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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 1:09:34 AM

THGC Newb here just wondering if anyone who's been here a while would take a guestimate of the ratio of NVidia Fanboys to ATI Fanboys in this forum. I myself cheer for ATI, but I have used dozens of NVidia cards in the past couple of years also.

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January 8, 2004 1:44:11 AM

NVidia - 49.513652%
ATI - 49.513891%
Other - 0.972457%
(give or take 10%-20%)

Some have argued that it should be 49.513890% for ATI, but that's no longer the case after the full moon went up above us.

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January 8, 2004 1:48:06 AM

A lot:a lot

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January 8, 2004 1:49:43 AM

Some people like both and some like different companies than just those two (at least one likes all of the above).

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 8, 2004 3:27:50 AM

Fanboys? There are very few fanboys.

General trend of what cards people use? More people use ATI's cards right now since the Nvidia FX cards have been controversial and not as good.

Tommorrow is a different day though.

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January 8, 2004 6:45:02 AM

I traded in my nvidia for an ati...my 2 cents worth
January 8, 2004 9:30:36 AM

ati->nvidia->ati for myself. Next time I buy one who knows? Maybe XGI will be the one to get next time I upgrade. :wink:
a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 10:36:38 AM

LOL, very nice.

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 10:42:34 AM

So there are more enthusiasts than fanboys. Good to know. I guess asking "in your opinions, who currently makes the best card" may be a better question.

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 10:52:23 AM

A guess I'd say a total Fanboy is a person who always sticks to one brand and always claims it is the best, badmouthing the competition all the way. Hense the true fanboy rarely gets the most card for his money.

I was using the term loosely here and referring to 1) the Card you own, 2) the cards you have generally bought in the past, and most important 3)who do you like to see come out on top when the newest batch of cards come out and are benchmarked. I like to see ATI come out on top, but I'll use NVidia when it represents a good value. (Ti4200 for ages now)

If you like most to see the newest Card from any company beat out the current speed champ, no matter what brand, then you are not a fanboy, just a true enthusiast.

That's my opinion anyway. Like I said unimportant question. Glad to see replys though.

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January 8, 2004 1:57:37 PM

Look at hobbit, i think you get the picture. :tongue:
a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
January 8, 2004 3:37:12 PM

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Like I said unimportant question.

Well if you're new it's not an unimportant question. If this place were full of fanboys (I'm admitedly a Matrox Fan) then you'd be wasting your time asking anyone a serious question because the responses would simply be PR.

Most people here are pretty objective, the few who aren't usually get a knock on the nose or called ponces and it's quick to see that those people don't garner respect. We all have our preferences, but usually that is backed up. Some of us have mild grudges because of past actions but we try to keep that out of objective recommendations, just use it as a caveat. The main thing to look out for is sarcasm and mild-bs. There's alot of that in here, and some people tend to snap when it gets boring in the graphics field.

Welcome to THGC, Keep your head up and your nose clean. :cool:


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January 8, 2004 3:50:13 PM

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guess asking "in your opinions, who currently makes the best card" may be a better question.


In my opinion the best card depends on your price range. From lowest prices to highest the best cards are:

Geforce4 Ti4200
Radeon 9600 PRO
GeforceFX 5900 non-ultra/XT
Radeon 9800 PRO/XT

If you're really asking which card I think is the absolute best, as you can see I lean toward the 9800 series because I have great faith in it's powerful Pixel shaders and superior quality of antialiassing.

But that doesn't mean I think Nvidia sucks; It just means I think Ati is offering the best hardware for right now.

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a b U Graphics card
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January 8, 2004 4:19:33 PM

Don't Forget the Parhelia HR256! :wink:


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January 8, 2004 4:24:40 PM

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I'm admitedly a Matrox Fan

Don't be afraid to admit it!! (eventhough most of use who have been here know that already)

JW, do you know when Matrox plans to release their next big-time card? Haven't heard much noise from them (especially not about gaming) other than the P-series and the PCI Parhelia.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 8, 2004 4:26:47 PM

If only those monitors had a decent refreshrate!! And didn't cost multiple thousands of dollars :frown: .

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 8, 2004 4:32:34 PM

I'm also a Matrox fan, but switched to ATi when the original Radeon was released. I needed something more powerful for games, and my Marvel G200TV just wasn't cutting it anymore. Should Matrox come up with a serious 3D contender, I definately would consider going back.

My upgrade path for vid cards has been G200 --> Radeon --> Radeon 8500 --> Radeon 9700Pro.

