Well looks like Nvidia for me

My brother just called me he had purchased a Radeon 9800Pro All in Wonder 128MB version and just spend two days of hell trying to get it working. Hours of long distance with ATI tech support which he of course has to pay for because ATI doesnt have a 1-800 number and he had to wait an average of 45 minutes before getting through to a person each time he called. Replaced the card twice at local store on suggestion of ATI tech support. WACKO problems to many to go into any detail since I wasnt the one going through the nightmare but I can tell you I sympathized. Nvidia gets my money again since I know their drivers work based on my own experience with them and ATI has failed me too many times. I wont be going through that hell a third time. You can blab all day how good ATI is but if the card doesnt work on my system then it sucks to me and is worthless. Oops forgot to mention he gave up on the card and is going to spend that money on an nvidia card instead. When he gets one I will update this post or mention it in the graphics section here whether or not he had just as many problems with nvidia.

Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by hobbit on 01/07/04 05:14 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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  1. I cannot stress this enough:

    REDO YOUR WINDOWS PARTITION AND INSTALL A SET OF FRESH DRIVERS WHEN YOU BUY A NEW VIDEOCARD.

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  2. Yah, but ut's so much more fun getting bent out of shape and blaming Ati/Nvidia/ Asus/ Abit/ etc. Doing things right takes all the fun out of it.
  3. These last couple weeks have been terrible with people coming here and blaming everyone but themselves for their problems.

    If you buy a new videocard try to remove the drivers using something like Detonator destroyer. If it still doesn't work then REDO YOUR WINDOWS PARTITION AND INSTALL A FRESH SET OF DRIVERS.

    It's not that hard.

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  4. I'd say it's highly unlikely someone would get 3 bad cards in a row. I think he's got other things that are causing the problems.
  5. This is the same guy who went off about HL2 and "D2" with ATI cards. Obviously the concept of removing all traces of existing drivers is as foreign as D]|[. :wink:

    You know I'm worried my card won't be able to handle the new Leisure Suit Larry, them babes better bounce like Jello or I'm getting a Volari! :evil:


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  6. Relax man... Smtimes people don't know about detonaor destroyer and the need to format their windows partition...

    Well hobbit, it seems that ur accusation your Ati card being sucky and all i cant blame u. I had problems with my Ati card when i just got it too... One thing's for sure, when u want to install a NEW graphics card, (either moving form a nVidia one or a completely new install),

    1) delete ALL remenants of pervious drivers of ur old graphics card

    2)install the new drivers. If that doesn't work, format ur harddisk/partition whr ur Operating system is, and do a fresh install of windows.

    Thats wad i did and its working perfectly right now...

    Cheers.

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    Creative SB Live! 5.1 Digital<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by BirdRobin on 01/06/04 11:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
  7. haha u mean he has ditched ati b4?

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  8. Hear hear.

    I can't STAND people who RMA hardware as being "defective" when they're just too stupid and lazy to get it working right themselves.

    Some day I'll be rich and famous for inventing a device that allows you to stab people in the face over the internet.
  9. <A HREF="http://www.dell.com" target="_new">http://www.dell.com</A>

    There you go that should solve yours and your bros problems - obviously too stupid to be upgrading things. :wink:
  10. Hobbit! Welcome back! I remember last time it was your AIW 8500 that attacked you! Wow! You know what's funny is that my friend has the 8500DV, I have the AIW 9600 Pro, and neither of us has had problems.

    hobit-piece of crap doesn't work!
    crashman-try plugging in that extra power cord.
    hobit-don't tell me what to do!

    LOL!

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  11. You guys need to just buy Nvidia and forget about all your problems.

    Less post to read that way.

    I went back to Nvidia and everythings smoother across the whole system again.
    Its almost a game for me to install every piece of software I have on my shelf to see if I can somehow fubar the rock-solid drivers.
    I have no problem sacrificing some speed for that at all.

    You and your brother need to rethink your priorities and quit bandwagoning on the hot thing.
    /smack!

