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March 29, 2004 9:36:38 PM

WOOT! i got farcry..... lolz
i'll review it when i play enough :D 

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March 30, 2004 3:27:44 AM

Yeah, I just picked it up tonight but was hoping to check some user reviews before opening it. Any known issues with the game? I'm being lazy. I'll search it out some tomorrow. I was curious as to how the multiplayer is and whether AA/AF is possible now. Definately looking forward to having the time tomorrow night to try it out.

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March 30, 2004 3:32:57 AM

I love Far Cry, at least the first few levels I've played, albeit the gameplay innovation is definitely lacking in some departments... However, I have a complaint- I think the game is a little bit TOO hard on the computer. This is my system:

A7N8X Deluxe Rev. 2
Athlon 2500+
Corsair XMS PC2700 Low-Latency 2x256
Seagate SATA 80Gb
ATi Radeon 9800 Pro

It seems like it's a little bit early in the competition for developers to release games that put THAT much stress on the system... I am pretty sure that Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 will run smoothly on my system. I can't help but feel suspicious that Far Cry was not, for all its next-generation ornaments, programmed well, i.e., optimised for end-users. The performance of the game is really inconsistent as far as loading times and inconsistent framerates- sometimes they are high where they would seem low, and vice versa... does anybody else notice this???
March 30, 2004 4:14:45 AM

it is a very demanding game, you cant expect to run it at high resolutions. 800x600 at full quality runs fine on a good rig.

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March 30, 2004 5:14:03 AM

not at full quality man.

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March 30, 2004 5:32:30 AM

800x600 EEEEWWWWWW!

800x600 and Full quality don't seem to go together IMO. What's the point? I'd drop a few settings to high and play 1024x768.

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March 30, 2004 5:35:56 AM

Once I get it installed, I'll play some levels with fraps pro running.

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March 30, 2004 9:53:33 AM

I've got it myself, and it runs quite playably (although not quite as smooth as I'd like in some parts) with everything cranked up to max/ultra details, with no AA or anything.

I mean, <i>look</i> at the game. It's the first engine I've seen that can even begin to cope with some of the environments it puts you in, with such huge open spaces. It's the first game to <i>really</i> do sniping justice. frankly I'm amazed they could get something that looks this good running on todays hardware anyway.

<i>Plus</i>, it was playable on a Duron 1.4Ghz with 256Mb of RAM and a geforce 32Mb DDR card (yup, a geforce <b>1</b>!), with lower details, which tells me the engine is actually very scalable, and therefore quite well written really. granted it didn't look anything like as nice as the newer cards, but it still looked ok.

don't forget this is a next-gen engine that will be powering games for a few years. by the end of it's (the engine that is) lifetime your rig will be distinctly mid-range or maybe even low-mid range.

How many levels are there? I think I'm on level 5 or so... It's all been good fun so far. Best game I've played in a while.

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March 30, 2004 9:58:23 AM

Quote:

I love Far Cry, at least the first few levels I've played, albeit the gameplay innovation is definitely lacking in some departments... However, I have a complaint- I think the game is a little bit TOO hard on the computer.

I agree. I'm at the bunker research leved now (I never play a game continuously, got it on March 24). Actually I think the amount of freedom you have in going through the levels (this is where the AI comes in as there is not a lot of scripted actions involved) is rather innovative. It's one of those games of which I really enjoy the single player mode a lot.

Indeed the game is rather demanding. My specs are a lot worse than yours (1800+, 512Mb, 9600XT on 4xAGP) but I still try to play at 1024x768 which goes reasonably well if you downtune some of the settings, however I do notice some strange hickups which seem the result of some non-optimal programming as far as I can tell. Although it may have to do with my unwillingness to downtune all settings (i still have the environment quality on high, for instance).

After (re)loading a level firing my weapon for the first time is a standard moment where there seems some loading or effect going on that gives me a temporary framerate of 3 (doesnt last longer than a second though). After that no problem.


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March 30, 2004 2:38:21 PM

It runs fine on my pc at 1280x768 with everything very high (the higest settings) albeit with no AA/AF

Athlon XP 2800+
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128mb ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
WD 80GB SE 7,200rpm
March 30, 2004 3:35:02 PM

Okay, so we know that the min specs state 1ghz p3 or Athlon, 64mb GF and 256mb ram, but realistically, how well is it likely to run on my system?

Athlon XP 2000+
512mb ddr 2700 ram
GeForce 4 MX 440
XP Pro SP1

Now I know the gfx card is a bit wank, but it runs UT2004 beautifully. So, what are my chances of 1024x768 mid settings?

XP2000, 512 ddr 2700ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
March 30, 2004 3:57:07 PM

It'll probably run ok, although it won't look anything like as pretty as it would on something with PS/VS capability.

