipated this one up until its release because I just had a feeling it was going to be great.
It was a good game to take the bad taste Halo had put in my mouth!

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 2:59:12 PM

Are you practicing to be a NVidia salesman? :wink:

Not sure where you heard Radeon 9800 non-pros have dried up - I had no problem getting one.
December 16, 2003 4:04:54 PM

bad taste....halo.....Are you from the alien protection agency?

If you dont like halo you either
1-do not have a good computer
2-dont like playing fps
3-are from the alien protection agency
4-are a grunt
5-or you just simply ... suck

My own beast: Athlon 2700xp+ (oc: 3200xp+ with 200fsb) , Radeon 9800pro (oc: 410/370) , 512mb ddr400. SO MUCH faster than my last computer (pIII 550......)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by coylter on 12/16/03 01:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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December 16, 2003 5:54:10 PM

Maybe that is what ATI will do with the XT models once Half Life 2 officially comes out. Till then, you get the vouchers and pray that you dont get screwed when you can get it.

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December 16, 2003 6:20:38 PM

I'm curious why you'd say the 5900NU cards are the best value. Where I am the 9800 Pro cards are the same price as the 5900NU cards. Only the slower 5900NU cards with slow memory are cheaper but then they probably only perform as good as a 5700 Ultra anyways which is even cheaper. I'd much prefer to get a Nvidia card for compatibility reasons but as far as price/performance ratio the ATI cards are best value.
December 16, 2003 6:55:06 PM

I'm not sure where you're getting your ideas about the 5900SE, since from what I have seen the 5900SE blows away the 5700U and, in most of today's games, the 9600XT.

Right now on Newegg:
5900SE: $196 (was $185 yesterday)
9800np: $265
9600XT: $172
5700U: $189

Aside from the rather unlikely event that suddenly the 9600XT is going to become faster than a 5900SE in most/all of the future games, the 5900SE is a good value at its price point.
December 16, 2003 7:01:50 PM

They are being discontinued.
Do I sound like an NV salesman?? :smile:
I've certainly turned into an NV fan over the years since 3dfx went to bit heaven. Not to be confused with the infamous, fanatical fan 'boi'.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 7:04:37 PM

I like Halo, I just dont like it on PC.
Feels dated, and it is.
I just prefer COD on all accounts (multi/single player/the efficient-ness of the 3d engine) so I have fully retired my copy of Halo.

Wouldve been one of my favorite games had it been released even just a year ago. COD took alot of its shine away for me at least.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 7:08:10 PM

Quote:
I'm curious why you'd say the 5900NU cards are the best value. Where I am the 9800 Pro cards are the same price as the 5900NU cards.


Wherever you live, I would certainly then suggest getting the 9800 Pro, you'd be a fool otherwise.

Quote:
Only the slower 5900NU cards with slow memory are cheaper but then they probably only perform as good as a 5700 Ultra anyways which is even cheaper.

I'm not sure if the 5900s with the slightly slower mem are clocked lower, or they just have less headroom for overclocking..
I like the 5700 also but would take the 5900 over it.. especially if you get the older variation with the faster ram.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 8:28:50 PM

$265 for a 9800 non pro? Mine cost me $208. I've seen 9800 pros starting at around $275.
December 16, 2003 10:45:50 PM

Whats wrong with 2.8ns ram?
My radeon 9800 had 3.2 ns ram... whats wrong with that?

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 10:47:20 PM

My R9800 has 3.0ns ram on it :wink:

<b>I help because you suck.</b>
December 16, 2003 10:52:33 PM

You got a good deal though, I cant find a sub $250 Radeon 9800 NP on pricewatch today (12/16).

The cheapest 9800 Pro was right around $300 even.
If you have links please post them, I'd be interested in seeing where those are available at such good prices!

When those $250 and up NPs are gone (they are already dwindling fast) the 5900NU looks really good for less ($190ish).