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  12. Insisting that its the persons fault it isnt working isn't as legit as some may think. The fact that Nvidia is more often to work without the user knowing much tech wise is a big plus in Nvidia's favor. If I have the choice between a slightly better performing ATI card that requires me to do things I'm not familiar with or even aware that I need to do, or, get a slightly less performing Nvidia card that will work regardless what I know or don't know then the Nvidia card has my vote.
  13. Fine. The rest of us who ARE aware of the process of properly installing a video card will choose the best card instead of the most familiar one.
  14. LOL, let me tell you why that's funny: The average complaints are:
    1.) Won't work (because the power cable is unplugged, nVidia uses these too)
    2.) Won't work (because the card isn't pushed in all the way, nVidia cards have to be pushed in two)
    3.) Driver errors after replacing nVidia cards (because nVidia drivers are made to crash ATI drivers).
    4.) Locks/powers down/corruption (because the power supply is too small).

    These are the most common ATI problems. All except #3 are also nVidia problems. Actually, their assembly problems. And if you blame ATI for #3 that's like blaming a man for getting shot walking down the street.

    So why do you see so many complaints on ATI's cards, when they are usually power problems? Because so many more users have the 9800 than the 5900 would be my guess. FX5200's have lousy performance but don't require a good power supply nor an extra cable, perhaps you should consider one of them?

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  15. The reason NVidia cards "work more often" when upgrading is because most people are upgrading from an NVidia card so there are no driver conflict issues.
  16. Yes, ditto what you said. But, I have been around a long time so my mistakes with ATI and other company's are not daily occurances. I was thinking about Radeon 9800XT for myself the last month or so based on posts here and reviews but was already changing my mind after reading posts here and then my own brothers nightmare made up my mind for me.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  17. Yeah i agree i upgraded form a GF4 mx440 SE... =D

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  18. Hello, again :-). I love you still.

    I cant answer specifics it wasnt my rig. He builds and upgrades his own systems so he isnt going to make terribly simple mistakes after 2 days of trying. Senior tech support couldnt figure it out either. Like me he is not willing to reformat and start over. Anyhow who wants to start from scratch formating their HD and reinstalling all the updates and patches and tweaking settings for all the software and peripherals (dont forget rebooting over and over) can have at it. The young have fun wasting their time doing it but I personally dont want to do it unless I am upgrading my motherboard and the rest that entails. It wouldnt be a problem if that REALLY only took 30 minutes but many here always dismiss all the work it really takes installing EVERYTHING not just an OS. Sorry, but after all the reboots it would take me at least two 8 hour days to get things back to what I have now.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by hobbit on 01/07/04 05:36 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
  19. I love you! That is exactly my point for the last 4 years between these two competing cards.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  20. hobbit = pure nVidiot

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  21. Crashman you just said something that rings a bell. My brother has a compusa 500W power supply and his system would boot sometimes after a minute or two then the monitor would go dead with the system still on. In the end it wouldnt boot at all with the Radeon installed but would boot with a pci video card he still has. He doesnt have an extra AGP card at the moment. I said it was the power supply too but he then said he had a 500W compusa power supply and I couldnt find any bad information online about them and he was upset about it all so that was that. So, you say before he gives up I should encourage him to buy a new powersupply? Probably an enermax or something. I think it is too late for him since he is too mad about all the time he already spent on it. Yep, awfully funny that tech support wouldnt say its your powersupply. Don't know I wasnt their. I am sure it was discussed. Maybe compusa misrepresented what the powersupply wattage actually is. Also, I just remembered that another problem was his mouse cursor dissapeared on him but was working. Meaning an invisible mouse cursor that if you position it over whatever and click it works.

    Update: Talked to my brother this morning and he tested his PS with a voltmeter and the voltage doesnt drop when he plugs in the ATI card so the problem isnt a lack of power. Who knows at this point. Maybe a motherboard / chipset incompatability. He also used a separate PS from another PC just for the video card and that doesnt work either.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by hobbit on 01/07/04 07:12 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
  22. Now that was funny! thank you for the laugh

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  23. 1. It is always good to clean up window install once in a while to keep system clean and fast. So i wouldn't say the time is wasted.

