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Hi,
I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other people.
First of all, let me say that I'll talk here about the "new" Yanoff, and
not the free, GPL version. Second, I loaded the so-called Yanoff-, as
opposed to the costly Yanoff+ with more features.
About the cost, 24USD (that's twenty-four, it's not a typo) is
ambitious, to say the least. I mean, even iSilo (one of the best readers
available IMHO) costs less! For just 5 bucks more, you can get DocsToGo
standard edition, and I think we all agree that DocsToGo does much more
than Yanoff will ever do. In my opinion, Yanoff+ should cost between 10
and 12 USD maximum.
About the functionalities, let's start by saying that Yanoff- simply
doesn't work on my LifeDrive. Yes, I could load messages from a
newsgroup, but I am unable to read them entirely, because I cannot
scroll down! I never saw before a program where simply scrolling down
was impossible (it seems like a pretty basic feature). So to start with
(and YMMV of course), the application can't be used.
Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages
over hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
being able to load newsgroups too.
Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
through the window.
Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the future,
the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default signature for
the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I simply couldn't
believe it (small pause to release the bad emotions here... deep
breath...). It means that if you don't change the default signature (and
this is not very straightforward), every time you send a message, you'll
also send a citation of the bible *in your own name*!!
I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of this
kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own path
now, and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on
others. Moreover, acting this way lets others knowing me believe that I
got back to the christian religion, without me being aware of it. This
is a shame.
I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
available (and still now one of the only ones usable). When the author
contacted me quite some time ago to ask me if I would support his new
development, I was quite enthusiastic about it, and was even ready to
pay something to help him. Then I lost interest because surfing over
GPRS is not the most comfortable experience. Having a LD now, I thought
I would enjoy using Yanoff. Well, now I am really glad that I tried it
before paying.
Greetings,
Laurent
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[posted to comp.sys.palmtops]
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Laurent Bugnion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
> very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
> do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
> need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other people.
My experience is solely with the "old" GPL version, version 1.5. It
works fine as a reader, but when I "upgraded" I lost the ability to post
mail (not sure it's not my config settings).
I, too, installed the "new" Yanoff trial version, but went back to the
GPL because of those silly "register" buttons. I have no idea what the
functionality might be that I'd pay for & even a pop-up "this function
disabled" warning would be better than those buttons.
I also agree about the price.
> Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages
> over hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
> doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
> over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
> the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
> being able to load newsgroups too.
I get my news via Bluetooth & a dongle, so this doesn't apply. I used to
use the conduit on Win98 & kept it disabled most of the time anyway,
since I just get news once a day .
However, if the author wants to put "religious testimony" in the
software, that's his business. The "sig", however, probably isn't the
place. The "about" splash screen would be more appropriate, IMO.
Now, to go play with that config setting a while...
Joe
--
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray."
- Bob Dylan
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:33:41 +0200, Laurent Bugnion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
> very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
> do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
> need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other
> people.
You might be interested in my review from several months ago:
> I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
> GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
> available (and still now one of the only ones usable).
It can easily be forked to contain or remove any features you wish, and
you can continue to call it "Yanoff" (though not Yanoff- or Yanoff+, of
course) under the terms of the GPL.
I'm pretty surprised nobody has taken on the task...
But then again, I use Plucker to read usenet now. I simply convert the
newsgroup to an rss feed with some perl glue, then point Plucker at that,
and away we go.
It wouldn't be that difficult for others to create the same sort of
process with most any other reader.
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On 2005-08-08, David A. Desrosiers <hacker@gnu-designs.com> wrote:
> But then again, I use Plucker to read usenet now. I simply convert the
> newsgroup to an rss feed with some perl glue, then point Plucker at that,
> and away we go.
How do you follow up?
--
Carl Fink carl@fink.to
If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be.
-Bruce Tognazzini
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In message <slrndfdf1v.g6n.carlf@panix2.panix.com> Carl Fink
<carlf@panix.com> wrote:
>On 2005-08-08, David A. Desrosiers <hacker@gnu-designs.com> wrote:
>
>> But then again, I use Plucker to read usenet now. I simply convert the
>> newsgroup to an rss feed with some perl glue, then point Plucker at that,
>> and away we go.
>
>How do you follow up?