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a b U Graphics card
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January 8, 2004 5:41:08 PM

There is to be a new card released this spring (according to the 'noise'), but no one knows what it is. A cheaper P650-class card? Another Parhellia on a PCI-EX bus (not that it needs it), a Parhellia 2 (code named Pitou, IIRC) is another posibility, there's been buzz but no more info other than the codename, could even be a better or cheaper version of the HR256 with different features.

There is less info leak from Matrox than any of the Big Boys who benifit much more from anticipation.

I'm hoping for something in the Parhelia line, but I highly doubt it will have any gaming focus considering they let go their game relations staff, and have focused away from gaming. Their only way to get back on track IMO would be to go after the high end Workstation market for 3D (going up against the FirGL, Wildcat and Quadro lines) and then take any success/R&D there with them to re-enter the gaming market. However I don't see that happening any time soon (the market is begining to get even more cutthroat with the Addition of S3, XGI, and PowerVR).

We'll have to wait it seems.



As for the monitors, the IBM is VERY sweet, I've used one at the Univ. (and requested one from T&O at work when they used to be $20,000 just for the rejection letter explaining why my ergonomics concerns didn't justify the expense), and now they're only $7,000 CDN IBM employee price, SchweEet! :wink:

Refresh is not their focus. You'd be able to get by easily on 15fps or less with those. The main thing is scaling. I'd love to have one (I run my P260 here at work at max 1920x1440x32@75fps).

EDIT: BTW, not afraid to admit it, just doing so for full disclosure. Staunch supporter! :cool:

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 01/08/04 12:52 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
a b U Graphics card
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January 8, 2004 5:48:40 PM

That's my position too. I switched a little earlier, but should there be an R9600Pro class product for a similar price, I'd go back in an instant.

The main problem with the line right now is price. The P650 though would be a good choice for my editing rig, and may some day suplant the R9000 in it right now. But really, I'm satisfied with what I have from ATI for now.

Still follow Matrox closely for anything new that would make me jump back into their camp. Talking to people on the Matrox forums is funny though, passion runs high with them. I can't say I disagree, but it is funny hearing people say they'd rather have their Parhelia over and R9800Xt or FX5950. The major selling points for some are 16X AA, which to me isn't enough to pay that premium.
Perhaps the future hold a different card for me though.

Matrox to me still means unmatched 2D performance. The 5 stage filter process (versus ATI and nV's 3 stages) makes a big difference in image quality even with slower ramdacs (which is why oftne a G450/550 looks better than an ATI or nV product with 400mhz RAMDACs IMO).


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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 7:59:02 PM

"Welcome to THGC, Keep your head up and your nose clean."


Thank You.

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 8:06:20 PM

good answer. I agree with 3 of your 4. I'd stick a 9800 non-pro in for the FX5900/XT if you can still find one for the $200-$225 range. Great deal when it was $200 at circuit city months ago.

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 8:17:01 PM

"My upgrade path for vid cards has been G200 --> Radeon --> Radeon 8500 --> Radeon 9700Pro."

Interesting to see. My personal gaming machine upgrade path is Xpert 98@play, Rage Fury Pro, Radeon 32DDR, Radeon 8500, Radeon 9500 Pro. I look strictly ATI huh. But I have a few gaming systems in my LAN for when friends come over with mostly Ti4200's in them. And no I am not at all wealthy, just a gamer/ pc build addict who can't pass up a great deal when I see it. I sell systems, and unfortunately keep some too.

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a b U Graphics card
January 8, 2004 9:23:51 PM

"The Radeon 8500 was a weird card indeed, or you could say the turning point of ATi's fortune."

Yeah, Of all my ATI's the BBA 8500 64MB was the only one to give me trouble. Fast speed for it's day, great visial quality, but occastional lockups while gaming or 3D benchmarks. Acted the same no matter what drivers and on 2 different systems. I RMA'd it after about 1 year and the replacement was better, but still less stable than I wanted. Maybe not the way you intended it, but it was "weird" to me too. The 8500le's never gave me problems though.

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January 8, 2004 9:29:03 PM

Do I count as 2 people (ie 2 nv fanboys) since I'm a 200 pound dead sexy track guy? Phial can attest to that.

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January 8, 2004 9:49:30 PM

I wouldn't mind getting a cheaper P-650, but I'd much rather have a newer Parhelia series card (if better than the -512 and not on PCI-EX). I'd rather see a Parhelia 2 and pickup a reduced-price Parhelia (hopefully Parhelia 2 will allow 10-bit color with multiple displays). I'd imagine Pitou would have beefed up 3D with Longhorn being released in it's lifetime...and supposedly Longhorn will kick a graphics card's ass.