    2. I feel sorry for anyone that need to spend 8 hours per day for 2 days to reinstall their system. You must be a robot that has hundreds of applications running on your computer to achieve that goal. :tongue:
  24. And we should give a $hit about the video card brand you choose... because?

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  25. oh, not “we” or you specifically should have to give a $hit but obviously you take one in the mouth and are "fundament"ally come bucket swilling to swallow. Seriously though if you don’t care don’t post in my thread asking such silly questions.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  26. Wow. You sound as dirty as your mom did after I gave her a silver dollar and put a beer bottle in her hindquarters.

    Only you're prettier than she is.

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  27. Must be doing something wrong. BBA 9800XT running grate since install.
  28. You buying Plymouth?
  29. You counting for him!!!
  30. Arn't hobits cousins to trolls?
  31. Something is wrong obviously but that doesnt mean it is the installers fault. Just dont assume if you had his system in front of you that you could get it working. I am happy for your success maybe I will change my mind again and if I waste my time and money again such is life.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  32. Quote:

    3.) Driver errors after replacing nVidia cards (because nVidia drivers are made to crash ATI drivers).


    All except #3 are also nVidia problems

    Actually they crash Matrox Cards, and S3 cards too (and probably others). I'd also say that #3 IS an nVidia problem.
    The scary thing, if you read <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com" target="_new">Guru3D's</A> description of their Det removal tools (RIP is my recommendation) they cause problems for nVidia users too! So it's an nV problem even for nV users.

    People want to upgrade their own rigs, but don't take the effort to learn about their parts the way they would when installing a new part in their cars. They naturally assume they have some apptitude with their computer because they use it everyday. It's sometimes funny how wrong they can be.

    BTW, how do I mod my R9600Pro into and R9800XT?


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  33. The AIW 9600 Pro was an easy install for my, since my previous card was a Radeon DDR. A lot of users are incorporating their new card into a new system, or a total overhaul, which usually requires a clean install anyway. And the kids in here know how to eradicate old drivers, etc.

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  34. Quote:
    Like me he is not willing to reformat and start over. Anyhow who wants to start from scratch formating their HD and reinstalling all the updates and patches and tweaking settings for all the software and peripherals (dont forget rebooting over and over) can have at it. The young have fun wasting their time doing it but I personally dont want to do it unless I am upgrading my motherboard and the rest that entails. It wouldnt be a problem if that REALLY only took 30 minutes but many here always dismiss all the work it really takes installing EVERYTHING not just an OS. Sorry, but after all the reboots it would take me at least two 8 hour days to get things back to what I have now.


    You're better off buying a Dell. Anyone who needs 16 hours to reinstall their OS and programs has no business upgrading their videocard.

    It takes a whole 45 seconds to reboot. I couldn't imagine living throught a 45 second reboot. OMG! [/sarcasm]

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  35. dell pcs are nice and quiet!
    :smile:

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    Yeah, thats right. I support the NV/AMD/IBM axis of evil.
  36. R9600pro to R9800XT huh... then i can get my Gf4 mx to a Ti!

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  37. To mod your 9600 into a 9800XT open your case while the machine is running a heavy-duty 3d app and take a steamy yellow pi*s right on the videocard and it should magically double its memory and jack up its clock and mem speeds and its fan will morph into that of the 9800XT. Duh...!

    AHHH <b>MOTHERLAND!!!!!</b>
  38. I tried that but it didn't work. Was I supposed to take a dump or a leak? I took a dump right in the case and it's not working.

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  39. What if I've been drinking alot of beer (gotta get rid of the last of the Nectar from Upper Canada). My pee is probably very clear right now. I'll wait 'til tomorrow to try the mod.

    Will adding Asparagus hell turn it into Hercules card?