As I said, it was <i>playable</i>, although not fantastic, on a 1.4Ghz Duron with 256Mb PC2100 and a 32Mb Geforce1 card.

I think you might be ok with 1024x768 mid-low settings.

Best I could suggest is to try the demo. I think it's on the cover discs of the latest PC Gamer magazine if you live in the UK, and with turns of phrase like 'a bit wank' you sound it.... :smile: ...

Just checked your BIO - yup, you are...

If you have broadband you could download it (the demo). it's about 500Mb though.

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March 30, 2004 4:09:00 PM

i used to have a gf4 ti4200 and could run it at 1024x768 on medium settings and it was completly smooth so you should be fine.

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March 30, 2004 4:18:33 PM

Chip Death, nice guess :) 

Yeah, might have to check out the demo - I really hate file planet, and its the only place grrr. I hate that you have to wait 40 mins for a 500mb download to start, unless you give them all your money.

I need to upgrade this gfx card, but as yet I can't afford to :|

XP2000, 512 ddr 2700ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
March 30, 2004 5:32:22 PM

FC runs fine on my rig max details 1024x768 with 2xAA and 8xAF. 16xAF is too much though and the framerate drops into the high 20's. This is on an athlon 3200 @ 2.3ghz, 9700pro @ 9800p and 1gb OCZ ram 2-3-2-5....

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March 30, 2004 5:32:32 PM

[de niro voice]You! You, you're very good, you![/de niro voice]

Okay, it worked better in my head ;)  Cheers tho!

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March 30, 2004 8:11:04 PM

It is a great game and worth getting, loads better then Halo as i was really disapointed with that its not JUST the visuals it has fantastic AI as well. In my opinion its a must have!

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March 30, 2004 10:05:06 PM

Halo and Metal Gear Solid 2 are example of console ports gone bad while the original Metal Gear Solid was ported wonderfully. I guess they were just too reliant on specialized hardware/instructions.

Far Cry runs pretty good on my system. I think it definitely want's 1GB of system ram to really be smooth though. The lag where you fire after you reload your save point is really annoying. That's just got to be a bug. I'm sure it will be addressed in the next patch. Heh, 28mb patch available at the launch date. Tsk tsk. Still, beautiful.

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March 30, 2004 11:17:58 PM

on a little side note: ive tried to install the demo twice, but in both cases it automatically tries to install to the C: drive, which i dont have ( i have F: ). any way to get around this? or does anyone have a link to a demo that doesnt do this?


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March 31, 2004 12:34:42 AM

That loading thing that happens when you first fire a weapon is definitely an example of poor programming- you spend several minutes sneaking up on two guys, you aim, you fire, and then *k-k-k-k-k-k-k* the HD starts reading, the FPS drops to 3, and when you finally recover, one dude is already behind a corner and the other one is ducking. I also noticed the FPS drop severely in the time between when you face one end of the hallway and turn to face the other, if that makes any sense :)  ; the peculiar thing is that the game is only rendering a few surfaces, yet the frames become very choppy.

I've found that "Very High" detail settings at 1024x768 are overall fair on the 9800 Pro as long as AA/AF settings are both turned down (although anti-aliasing really helps clean up the image quality when there is lots of vegetation on-screen...) I've also noticed that turning the settings down to "High" doesn't improve the FPS that much, probably have to lower it to "Medium", or turn off AA/AF to really improve performance. This game is a beast.
March 31, 2004 1:51:59 AM

keep on waiting, i have so much school work lolz...i think i'll play this weekend.....unless someone wants to do my flash project? hahahahahahahaha

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March 31, 2004 2:44:05 AM

I can wait. I have plenty of spare time. :smile:
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March 31, 2004 3:11:49 AM

I haven't had a chance to install it as i spent time here jabbering instead tonight. I found on the demo, Xp2500+ @ 3200+, 512MB PC3200, Overclocked GF4Ti4200, that 1024x768 medium was a bit too choppy to really enjoy. Of course I had been playing it on a R9800 pro before that, so maybe i got spoiled.

That said, i don't think the GF4MX (mentioned earlier) has a chance at 1024x768 medium settings. Not at real enjoyable fps/smoothness. I'd say 8x6 med/low on that GF4MX.



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March 31, 2004 3:40:35 AM

there! u can do my english hw then!!

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March 31, 2004 8:46:36 AM

No! Paulh, say it so! Well i'm going to download it as soon as i get my pc back (new case woo!) so will let you all know how it runs around the 4th, maybe a little earlier. Thing is, I know everyone says the gf4 mx440 is shite, but its not that bad really - I don't mind turning the detail down, as long as i run at 1024, cos 8x6 is too old school for me. I havent used it since the old 350mhz p2 days, and when i bought my pc 2 years ago, i vowed never to get to the point where i would need 8x6. Looks like a 9600xt is on the cards when i can scrape the cash together.