I knew Matrox's leaks are pretty much non-existent (which is why I asked you)...but I've still heard surprisingly little.

I really wouldn't care for a gaming Matrox...I wouldn't use it for gaming anyway (MAYBE HL2 and Halo [if it could run them]--nothing more). Maybe an all-in-one video editting solution (Triplehead and TV output) instead of a dual card config, but that would probably cost an arm and 2 legs (and then I couldn't walk...).

I got the privilege of using the IBM T221 on two occasions (amazing monitor). First was briefly with my dad (who works for IBM) at the office when they first came out...I did have one complaint: whenever I would drag a window, I would get horrible drag ghosting (kind of like mouse trails--maybe it was just really bad ghosting, but it was not as bad as Mac's 23-inch prettybox), I wasn't sure what the graphics card was. I tried it for about 45-minutes (all together too brief) again about a month later on an HR256 and there was still ghosting on scrolling on a text page and window dragging, but it was only ghosting, and not TOO bad (especially considering size and resolution). I would easily live with whatever ghosting exists because I don't really move any windows around once I get them in place.

I'd love to have one...too bad IBM US doesn't have it on their employee purchase program site, especially since it's $8400USD at the regular site (not that I could get one at even 7000CDN [which is a relative steal])!!

I've definitely been thinking about ditching my 4400 and getting a P-650 or Parhelia (most likely a Parhelia) and getting two nice 21/22" Mitsubishi or Viewsonic CRTs. There's something to be said about having 2 2.75MP monitors over one (albeit AMAZING) 9.2MP monitor--feels more organized, IMO. I like CRTs more too. I'd rather work on the rest of my system for now, though.

Anyway, I'm really starting to think about building a second system for productive stuff and leaving this one for gaming (with a better graphics card and only one monitor).

My 4400 really can't run the best refresh rates in daily usage with a 1600x1200x32 and a 1280x1024x32 (really annoying having one be 4:3 and the other 5:4...but when I drop my second down to 1280x960x32 I get distortion (W I D E text on the sides and nrrw text in the middle) like it wasn't mean to run that resolution--and I'm not dropping my main one to 1280x1024x32) running at the same time. Weird thing is that the flicker is only noticable from a distance and REALLY close...but not from my seat.

Only a few months ago I loved gaming...now I really could do without the more I think about it. Only Halo, HL2, and Hitman 2 (kinda old, I know--but I love it) interest me at all (too bad I can only run 1 with good detail), maybe more games that start with H should come out and I'd get back into gaming.

I'll probably contact Matrox and sound like a really interested customer to see if they will leak anything to me about Pitou (doubtful). Do you think I'll get more out of them if I act really dumb, normal, or TRY to sound really knowlegable (I'd guess normal--too dumb and they baby-you and too smart and they're afraid you're on the staff of a competing company or part of a review site)?

Anyway...I'm getting a little sick of my 4400's performance in WindowsFX (skinning tool that M$ has taken A LOT of features from and plans to incorporate them into Longhorn), and it (as well as the other stuff I run--though not NEARLY as intensive) highly recommends Matrox for optimal performance. nVidia is at the bottom of the list with S3 and somebody else :frown: . Alright, I need to stop convincing myself to get a Parhelia.

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a b U Graphics card
a b Î Nvidia
January 8, 2004 11:17:25 PM

Yeah Longhorn's an issue, but it's about 2 years away so likely time for another generation between now and then, and simply meeting the R9600Pro's performance level in 3D should cover the LongHOARD basics IMO.

I don't think an AIW version is in their future, their RT series is serious stuff, and works well (better than scrimping to fit on one card IMO) as is. It's really only their 3D that's hurting. Something better for MAYA, 3DSMax and the like would be nice though.

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with my dad (who works for IBM)

Yeah mine used towork for them too. Image Applications and Product P(l)anning @ TOROLAB. That's why I listed the employee price (BTW that's Canadian). :cool:

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whenever I would drag a window, I would get horrible drag ghosting (kind of like mouse trails--maybe it was just really bad ghosting, but it was not as bad as Mac's 23-inch prettybox), I wasn't sure what the graphics card was.

Yeah could be a mix of both. I would tend to blame the Graphics Card more than anything. You would experience some ghosting for sure, rememebr that model is built on older TFT technology and likely has a 25+ms time.