    Will adding vitamins give me a Volt-Modded card?

    :evil:


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  40. Quote:
    It wouldnt be a problem if that REALLY only took 30 minutes but many here always dismiss all the work it really takes installing EVERYTHING not just an OS. Sorry, but after all the reboots it would take me at least two 8 hour days to get things back to what I have now.

    You can use Norton Ghost or something similar. Then if you take more than three hours you should pay someone to do it for you.
  41. I dont' know about detanator destroyer.. but i've never had problems uninstalling drivers. and reinstalling new drivers for new things.
    Even though i wish i knew how to use linux , windows has a fairly descent driver manager.. i mean it's point and click.

    You shut down.. swap cards. Turn on.. install new drivers.
    Something must happen when people by dells and gateways.. the systems must just not accept upgrades at all.

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  42. Amazing how a geforce 4mmx is now an onboard feature.
    I can't wait till we have onboard 9800pro's.

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  43. hobbits are flamers.. haven't you seen Lord of the Rings?
    He spends a good year going to the flame.
    *shh i loved that 10 hour movie though.*

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  44. You must be an uncomprehending child to comment like that. Everyone like you must play one game and work with one program and that is it. Never do anything else with their pc but reinstall their OS over and over when they have a new video card. Your so out to lunch I can hardly believe it. No, clue whatsoever.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  45. OMG why didnt I think of that, LOL (sarcasm). Think before you post and say reinstall your OS from a backup. I dont even want to explain this one. You ever watch something so funny/gross you can hardly watch it you have to change the channel. That is how I feel about your answer. Incredible!

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  46. 1. Do your dear brother upgrade his video every week, then why does he need to reinstall OS over and over? :tongue:

    2. I usually reinstall my system every 6 months or when something goes wrong. It only took me about 5-7 hours to install stuffs back.

    Keep in mind my dual boot box's window partition has approx 25 games/applications, and about 10 on the Redhat(linux) partition. :wink:

    PS. I hope that kind of detail will terminate your evil flamy thought. :evil:
  47. 1. He doesnt. Where did you read that?
    2. I fix my problems and restore with a backup when I cant so I dont have to reinstall everything every six months. You obviously like making work for yourself.

    Is that all you have installed then my system is far richer in installed software.

    No, evil thoughts just remembering why I post so little here.

    Balls, said the Queen if I had them I would be king!
  48. 1.
    Quote:
    Never do anything else with their pc but reinstall their OS over and over when they have a new video card.

    You said that youself, only one reinstall is needed as final solution. However your brother needed multi reinstalls so i guess he has several cards at his desk. :frown:

    2.
    Quote:
    It wouldnt be a problem if that REALLY only took 30 minutes but many here always dismiss all the work it really takes installing EVERYTHING not just an OS. Sorry, but after all the reboots it would take me at least two 8 hour days to get things back to what I have now.

    I fail to see why i am doing more works than you when you take three times the amount to restore a system. :eek:

    Quote:
    far richer in installed software

    I take it that you have at least 60 games/applications installed on the system? And do you run scripts to run them in auto mode otherwise you must grow like six hands to use so many programs at once. :redface:

    Please keep the flame consistent too. :cool:

    PS.good old flame war is cool. :evil:
  49. Quote:
    OMG why didnt I think of that, LOL (sarcasm). Think before you post and say reinstall your OS from a backup. I dont even want to explain this one. You ever watch something so funny/gross you can hardly watch it you have to change the channel. That is how I feel about your answer. Incredible!

    You are just sad if it takes you more than three hours with using Norton Ghost. Besides your brother probably would have saved time and had less frustration actually just formatting his windows partition than calling tech support and returning the "defective" card three times over. Of course blaming the manufacturer is just so much easier than accepting ones stupidity. 16 hours to reformat lol. I reformatted my computer in a little less than three hours, with fully installing all the applications , tweaking all the windows settings, and of course the item that takes the most time RESTARTING, without Norton Ghost.
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