It's worth noting that many people only read and never post. I'm
obviously not one of them, and I have trouble imaging the same, but a
significant percentage of NNTP accounts (on commercial servers) are used
for reading but not writing.
--
'Outlook not so good.'
That magic 8-ball knows everything!
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Laurent Bugnion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
> very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
> do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
> need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other people.
Before I start, I must clarify that I have no hands-on experience with
Yanoff, but I have kept track of the project for quite some time. The
following brought me up-to-date:
> First of all, let me say that I'll talk here about the "new" Yanoff, and
> not the free, GPL version. Second, I loaded the so-called Yanoff-, as
> opposed to the costly Yanoff+ with more features.
> About the cost, 24USD (that's twenty-four, it's not a typo) is
> ambitious, to say the least. I mean, even iSilo (one of the best readers
> available IMHO) costs less! For just 5 bucks more, you can get DocsToGo
> standard edition, and I think we all agree that DocsToGo does much more
> than Yanoff will ever do. In my opinion, Yanoff+ should cost between 10
> and 12 USD maximum.
I know of many applications that cost around $24. You unfairly used
inexpensive applications as examples.
> About the functionalities, let's start by saying that Yanoff- simply
> doesn't work on my LifeDrive. Yes, I could load messages from a
> newsgroup, but I am unable to read them entirely, because I cannot
> scroll down! I never saw before a program where simply scrolling down
> was impossible (it seems like a pretty basic feature). So to start with
> (and YMMV of course), the application can't be used.
The application was not tested under the LifeDrive. I corresponded with the
developer before the LifeDrive was even out in the shops. In his defence,
it isn't guaranteed to work on the LD. If it did, great, but if not, I am
sure you would have gotten a refund.
> Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages
> over hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
> doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
> over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
> the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
> being able to load newsgroups too.
I think it is again a case of keeping up with the changes over at
PalmSource. Sure it would be nice if more dynamic maintenance was in place,
but nothing was promised.
> Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
> much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
> even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
> replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
> likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
> moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
> through the window.
If you use a free version, I don't think you have the right to complain
about this particular aspect. One of the reasons why I left Windows was all
of the shareware applications that involved nags. With Linux I get GPL'd
application that /serve/ me rather than asking me for money.
> Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the future,
> the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default signature for
> the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I simply couldn't
> believe it (small pause to release the bad emotions here... deep
> breath...). It means that if you don't change the default signature (and
> this is not very straightforward), every time you send a message, you'll
> also send a citation of the bible *in your own name*!!
>
> I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of this
> kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own path
> now, and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on
> others. Moreover, acting this way lets others knowing me believe that I
> got back to the christian religion, without me being aware of it. This
> is a shame.
I don't think any harm or offence was originally intended, but religion is a
sensitive issue. I think assigning these default signatures was a poor
decision. On-line mail accounts like Yahoo and MSN take a similar approach,
but they use advertising and not controversial words that involve politics
and religion.
> I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
> GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
> available (and still now one of the only ones usable). When the author
> contacted me quite some time ago to ask me if I would support his new
> development, I was quite enthusiastic about it, and was even ready to
> pay something to help him. Then I lost interest because surfing over
> GPRS is not the most comfortable experience. Having a LD now, I thought
> I would enjoy using Yanoff. Well, now I am really glad that I tried it
> before paying.
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Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>Laurent Bugnion wrote:
>> Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
>> much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
>> even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
>> replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
>> likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
>> moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
>> through the window.
>
>
>If you use a free version, I don't think you have the right to complain
>about this particular aspect.
Cmon Roy, he has a *right* to complain about anything he wants. This is Usenet
after all. Just as you seem to want to use your *right* to complain about his
rights...
But really I appreciate his honest review. It certainly beats those so called
reviews on many of the Palm sites that are really camouflaged ads. "Oh I just
happened to be over at ebook this morning and saw this neat book about...".
I had considered trying the updated Yanoff product. But I too hate those
annoying reminders. So the review saved me the trouble of loading up the trial.
The author certainly has other less obnoxious ways to protect himself such as
using a time limit. But of course he has a *right* to do it any way he wants,
and the market will decide. That's the *right* way...
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Hi,
djeaux wrote:
<strip>
> However, if the author wants to put "religious testimony" in the
> software, that's his business. The "sig", however, probably isn't the
> place. The "about" splash screen would be more appropriate, IMO.