And like you say I wouldn't care as much Motion is for CRTs IMO, I would likely use this monitor on my editing rig for Photos. I could probably show nearly a complete 14N .RAW frame on the screen (probably about 85%).

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I'd love to have one...too bad IBM US doesn't have it on their employee purchase program site, especially since it's $8400USD at the regular site (not that I could get one at even 7000CDN [which is a relative steal])!!

Yeah I saw it while X-mas shopping (no F'in Deals on the G40 there though, they want more than Retail! Jeez!) I was also looking for a P260 for home (I love the one here at work) and it was still $1000CDN on the 'Friends and Family' (still what I call it) site. Not tempting enough. A Phillips 21" would be about the same for about 1/3 the price.

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a P-650 or Parhelia (most likely a Parhelia)

Why not a P750 which would give you most of the features of a Parhelia just a little cheaper, is there something in particular you need that the P750 doesn't have? Just Curious, I'd take the Parhelia over the P-750 too, but only if I didn't have to pay the difference. :wink:

I agree about dual monitors though. I prefer LCD for text (usually post from home on my old Thinkpad for that reason) and CRT for motion video, and for gaming.

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Anyway, I'm really starting to think about building a second system for productive stuff and leaving this one for gaming (with a better graphics card and only one monitor).

Yeah I find a second system very handy. I can configure it for just what it needs to do. I almost never access the internet on my editing rig (only to register stuff) and leave it as clean as possible for just the task at hand.
Dual monitor is also very handy for editing (tools one window object in other or preview + post).

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Hitman 2 (kinda old, I know--but I love it)

Yeah it's good, just too short IMO. I replay the UN Embassador's level over again from time to time, plus the one running in the snow with the towers.


I don't think you will get anything out of them. Unless you are a BIG contradct ALREADY with them they wouldn't tell you squat and even then I doubt they'd say much other, than, 'Yes, we have something very nice coming out on the horizon'. BTW, 'Pitou' is spelt how P2 sounds, so don't be surprised if that's just a leak name.

It's always hard to plop down so much money for card. That's why I'd like to get small business status for my dabblings, and then I could write off a few things. :wink:

Ahh, and another work day completed. SchweEet!



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January 9, 2004 12:13:18 AM

Drivers will never help the 8500 to catch up to the Ti4200 performance-wise.

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January 9, 2004 12:14:37 AM

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Do I count as 2 people (ie 2 nv fanboys) since I'm a 200 pound dead sexy track guy? Phial can attest to that.


How is it possible that you and Phial are lovers and nobody informed me?

Congratulations!

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a b U Graphics card
January 9, 2004 12:25:26 AM

"My big question now is still if the current Cat 3.10 has improved anything on 8500 yet?
8500 went to beat GF3 and then onto catch Ti4200 ALL cuz of driver!"

What do you mean? Stability or performance? I still have my Radeon 8500 and Ti4200's. I broke the 8500 out a couple weeks ago and the newer Cat drivers and XP Pro seem to be running the 8500 super stable now. If it's a performance thing and you can think of a specific benchmark(s) I'd be happy to try a few benchmarks sometime fairly soon. I wanted to see if it is 100% stable anyway. What drivers and what tests? But judging by the VGA charts III, the Ti4200 is still clearly ahead with the newest drivers being used. Are the Cat 3.1's faster than the 3.9's? If I find the time I'll run a few tests on BBA 8500 64MB, 8500le 128MB, GF4Ti4200 4X 64MB, GF4 Ti4200 4X 128MB for a comparison. But it does seem a bit of a waste of time; ie I'd expect the Ti4200's to be on top on almost any test.


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January 9, 2004 12:49:16 AM

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Yeah Longhorn's an issue, but it's about 2 years away so likely time for another generation between now and then, and simply meeting the R9600Pro's performance level in 3D should cover the LongHOARD basics IMO.

Parhelia is pushing 2 years now...I don't expect Pitou to have another generation after that. Longhorn is also supposedly DX10 reliant, so current cards wouldn't get all the effects. Performancewise I agree that only about the power of a 9600Pro will be needed.

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You would experience some ghosting for sure, rememebr that model is built on older TFT technology and likely has a 25+ms time.

I wouldn't doubt if it were 40ms. Making some so large (both with resolution and physical size) and so fast isn't very cost effective and probably isn't possible with currect technology.

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Why not a P750 which would give you most of the features of a Parhelia just a little cheaper, is there something in particular you need that the P750 doesn't have? Just Curious, I'd take the Parhelia over the P-750 too, but only if I didn't have to pay the difference.

