Biostar M7VIP - ATI Radeon 9200SE GPU

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- Motherboard Biostar M7VIP Pro
- Supports up to 4X AGP (doesn't support 8X AGP)

- Video card:
- ATI Radeon 9200SE GPU
- 128 MB DDR RAM
- 8x AGP

Will the above Video card run OK on the above motherboard?
Will the video card (8X AGP) running on a mobo with (4X AGP) support, lose very much performance.

Thanks for any input

 

[Crashman]

The 9200SE is such a weak card, it wouldn't loose performance even on an old AGP 2x bus board.

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[endyen]

It will work exactly the same as it would on a board with an 8X agp slot. Even a very expensive card will gain very little from 8X agp.

 

[UNSoldierPT]

The Radeon 9200SE is to weak. I recomened you the GeForce4 Ti4200 as a better option in the under 100us market. But if you realy prefer Ati, then get at least the 9200Pro.

 

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I didn't realize the "ATI Radeon 9200SE" card was such a puppy. The numbers were impressive compared with others.

I have another option in the same price range, a nVidea card, some specs below.

<font color=blue><b> GeForce FX 5200 128MB DDR AGP Video Card w/TV&DVI</b>

- nVidia GeForce FX 5200 chipset
- 4x/8x AGP interface
- 128 MB DDR RAM
- 350/400 MHz internal RAMDAC</font color=blue>

I won't be using this for gaming, but I do a lot of Graphics work and I am going to be doing some DVD burning in the near future and I need a good enough card to make things go a little better. I thought the 128MB DDR would be an improvement on my old "ATI 7500" 64MB.

I will look at the Ti4200.

Thanks

 

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I am looking at some nVidia cards now. What is the advantage of 8x over 4x, is it picture quality, speed or what? All this video card termiology has been a grey area for me, as I'm not that much of a techie. I seem to know just enough to get me in trouble on these boards.

Thanks :lol:

 

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Crashman,

Your opinions are always well taken. I'm now looking for a stronger card.

Maybe a good tutorial or article would help me understand graphics cards better. Maybe you know of such a site.

Thanks

 

[cleeve]

Video cards, from worst to best, in the bargain basement price range:

(levels with an equal sign means they're pretty much on par with each other, give or take a benchmark or two)

6. Geforce FX 5200 (64 bit) = Radeon 9200SE
5. Geforce3, Geforce3 Ti200 = GeforceFX 5200 = Radeon 9000, Radeon 9200
4. Geforce3 Ti500, GeforceFX 5200 ULTRA = Radeon 8500, Radeon 9100, Radeon 9000 PRO
3 Geforce FX 5600 = Radeon 9600SE
2. Geforce4 Ti4200 = Radeon 9500, Radeon 9600
1. Radeon 9600 PRO

There's not alot of price difference in this range, the #1 budget king being the $130 9600 PRO.

The Geforce4Ti 4200 64mb follows closely in the $85 price range.

It's not really worth buying anything less than either of these two cards because the prices don't drop that much on the poorer performers. hell, sometimes the crappy cards are more expensive.



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The "Radeon 9600 PRO" is a little pricey for my needs. The "Geforce4 Ti4200" for around $85-90 sound great, like you said, so I'm looking at that pretty hard. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm not a "gamer", so my needs aren't that great.

I appreciate your compilation of info, it was very helpful.

Here is a good page I ran across that gives about all of the nVidia card specs. I Thought it might also be useful to

someone.

<A HREF="http://www.albatron.com.tw/english/it/vga/pro_list.asp" target="_new">www.albatron.com.tw/</A>

Thanks

 

[Crashman]

I see you're using a 7500, which is a very strong DirectX 7 card. The 9200SE is a very weak DX8 card, probably weaker than the 7500. The 8500 on which it's based would likely be an ideal card for you, but these are hard to find.

Basically for the cards based on 8500 technology, you have:
Radeon 8500, clockrate 275/275 (DDR550)
Radeon 8500LE 64MB, 250/250 (DDR500)
Radeon 8500LE 128MB 250/200 {DDR400)
Radeon 9100, both versions identicle to the 8500LE

Then you have the weaker versions for the super budget market.
9000 Pro is fair
9200 is slower
9000 is slower
9200SE is slowest.

Ti4200 is OK, faster at many things than the 9100 or the 5200.

The 9600 series won't even fit a 2x board. The 9500 series will.

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Crash,

I found an 8500LE within my price range. I will try it out.

Thanks again, I hope your information coffers never go dry!

 

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ATI Radeon 9200SE 128MB DDR AGP8X DVI+CRT+TVO Powered By ATI - $45 (Pricewatch)

ATI OEM RADEON 8500 LE 128MB DDR AGP w/ TV-Out DVI-I - $80 (Pricewatch) <font color=red><<< OEM</font color=red>

I was wondering why there is such a price difference in these 2 cards.
It seems like the 9200SE should be higher than the 8500LE. Isn't the 9200SE an upgrade for the 8500?
These numbers seem misleading. I know you said the 9200SE were slower budget cards.

Just Curious :tongue:

 

[cleeve]

The 8500 was Ati's DirectX 8 flagship. It was made to kick ass in it's time. It has 4 pipelines with 2 texture units each pipe.

The 9000/9200 are Ati's budget parts. They are made to bring 3d fuinctionality to the masses, and to be made cheaply. They have 4 pixel pipelines, but only one texture unit per pipe.

The 8500 based cards (8500,8500LE, and 9100) are, generally, superior in performance to the 9000 based cards (9000 and 9200).

It seems confusing, but basically it's the way it is because the 9000 based cards were released long after the 8500 hit the market. So instead of thinking 9200>8500, you have to look at the hardware specs and market positioning.

Hope that clears things up a little,

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<b>3dMark03: <font color=red>4,055</b></font color=red>

 

[cleeve]

The 9200SE is a very weak DX8 card, probably weaker than the 7500.

I think Crashman knows this, but it may be a little confusing so, just to clarify for the readers: The 7500 is a DirectX 7 card, not a DirectX 8 card.

Although I bet you a 9200SE would beat 7500 in most applications except maybe strictly DirectX 7 games (like quake 3) just because the 9200 architecture is pretty good even though bandwidth is gibbled so much.

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[Crashman]

For a similar price you could get a GeForce4 Ti4200, which is stronger than the 8500LE.

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Cleeve,

Thanks, that clears up a lot!

I ended up ordering the ATI Radeon 8500 LE. It was in the price range and has what I need for my DVD projects and the Graphics I work with (128DDR).

Yes, ATIs numbering system has something to be desired. They do deceive (newbies like myself), for the sake of making a buck. Now, an American way of life (at least in marketing), it's sad to say.

Thanks for all of the great information that I was unable to find anyplace else.

 

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Crashman,

I ended up ordering the ATI 8500 LE. The Ti4200 was probably more powerful, but a little pricier as well.

Thanks for all the valuable info, only available at THGC. There's only one Crashman!