I would probably avoid buying a software displaying religious testimony
in the splash screen, but I wouldn't be shocked by it. What shocked me
here is the fact that, if I don't change the settings, some religious
data will be added to my signature without my knowledge.
>
> Now, to go play with that config setting a while...
>
>
> Joe
On another note, it seems impossible to download Yanoff GPL from the
ourceforge website. Could you email me the files?
I had read that, and decided to give it a shot anyway.
<snip>
> But then again, I use Plucker to read usenet now. I simply convert the
> newsgroup to an rss feed with some perl glue, then point Plucker at that,
> and away we go.
>
> It wouldn't be that difficult for others to create the same sort of
> process with most any other reader.
Plucker, while it's probably a great offline reader (I use iSilo myself,
fell in love with the software before Plucker was even thought of, and I
have a license for ages ;-), is not useful to me, because I also want to
load news through my WiFi connection at home, without having to start my PC.
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Hi,
Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> I know of many applications that cost around $24. You unfairly used
> inexpensive applications as examples.
I really don't think that DocsToGo or iSilo qualify as unexpensive.
They're very expensive for my standards, at least for PDA applications.
However, I agreed to pay for them because they are really full of features.
>>About the functionalities, let's start by saying that Yanoff- simply
>>doesn't work on my LifeDrive. Yes, I could load messages from a
>>newsgroup, but I am unable to read them entirely, because I cannot
>>scroll down! I never saw before a program where simply scrolling down
>>was impossible (it seems like a pretty basic feature). So to start with
>>(and YMMV of course), the application can't be used.
>
>
>
> The application was not tested under the LifeDrive. I corresponded with the
> developer before the LifeDrive was even out in the shops. In his defence,
> it isn't guaranteed to work on the LD. If it did, great, but if not, I am
> sure you would have gotten a refund.
There is no mention of this on the website. It's totally OK that it
doesn't work on the LD, it's a fairly new device. This paragraph was not
meant as an attack against the developer, rather a "buyers beware" for
other users.
>>Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages
>>over hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
>>doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
>>over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
>>the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
>>being able to load newsgroups too.
>
>
>
> I think it is again a case of keeping up with the changes over at
> PalmSource. Sure it would be nice if more dynamic maintenance was in place,
> but nothing was promised.
My point is that for 24 USD, a working conduit can be expected.
>>Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
>>much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
>>even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
>>replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
>>likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
>>moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
>>through the window.
>
> If you use a free version, I don't think you have the right to complain
> about this particular aspect. One of the reasons why I left Windows was all
> of the shareware applications that involved nags. With Linux I get GPL'd
> application that /serve/ me rather than asking me for money.
Actually, I have the right to complain about everything, this is Usenet ;-)
Seriously, and once again, this post (apart from the religious paragraph
under) is not gratuitous ranting, it's much more an attempt to
communicate about what I disliked in this software, to avoid the bad
experience to others. The buttons really bummed me, it's simply not
professional UI design (I am software developer, BTW, though I don't
develop for the Palm). Call me maniac, but it was really a painful
experience.
>>Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the future,
>>the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default signature for
>>the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I simply couldn't
>>believe it (small pause to release the bad emotions here... deep
>>breath...). It means that if you don't change the default signature (and
>>this is not very straightforward), every time you send a message, you'll
>>also send a citation of the bible *in your own name*!!
>>
>>I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of this
>>kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own path
>>now, and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on
>>others. Moreover, acting this way lets others knowing me believe that I
>>got back to the christian religion, without me being aware of it. This
>>is a shame.
>
> I don't think any harm or offence was originally intended, but religion is a
> sensitive issue. I think assigning these default signatures was a poor
> decision. On-line mail accounts like Yahoo and MSN take a similar approach,
> but they use advertising and not controversial words that involve politics
> and religion.
I am against proselytism by principle, and I fight against it every time
I see it. It doesn't matter if it's intended or by mistake.
>>I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
>>GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
>>available (and still now one of the only ones usable). When the author
>>contacted me quite some time ago to ask me if I would support his new
>>development, I was quite enthusiastic about it, and was even ready to
>>pay something to help him. Then I lost interest because surfing over
>>GPRS is not the most comfortable experience. Having a LD now, I thought
>>I would enjoy using Yanoff. Well, now I am really glad that I tried it
>>before paying.