10-bit Gigacolor is sweet. I could also go for the extra pixels with dual displays (though the difference is minimal). I just started saving for a rebuild of this computer (culminating in having two puters, this one w/ a better gaming graphics card and the new one being my "do stuff" rig). As long as I could convince my parents I wouldn't be wasting my time gaming with the new card (easy), they would pay for a chunk of it (maybe all of it if I convinced them that it would help me).

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Yeah it's good, just too short IMO. I replay the UN Embassador's level over again from time to time, plus the one running in the snow with the towers.

Yeah, I did the run and gun method of play in that game...WAY too short. Since then I've tried to get different stealth and aggressiveness ratings (still can't get them both above two thirds) on all the levels--makes the game what it should be, not just aggresiveness or stealth.

Damn...I got a STX, Brine and Warrior to send me prototype pictures over two years ago of lacrosse heads that just came out. They also told me what they were planing on making their next-gen shafts out of. Whether or not that information was available to others I'm not sure. I'll give Matrox a try sometime tomorrow anyway.

If only my business were related to computers at all...I'd write stuff off too. Yargh, gotta think of something to make this upgrade cheaper in the end for me (and my parents--don't want to put this one on their checkbook).

EDIT: Oh yeah, forcing a different refresh rate on my small monitor fixes the distortion at 1280x960 :smile: .

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 01/08/04 09:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
January 9, 2004 12:52:10 AM

I thought your system was stable...

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.
January 9, 2004 1:07:41 AM

Yargh...too many people get sick stable OCs and I get unstable at 136MHz, I hate my motherboard and RAM. I really need to get some new stuff, I'm getting crazed.

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a b U Graphics card
January 9, 2004 1:17:27 AM

Vapor I have a solution for you. I have a few Old Gateway Pentium 133's that will overclock way past 136mhz and the icing on the cake is that they have a Matrox Mystique 2MB PCI video card in them!!!! Make me an offer. :)  (please)

edit: and Western Digital Hard Drives too!

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January 9, 2004 1:22:03 AM

HAHAHA!!! That's great!!! I would, but I'm saving for a system that will actually OC, has a Matrox and outperform my current system...sorry. Shipping would be too much anyway. :frown:

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a b U Graphics card
January 9, 2004 1:34:40 AM

Oh well, lol, I tried. I had about 50 of these systems 3 years ago and am now down to about 10. If you had many of those systems and saw that they have someones favorite brand video cards in them, wouldn't you try to sell them too. Yup, shipping costs have kept them off ebay for well over a year now.

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January 9, 2004 5:10:06 AM

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10-bit Gigacolor is sweet. I could also go for the extra pixels with dual displays (though the difference is minimal)

Actually all three (four including HR256) have Gigacolor, and the slight RES. increase (under VGA connectors only) seems minor to me. However the overall performance is better, so if you need it and the folks are paying for it, sure, why not?

<A HREF="http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/comp_chart/gseries_p..." target="_new">http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/comp_chart/gseries_p...;/A>

I guess there is something to be said for having a 512bit core. :cool:

BTW, I always went with Brine, on Defence I found they had better webing/leather for the baskets which help with long passes. Also, never did find out, you play BOX or Field Lacrosse?


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January 9, 2004 12:42:57 PM

Wow, they really don't mention Gigacolor anywhere around P650 and P750--I guess they want people to buy Parhelia. I agree the increse is res. is small, I'll probably try to check out the monitors I'm looking at at the different resolutions...too bad nobody in NH has 21/22" monitors :frown: .

I guess if I ever wanted to play a game for a short bit the Parhelia would come in handy, but other than that there really is little difference between P750 and Parhelia in 2D other than price. I've gone without WYSIWYG for as long as I've used this computer, so it's not like I would miss it.

I'll see what money I can fineagle out of my folks, probably not much for awhole since they footed the bill of my new HDDs recently and don't want me "mucking with my computer at school."

I played field for about two years and then started playing both (for the same team) for about another two years. Then our goalies moved and I switched from attack to goalie and did not want to play in all those pads for Box...so I started to play only field. We had our first workout last night...so happy the season's starting!

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January 10, 2004 7:27:35 AM

Its a boy with a fan.

Athlon XP 1800+ (1.52ghz) O/Ced.
Gigabyte GA-7VKML
Powercolour R9600pro Bravo @ 480/340
128+256 PC2100 DDR
Maxtor 20gb 7200rpm 2mb+WD 40gb 5400rpm 2mb
Creative SB Live! 5.1 Digital
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