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 10:55:34 PM

Quote:
My R9800 has 3.0ns ram on it

You certainly deserved catching a good one after your 9500 problem and the 5700U. Sounds like that one popped easy on ya.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 10:56:52 PM

:lol:  lol...yea.

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December 16, 2003 11:13:52 PM

Call of duty rock but i would prefer hl2 :) 

My own beast: Athlon 2700xp+ (oc: 3200xp+ with 200fsb) , Radeon 9800pro (oc: 410/370) , 512mb ddr400. SO MUCH faster than my last computer (pIII 550......)
December 16, 2003 11:26:20 PM

The Call of Duty demo was fun for about 20 minutes, I personally cant get into any games built off the Quake3 engine anymore. I will say that COD did the Q3 engine proud though...

<b>I help because you suck.</b>
December 16, 2003 11:31:12 PM

BTW I took your advice and got a 128mb GF4.. it came to $91 w/shipping and is a Leadtek. <A HREF="http://gameve.com/gve/Store/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=VC-..." target="_new">Click</A>
It is the 8X AGP version so it has the faster ram (same as the 64mb versions, 500-odd mhz)
Also has the good tv output encoder, similar to what the ATIs use, capable of 1024x768.

I loaded the 53.03 drivers and found more reasons I love Nvidia.. I dont remember these features in the last NV drivers I used but they are there now-

1. Slick as snot to allow custom resolutions with custom refreshrates.. which is very useful for specific applications such as arcade emulation with MAME. This is very very cool and useful.
With ATI you have to go into the registry and do all kinds of dinking around to get them functioning properly, I wont go into the details but it sucks.

2. I no longer have to use refresh force! When you use ATIs refresh rate setting in their drivers, it will change the rate to 85hz or whatever, but if you task out of the game, on reentry it snaps back to 60hz!
At least in the opengl games that I task out of frequently.
Refresh force does not allow games such as Halo to load at all when its settings are applied.. its stupid that halo doesnt allow for forced rates but what am I gonna do. :smile:

Other than that, you just encounter less little annoying issues.

And I <b>swear</b> that Nvidia's Windows 2D acceleration is much better than ATIs. You can tell just by dragging a window around fast and watching for lag. This isnt a huge issue but it is very noticable over time, even on webpages.
I can tell a distinct difference between even the GF2MX I'm on now and my previous 9800 Pro.
Besides all that, the 3.8s killing monitors from the VPU recover feature (never proven, but theres always some fact behind all rumor), and the incompatibilities with Half Life using AA/AF..
feels good being back to my roots!


Feels better to have this semester over with...!

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 16, 2003 11:45:22 PM

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The Call of Duty demo was fun for about 20 minutes, I personally cant get into any games built off the Quake3 engine anymore. I will say that COD did the Q3 engine proud though...

Thats really funny, I could never stand Q3A or ANY of its spinoffs based on it for years upon years..
COD is the first Q3A game that I enjoy.

They say Carmack severly restricted the engine on Q3A release.
I think the same will be true about Doom 3.
HL2, while cool, will probably be one of the defacto "DX9" game engines.
Could be wrong but I dont know if its going to be something significantly above and beyond a standard DX9 game.

Thats not saying that Doom3 is not based on many older technologies but its certainly something special as far as engines go. Its really a testament to Carmack and how he can make a OpenGL 1.4 game look better than a DX9 one.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 17, 2003 12:12:56 AM

Well, DoomIII is getting more primitive by the passing months, but it still utilizes some cool shader effects...
Ti cards will use ARB_VERTEX_PROGRAM and Register Combiners to get shader effects.
R200(R8500) will use the ARB_vertex_program and ATI_fragment_shader extension path.
FX cards will use the NV30 path, which utilizes the NV_fragment_program to target multiple precisions(FP16/FP32)
Radeons 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800 use the pure OpenGL ARB_vertex_program and ARB_frament_program shaders in their native FP24(full precision modes)
It's gotta be alota work fur dat damn Cramack to get all dem' cards a workin' right :wink:

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December 17, 2003 1:23:16 AM

3.2ns?...no such thing. As far as 9800NP's go, the Built by ATi cards come with 3.0 or 3.3ns ram on them.

