Why are all the Intel lovers such JERKS?

They are rude and obnoxious in debates and when a newbie AMD user has a problem they just taunt them and tell them to buy Intel. To name a few, Fugger, Raystonn, Rdram, Spudmuffin, they are all jerks. To a lesser degree, Tonestar is not that bad. The only Intel person that I have a shread of respect for is AMDMeltdown. Atleast he debates like a civilized adult, and not like some childish antics of certain muffins...

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We have a list for all the jerks and morons in the other/other section. Just ignore anyone on that list. Nominate anyone you feel deserves to be on there......

THE LIST...

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"To a lesser degree, Tonestar is not that bad."

Thank you for your wonderfull words of affection. For a minute there I thought you were falling in love with me. I try and look at the big picture when I enter the debate in regards to Intel vs AMD war. I find it quite strange however that people in this forum never speak much about what software they use. It's rather funny to watch 2 people debate about the latest technology...and then when you ask them what software they use (there actual needs) they say something like..."Oh...umm....well I surf the net"...and..."well ...umm my grandparents in Ireland send me an email every month"...that is why sometimes I find it difficult to come up with a sincere response and resort to humour. Then there are those who quote false links like m kelder. You spend time sorting through thier garbage to see if they actually have any facts....it soon becomes obvious they are blatant liars....thats when I resort to anger. Between all that and those that pretend they have more knowledge than they have you may actually find some info you can use. Intel patriots have a deep loathing for AMD fanatics because some (not all...so don't bombard me with posts) will resort to blatant lying and false information when faced with well known and conflicting facts to their "opinions". There are things about Intel cpu's that are simply wonderful and critical to some people. Like there multiprocessor platforms. For me, in my work (mechanical engineer) that means everything. Until a single AMD unit can beat dual or quad Intels in CAD software....I will have no other choice. What can AMD offer people like me? Nothing but dissapointment. And what about the thousands of posts regarding AMD probs at this forum? I bet alot of those people are in their miserable situations because they were influenced by the AMD fanatics in this forum. Neither TimF or namgorf seem to have a solution to their problems yet either.

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Good post - my only disagreement-

<<And what about the thousands of posts regarding AMD probs at this forum? I bet alot of those people are in their miserable situations because they were influenced by the AMD fanatics in this forum. Neither TimF or namgorf seem to have a solution to their problems yet either>>

I think TimF still has a working option - to re-install. This is not, I feel, due to a change in processor, but a change in chipsets. I don't actually mean I think VIA sucks - they just work differently. I think TimF was misguided (whether by himself or a bad post I do not know) in expecting to be able to do this kind of a swap without re-installing.

I would personally think there are a number of contributing factors to # of AMD trouble posts in the forum. It is my speculation only - so if anyone has a fair way of working it out one way or another - I'm all ears.

There are a high number of AMD related posts here because there are a higher number home build users using AMD - that frequent this site at least. The majority of pre-manufactured systems shipped (even if we discount corporate sales) will be Intel. Those Intel sales are based on admirably stable proven platforms (for the most part) with warranty and dealer recourse. Short of totally hacking it up, they're hard to break, unless you screw the OS, in which case you'll likely blame Microsoft or the software manufacturer.

Right now I think a lot of (self build) people see a benefit for low and high (not SMP) solutions using AMD - their low end cpus are really cheap for the true budget user who wants to self build and the higher end systems scale further and faster for the single cpu crowd. (I know people will shout P4 at me, but I think the majority of people are still on the fence about P4 and are either waiting for enough people to have bought them (and for them to be proven with a cost effective memory solution - or will wait for the AMD response). There is a large middle ground that don't want cutting edge, they want brand name and safety in numbers. Brand name they associate with stability and track record in Intel. They pay for it, and often get it. Of course Intel has had its embarrassments too. I know I have to do a couple of special things to get my AMD/Via KT133A running optimally. I know that there are certain things you should and shouldn't do - with ANY system. I know that because I researched before I bought - I felt I had a good enough knowledge to do it, and I considered the whole thing a 'fun' project.

For those that leap into the unknown with $1,000 - $2,000 of unassembled hardware in a heap in front of them, I'd say they are brave, or the time and money don't matter to you.

If you know nothing about stereo systems, are you going to go out and buy $2000 in cones, speaker cabinets, cases, connectors, d2a converters etc. and expect to build a better stereo than those nice people at Sony, or whatever? Okay, you read a little on some (relatively) un-moderated message boards from total strangers and you now feel qualified?

Now those statements were totally subjective, and I expect people will disagree with some/all of it - but that would be my take. I'd really like some independent way for us to work that out for real.


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I don't think examining the past 5 years will yield very good results for AMD. Prior to the Athlon, all they had was the K6-2, which we all know blew chunks.