>
> That's what trial versions are for.
>
>
> Roy
A shame, though, that trying this version made me spend such a terrible
time.
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"Laurent Bugnion" <lbugnion@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
news:42f5d577$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
> very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
> do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
> need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other people.
>
> First of all, let me say that I'll talk here about the "new" Yanoff, and
> not the free, GPL version. Second, I loaded the so-called Yanoff-, as
> opposed to the costly Yanoff+ with more features.
>
> About the cost, 24USD (that's twenty-four, it's not a typo) is ambitious,
> to say the least. I mean, even iSilo (one of the best readers available
> IMHO) costs less! For just 5 bucks more, you can get DocsToGo standard
> edition, and I think we all agree that DocsToGo does much more than Yanoff
> will ever do. In my opinion, Yanoff+ should cost between 10 and 12 USD
> maximum.
>
> About the functionalities, let's start by saying that Yanoff- simply
> doesn't work on my LifeDrive. Yes, I could load messages from a newsgroup,
> but I am unable to read them entirely, because I cannot scroll down! I
> never saw before a program where simply scrolling down was impossible (it
> seems like a pretty basic feature). So to start with (and YMMV of course),
> the application can't be used.
>
> Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages over
> hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
> doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
> over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
> the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
> being able to load newsgroups too.
>
> Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
> much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
> even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
> replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
> likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
> moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
> through the window.
>
> Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the future,
> the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default signature for
> the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I simply couldn't believe
> it (small pause to release the bad emotions here... deep breath...). It
> means that if you don't change the default signature (and this is not very
> straightforward), every time you send a message, you'll also send a
> citation of the bible *in your own name*!!
>
> I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of this
> kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own path now,
> and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on others.
> Moreover, acting this way lets others knowing me believe that I got back
> to the christian religion, without me being aware of it. This is a shame.
>
> I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
> GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
> available (and still now one of the only ones usable). When the author
> contacted me quite some time ago to ask me if I would support his new
> development, I was quite enthusiastic about it, and was even ready to pay
> something to help him. Then I lost interest because surfing over GPRS is
> not the most comfortable experience. Having a LD now, I thought I would
> enjoy using Yanoff. Well, now I am really glad that I tried it before
> paying.
>
> Greetings,
> Laurent
>
> [posted to comp.sys.palmtops.pilot]
> [posted to comp.sys.palmtops]
> [posted to www.1src.com] > [posted to www.clieuk.co.uk] > [emailed to testimonials@PalmYanoff.com]
Is it actually legal to "fork" GPL code and sell the result? I have serious
doubts.
--
Harold Fuchs
Where it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change.
-- Lucius Cary, 2nd Viscount Falkland
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Harold wrote:
> "Laurent Bugnion" <lbugnion@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> news:42f5d577$1_3@news.bluewin.ch...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I downloaded the new Yanoff yesterday and tried it on my LifeDrive. I am
> > very disappointed by it, and even shocked by one of the "features". I'll
> > do my best to keep this post emotion-free, but it's not easy. I feel the
> > need to report about this, to avoid the same bad emotions to other people.
> >
> > First of all, let me say that I'll talk here about the "new" Yanoff, and
> > not the free, GPL version. Second, I loaded the so-called Yanoff-, as
> > opposed to the costly Yanoff+ with more features.
> >
> > About the cost, 24USD (that's twenty-four, it's not a typo) is ambitious,
> > to say the least. I mean, even iSilo (one of the best readers available
> > IMHO) costs less! For just 5 bucks more, you can get DocsToGo standard
> > edition, and I think we all agree that DocsToGo does much more than Yanoff
> > will ever do. In my opinion, Yanoff+ should cost between 10 and 12 USD
> > maximum.
> >
> > About the functionalities, let's start by saying that Yanoff- simply
> > doesn't work on my LifeDrive. Yes, I could load messages from a newsgroup,
> > but I am unable to read them entirely, because I cannot scroll down! I
> > never saw before a program where simply scrolling down was impossible (it
> > seems like a pretty basic feature). So to start with (and YMMV of course),
> > the application can't be used.
> >
> > Another thing which bums me is that there is no way to load messages over
> > hotsync. The old Java conduit hasn't been updated, and anyway JSync
> > doesn't work with the newer generation of Palm desktop. Loading messages
> > over hotsync is very handy in my office, where I cannot connect my LD to
> > the network directly. I load my Versamail this way, and it would be nice
> > being able to load newsgroups too.