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December 17, 2003 1:32:18 AM

He meant 3.3

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December 17, 2003 1:46:11 AM

Now you come to mention it the place I got mine just a few days ago is now showing as out of stock. The cheapest 9800 n/p I found online now after a quick look is $238 - strange. However I can still find 9800 Pros for $275 and up aplenty.
December 17, 2003 2:23:10 AM

Pricewatch and other engines are hard to use because they include those SE cards in with the full 8 pipeline NP and Pro cards.

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
December 17, 2003 3:58:12 AM

Yeah it was 3.3.. ah well, just a tenth of a nanosecond... :wink:

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I just tell it like it is and some can't handle it. If your experience is different, well congratu-fukulation.
<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
December 17, 2003 4:55:37 AM

A Review at theTechReport, perfect for this thread IMO.

<A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-590..." target="_new">http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2003q4/geforcefx-590...;/A>

But of course they didn't bench it against an Overclocked R9600PRO! :lol: 

Who needs HL2 or COD, when you can have a bunch of 'classic titles' from valve? :wink:


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December 17, 2003 6:02:12 AM

Doom III may be getting older. But the pre-alpha version I played on my R9500 Pro (pretty crappy framerate, but still playable) is still more impressive to me, than anything that has been RELEASED since that version was developed (May 2002).
Does anyone think there has been a better looking game released?
December 17, 2003 6:18:44 AM

Hah, thats a good article.. fits with my assumptions about the 5700Ultra which I was never sold on.
5900non ultra all the way, certainly deserves to be in our buyers guide..

that thing is really goofed up, we need someone to admin it (cleeve or coolsquirtle, he did create it) that is going to be a little faster on changes.
Heck, I'd love to do it. But then there would be public outcry.

BUT! You wouldve seen the 9800NP in there on release (I was sold on that one the minute I read about it), as well as the excellent 9500(assuming these cards are still available in at least North America), and I wouldnt do something noobish like remove all FX cards.
Vote for me? :smile:

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<b>I’M NOT A ATI FANBOY, I’M NOT A NV FANBOY, I’M A STABILITY FANBOY</b>
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a b Î Nvidia
December 18, 2003 2:12:58 AM

It's too touchy a subject around here.

I'd do things differently (not to criticize anyone because that's not my point, I am satisfied right now, but obviously others aren't). Spitfire said he'd change things a bit, and I think he's just looking for the time. I'm 'starting' my CAT 3.10 tests tonight so I can do this before heading east for the holidays on Sat.

Like I said, the more info the better. Hey I'd like the Parhelia and P650/750 in there too, plus the workstation cards. But I'm sort of all over the map (I work on a variety of different setups, especially when booking time at the University). And this isn't just the gaming cards forum. But like I said, I like lots of info.

I'm still not sold on the FX5900U or the FX5950. But the FX5900non-U, the FX5700U, and especially the 'new' FX5900SE/LX/XT are worthy of mention (with the standard caveat about some minor (now that the run-time compiler is working) PS2.0 performance issues that may not be resolved in some games. We kinda covered that already.

No matter what not everyone while be satisfied. Some issues with the FX line are price sensitive versus the competition (the FX5200Ultra is an 'ok' card, but usually way overpriced. Same with the FX5950U IMO). The R9600Pro WAS undoubtedly the mid-range king for a long time, that now seems different with the FX5900XT/SE/LX, but the FX5700U still seems to be a 'not the best bang for buck' card in it's class, but arguably alot closer to the R9600XT than any previous FX card (well the FX5600U REV.2 held alot of support [even from me] for a long time before games appeared with DX9 components).

In the end, I'm sure we'll see something different in the Buyer's Guide by the new year, Spitfire said as much, it's just a question of time.


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