Anyhow, my point. Yes, AMD users tend to have more problems than Intel mainly because of that fact that they are rather unexperienced with the technology (I argue).
Having built both Intel and AMD systems, I can speak from both sides. When I built my Intel box, I just plugged everything in and powered up. Didn't have to touch the bios, everything worked as expected. However, when I got my AMD box, after putting it together and powering it up, I had to go into my bios and change some things for it work properly. On top of that, special drivers needed to be
installed for the VIA chipsets as Windows doesn't recognize them properly. I believe that it is because of these types of issues that most users find themselves frustrated. But I contend that if you read the manual and do your research carefully, you should be ok.

As for incompatibilities between other periphials and AMD chipsets, well.. all I can say is that its not limited to the VIA chipsets themselves. I had problems with an 440LX board and a Riva TNT card.

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Well, I'm not sure.

What I was trying to do was capture self build systems vs. all systems.

I do not doubt that there are a lot lot more Intel systems out there, but the huge percentage percentage of those are pre-built.

If we sort out the pre-built PCs and look at the self build PCs in this forum what are the percentages then I wonder? I don't have the answer, but I just get the feeling that the balance lies with AMD for self build users in this community. Like you say, I do not have any empirical evidence to back that up, any more than is available to contradict it either.

I might venture that Intel systems are harder to get wrong when you build them - and so are more suited for less experienced builders. (Before I get shot - please note this is not the same as saying all Intel system builders are inexperienced.) This is not immediately anything to do with something being wrong with AMDs, it's just that you need to know what you are doing, and unfortunately some people jump in without really knowing. Sometimes experience is gained painfully.

Some people make the choice that they want Intel, because they don't want the hasle of follwing the AMD instructions. They know the Intel way and are probably pretty good at putting them together - kudos to them. Me - I wanted performance. I decided that the gain of dual PIII 1Gs over what I can build with AMD would be nil (for me - my choice) and that the PIII dual setup would also cost me a lot more for little or no expandability.

You know what - if someone wants to take a crack at building their own PC for the first time, then good luck to them. Intel or AMD, they'll be in for learning a lot and they'll probably need to start over a coiuple of times before they get it right. Over time they'll learn more about what they are doing and will get better.

Maybe AMDs shouldn't be for novice builders? Who can say. Systems don't exactly come with start to finish instructions, so you need a fair idea of what you are doing. And to those that try to convert from Intel to AMD and make a hash of it - ask yourselves this - the systems are not the same, you need to do a few different things here and there. Does it make it bad? Not really. Can you get out from under the hood of your Mercedes and go to work on your BMW doing things exactly the same way - of course not. Basically they are the same thing doing the same function in slightly different ways. They are not built identical or laid out the same, but they both have an engine, fuel tank, steering wheel etc. etc.

That's my .02c

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email for application details<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by peteb on 04/19/01 10:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

Your reference to pre-built and self built PC's is an intersting one.

"I don't have the answer, but I just get the feeling that the balance lies with AMD for self build users in this community. Like you say, I do not have any empirical evidence to back that up, any more than is available to contradict it either."

Your analogy of the Mercedes and the BMW is an interesting one:

"Can you get out from under the hood of your Mercedes and go to work on your BMW doing things exactly the same way - of course not"

Well here is my analogy: "I wear pants as my father wore pants as his father did as my great grandfather did like all his ancestors before him"...I could go on to say...."Most men around the world wear pants...except the scottish perhaps...and for this they suffer as everytime they are confronted with Intel power a cold gust of wind rushes up their skirts to freeze their tiny nuts...that have forever been warming over an overheated AMD cpu...."

I could go on....

"There are more Intel self builders because there have always been more Intel self builders to start with."

My point?

Analogies are bullshit. You are an ingnorant AMD prostitute parading as an objective expert. Wear a condom when your mother calls you into her bedroom next time, because AMD won't give you any protection!!


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whoa, thanks man, I always try to keep it real with the ppl.

also, give props to Raystonn he's somewhat more civilized than me.

"Amd cpu...Gone in 2 secs flat, it truly is a fast chip!"

Im not a jerk. I just buy intel processors cause really i dont need much. 40fps, loads office fast, Doesn't really crash. Guess what my p3 733 will last for a while. Besides i'm waiting for northwood p4. Cuz i just feel like it.

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I think tonestar exemplifies the subject of this post perfectly!

Cya


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I had a bad experience with an old hp with an intel celeron processor. It was 400mhz and ran on a 66mhz fsb. It would crash all the time. Had trouble upgrading the memory. Lets just say I had a lot of problems with it. When I acquired enough knowledge to build my own I decided to go with a Tbird because I heard(especially from the folks here) that it was a good performer. I guess its because of that one experience that has turned me off to Intel. My AMD works for me and that all I care about. Thats why I dont get into heated debates over Intel vs. AMD.

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Finally, a reasonable post in a long war of flames, thanks for your post.

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I think Intel and AMD both suck.

If yer not running PA-RISC or Alpha, yer wasting your time.

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