Half-Life 2 Benchmark?

[pauldh]

Sorry to get your hopes up. I don't have any new info.

Anyone know when HL2 benchmark will be released to the public? Not until the game ships?

Ok, not really the right forum for this, but who would care more about the HL2 Benchmark than Video Card Enthusiasts. (well besides gamers who desperately want to know how HL2 will run on their systems).

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[GeneticWeapon]

Hi, my name is Gabe Newell, and I thought I would post here and let you know, that by looking at your spec's, I feel confident in telling you that HL2 <b>will</b> run nicely on your machine.

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[pauldh]

Thanks Gabe!

But I have other systems I want to try it out on, so Can I have the benchmark now???

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[GeneticWeapon]

Sorry, but we never really intended on releasing the benchmark in the alotted timeframe, in fact, our shader day event was nothing more then and ATi sponsored pot-shot to publicly humiliate nVidia, and show the enthusiaste community that FX cards are sorry-ass when it comes to <b>real</b> DirectX 9 rendering.

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[coolsquirtle]

Hi I'm John Carmack, u see because i don't want HL2 to release before Doom 3 so I've decided to give Gabe one of my Ferraris so that he would delay the release.

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[petrolhead2003]

The benchmarking of HL2 was such a joke,at nvidia's expense.
On just about all other benchmarks the top cards from ati and nvidia are pretty much on par with each other,why should HL2 be any different?

It was just a publicity stunt by ati,nothing more.

Why do they need publicity stunt's to sell their cards.

HL2 has optimised code for both Ati and Nvidia cards,in congunction with drivers from ati,nvidia etc.It appears that the nvidia drivers,written specifically for HL2 were not used and Nvidia have released a statement,showing their dismay that these were not used,they were available but not used!

 

[GeneticWeapon]

They werent used because they fcking cheated, and didnt display everything they were supposed to. You are deffinately not seeing the whole picture here.

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[Vimp]

My take on it was that ATI cards beat the snot out of the Nvidia cards in the tests when in full DirectX9 mode. However how well would the Nvidia card run in non-full DirectX 9 mode? If it ran pretty much just as good as ATI then the question would be if there is any noticeable differnce in visual quality between them? If not then it makes little sense to over emphasize that the ATI cards do better in full DX9 mode if the Nvidia cards can do just as well in non-full DX9 mode and still look the same. This is what we need to see from benchmarks. I could care less that the Nvidia cards can't run in full DX9 mode as well as ATI if the visual looks just as good and they perform the same when the Nvidia runs in some alternet mode.

 

[endyen]

It's the end of summer /04. You friend returns from japan with this great new game. It's based on Gabe's little engine that could. You play it on his computer and it's the best. He bought a copy for you, so you run it home to load it. Because nvidia has not set up for it, it looks the shits on your rig. Who cares if nvidia uses Directx 9?

 

[pauldh]

I disagree. I think it showed just how lousy Nvidia's hardware/drivers at that time were for full DX9 games. I am sure they are better off now and hope to see the benchmarking of the final game work well on NVidia FX cards too. In my opinion it was a wake up call for NVidia to get cracking and not an ATI Publicity stunt.

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[petrolhead2003]

The HL2 benchmark WAS done with old,outdated drivers.The newer driver WERE AVAILABLE.
The benchmarks were done on a day that was sponsored by ATI.
Are you that stupid to believe that the test's were fairly done????


In response to GENETIC's reply.
How could Nvidia cheat???
The new drivers were not used and no comment was made about the newer drivers.
Are you seeing things that are not there?

When HL2 is released and i find that my 5900 is unable to run this game at a good level i'll be the first to knock nvidia.

 

[pauldh]

Actually before calling people stupid, why not check your facts. They used the latest official drivers available at that time. How many reviews do you see published that use beta drivers compare to the latest official releases? Not to mention the new upcoming betas had major image quality problems. The world couldn't stop and wait for NVidia to work out is driver problems. Valve didn't only focus on optimizing their game for ATI harware you know. They aren't that stupid. It's just alot easier on the ATI hardware.

quote from Tom's Hardware Sept 11,2003 article.
"Facing the low performance results of the NVIDIA products, Valve decided to develop a so called "Mixed Mode" code path for NV3x cards. In this code path the floating point precision is reduced to 16-bit instead of 32-bit wherever it was possible without reducing image quality. Valve stated that the development of that special code path took 5 times the development time of the standard DX9 code path. Special optimizations for ATI cards were not nescesarry. "



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[pauldh]

By the time HL2 comes out I think you'll be just fine( a 5600 owner might need to worry) but if it had come out on time, you would have had low framerates, missing lighting, and pitiful Aniso quality. Look at the review of Aquamark 3 on Toms Hardware and you'll see just how great those magic Det 50 beta's were. faster yes, but at what expense?

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[endyen]

Gabe was the one who was after nvidia. He was pissed because his wonderful new Dx9 engine was not supported by nvidia's cards.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

Gabe was the one who was after nvidia. He was pissed because his wonderful new Dx9 engine was not supported by nvidia's cards.

Fact's only please...I dont know how you formed this oppinion, but it's not true, and doesnt make any sense.


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[GeneticWeapon]

How could Nvidia cheat???
The new drivers were not used and no comment was made about the newer drivers.
Are you seeing things that are not there?

<b>nVidiot Alert!</b> :lol:
Valve tried the drivers before the shader day event, and found a bunch of cheats in them. You need to go back and read the <b>many</b> different articles that were posted on the web about this.


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[coolsquirtle]

where? where?



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[GeneticWeapon]

petrolhead2003

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[petrolhead2003]

GW is obviously an ATI worshipper.

All he can do is talk about the 'bogus'benchmarks.

And why were Nvidia bemused as to why their new drivers were not used?
This is fact and was in a press release.

People need to talk facts not fiction.

 

[coolsquirtle]

just let it go dude, its the past , LOOKIE AHEAD!!!

GW was a fanAtic (an extreme one) then he went nVidia and then nVidia and then ATi. He has his reasons to like one side and chances are u dont have the knowledge in Graphics to argue with him about that.
on the other hand as the resident nVboy

DIE ATI DIE!!!!

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[GeneticWeapon]

:lol:

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

The HL2 benchmark WAS done with old,outdated drivers.The newer driver WERE AVAILABLE.

No they weren't. Read any review of the issue. nV wanted to provide 'special' drivers for the test that weren't WHQL certified and weren't availible from their site.

And if you see <A HREF="http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030918/aquamark-09.html" target="_new">Lars' review of those very same drivers</A> you'd see that they have SERIOUS issues, which weren't fixed until LATER versions. The ones nV wanted Valve to use NEVER got WHQL certification. Valve also mentioned that they didn't render the scenes correctly.

The 53.03 are very good drivers and do things the way they are supposed to. The ones nV offered at the time don't. nV tried to rush the forcewares out there, and failed to provide solid enough drivers, it's their fault, not valve's.

The new drivers were not used and no comment was made about the newer drivers.

Actually they were used, by alot of review sites (including the nV friendly Anadtech) after the fact with the leaked version, and the same results occured with tons of visual errors. Even with the latest 53.03 they don't perform as well as ATI cards, but at least they do display what they are supposed to for a change.

Watch who you call stupid too, since you're not proving your intelligence by ignoring alot of the facts that are out there and are History to most of us.


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

LOL!

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