> >
> > Finally, the "minus" version of Yanoff is infested with reminder of how
> > much better the "plus" version is. Some of these annoying reminders are
> > even presented under the form of a pop-up. Some buttons have their text
> > replaced by something like "Register" "to get" "this feature" and the
> > likes. I mean, it's funny (not) the first time you see it, but after a
> > moment, it gets really annoying and makes you want to throw your PDA
> > through the window.
> >
> > Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the future,
> > the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default signature for
> > the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I simply couldn't believe
> > it (small pause to release the bad emotions here... deep breath...). It
> > means that if you don't change the default signature (and this is not very
> > straightforward), every time you send a message, you'll also send a
> > citation of the bible *in your own name*!!
> >
> > I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of this
> > kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own path now,
> > and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on others.
> > Moreover, acting this way lets others knowing me believe that I got back
> > to the christian religion, without me being aware of it. This is a shame.
> >
> > I sincerely regret this. It sounded like a good idea to continue Yanoff
> > GPL's development, seeing how it was for a long time the only newsreader
> > available (and still now one of the only ones usable). When the author
> > contacted me quite some time ago to ask me if I would support his new
> > development, I was quite enthusiastic about it, and was even ready to pay
> > something to help him. Then I lost interest because surfing over GPRS is
> > not the most comfortable experience. Having a LD now, I thought I would
> > enjoy using Yanoff. Well, now I am really glad that I tried it before
> > paying.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Laurent
> >
> > [posted to comp.sys.palmtops.pilot]
> > [posted to comp.sys.palmtops]
> > [posted to www.1src.com] > > [posted to www.clieuk.co.uk] > > [emailed to testimonials@PalmYanoff.com]
>
> Is it actually legal to "fork" GPL code and sell the result? I have serious
> doubts.
>
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> Where it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change.
> -- Lucius Cary, 2nd Viscount Falkland
I retract my previous post. It is OK to sell code based on the GPL
*provided* you make the source code available on demand.
Here is a direct quote from the GPL FAQ page at
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html ====== start of quote =====
Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money?
Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies
is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special
situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one
exception is the required written offer to provide source code that
must accompany binary-only release.)
===== end of quote ====
Presumably Yanoff complies with this ???
Harold Fuchs
Where it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change.
-- Lucius Cary, 2nd Viscount Falkland
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Laurent Bugnion a écrit, le 08/08/2005 09:09 :
> I really don't think that DocsToGo or iSilo qualify as unexpensive.
> They're very expensive for my standards, at least for PDA applications.
> However, I agreed to pay for them because they are really full of features.
They *are* unexpensive compared to the amount of work needed to develop
them. Because, like you, a lot of people buy them. And they are bundled.
But the potential market share of Yanoff is much much smaller... So, the
developer has to compensate the low volume by a bigger price.
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Laurent Bugnion <lbugnion@bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
> Finally, and this is why I will avoid using this software in the
> future, the author uses it for christian proselytism. The default
> signature for the sent messages bears a citation of the bible! I
> simply couldn't believe it (small pause to release the bad emotions
> here... deep breath...). It means that if you don't change the
> default signature (and this is not very straightforward), every time
> you send a message, you'll also send a citation of the bible *in your
> own name*!!
>
> I am not a christian, I left the reformed church exactly because of
> this kind of disrespectful amd disgraceful attitude. I follow my own
> path
> now, and I am shocked by someone trying to impose his own views on
> others.
Yes, it is disgraceful. The religious angle is also why I have ignored
the author's email offer of a free license to have me test it.
I use SSH to connect from my UX-50 to a server, and read Usenet there.
It works well, but with the drawback that I have to be online. But
there's no sacrificing of sons involved, which more than weighs up for
the inconvenience.
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David A. Desrosiers <hacker@gnu-designs.com> wrote:
>
> It can easily be forked to contain or remove any features you wish,
> and you can continue to call it "Yanoff" (though not Yanoff- or
> Yanoff+, of course) under the terms of the GPL.
Why not Yanoff- or Yanoff+? It would cause confusion and I wouldn't
recommend it, but I don't see anything in the GPL that prevents you from
using the same name. Y++ would be a good name :-)