XP2000, 512 ddr 2700ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
March 31, 2004 9:45:23 AM

don't forget a Ti4200 has VS/PS capability, so the game will go down that codepath which may be a lot more taxing on the poor ol' Ti4200 than it's comfortable with.

So it might run a lot better on the MX than you think, as it's simply not bothering with the shader stuff - it's DX7 class hardware really. nowhere near as pretty though, of course.

I hate playing at a res less than 1024x768 myself. I remember first time I played half-life was at 400x300, using software rendering :eek:  ... That's just totally unacceptable to my eyeballs these days.

how much cash you got available? My 9800Pro was only about £160 shipped. and this game sure looks sweet on it :smile:

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March 31, 2004 10:04:41 AM

Well right now, no money :)  Student, waiting for the lloan to come thru :) 

Realistically, I wont be in a position to buy before these new R420s or NV40s come out, so the 9800 pro may be a possibility by then. If yoou don't mind me asking, where did you find a 9800p for #160? :o 

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March 31, 2004 10:56:48 AM

I think I bought it from <A HREF="http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/product.php?product..." target="_new">here</A>..

I was a bit wary at first, as it's the 'Lite' version, and I've heard plenty about some manufacturers shipping cards with the core @ 9800Pro speeds but the memory clocked very low, but after some research it seemed that with Sapphire the 'Lite' is simply referring to the included software bundle - you get a drive disk and sod all else (fine by me! they always include crap old games anyway!), and as my sig attests, it's quite happily running at well beyond XT speed now, so it certainly seems to be a PRO to me!

I've bought quite a lot of stuff from that site, and not had any problems as of yet.

Of course the 980Pros might drop a bit more on release of the next gen cards, but £160 is already very cheap, so I don't know if any cards will drop below that price.

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March 31, 2004 12:41:59 PM

I finished mine many moons ago.
March 31, 2004 12:43:47 PM

My TI4200 has no problems playing demo at 1024x768.
March 31, 2004 1:26:27 PM

I just had a look around, and overclockers.co.uk has it for similar price, 155 i think. I'm gonna keep my eye on this one, it looks a great deal.

XP2000, 512 ddr 2700ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
March 31, 2004 1:49:25 PM

Never owned a Ti4200. it was OK on my 4600 (though not <i>quite</i> as smooth as I'd like). I was just responding to someone saying it wasn't that good on their 4200 so would be awful on the Gf4 MX.

It's just I've played it on a geforce1, and it wasn't that pretty, but had a playable framerate.

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March 31, 2004 1:56:09 PM

I bought stuff from overclocker<b>s</b>.co.uk in the past, but when I sent them a query regarding an issue I was having placing an order, the guy's response was something like:
"huh? no-one else has said anything, the problem must be yours."
Which was more than unhelpful enough for me. I was going to spend something like £100 with them that time, and I'd already spent something like £700 in the past, but that attitude suggested they didn't want my money, and I went elsewhere and haven't bothered buying anything from them since.

There's so many websites to buy stuff from that customer service should really be more of a priority, if you ask me.

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March 31, 2004 2:38:36 PM

Well, I will try to download the demo tonight. My system is currently a regular GF3 (can go Ti500 levels), 512 PC3200, Epox 8KHA+ and Barton XP at 1666Mhz (133*12.5 but if necesary I can overclock to 2GHz 150*13,5)

At least this weekend I will play a couple of hours and I will tell you the result ... I don't expect a lot :( 


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March 31, 2004 2:41:02 PM

True enough. I used to swear by novatech.co.uk, but now they've messed up a couple of my orders, and a mate's pc, when they gave him a lot of trouble before even admitting the problem was their fault, and took weeks to sort it out. These days I mainly shop at watford.co.uk - its pretty cheap and really quick delivery, so no complaints.

I'm thinking that a computer fair might be a good plan to find an intermediate card, possibly a 4200 or 4600 Ti, as they seem absolutely rock solid.

XP2000, 512 ddr 2700ram, GF4 MX440, XP Pro
March 31, 2004 3:27:13 PM

Yeah my 4600 served me well. The sad thing of course is that it was top of the line when I bought it, so cost about £300, IIRC.. I'm not paying that much for a card again.

I only got rid of it because it just wasn't smooth in Deus Ex:IW. All those bitching about Far Cry's performance should try that - Far cry is IMO graphically far superior to DX:IW, but actually runs much better on a GF4 Ti card..

never heard of watford.co.uk. I'll check them out, thanks.

Mainly I buy from:
overclock.co.uk
komplett.co.uk
and good old dabs.com is always ok.

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April 1, 2004 12:28:04 AM

I didn't consider the Ti4200 might be working harder rendinering more. Sure, fraps shows a decent average fps at 1024x768 med on my OC'ed Ti4200, but it isn't at all what i'd consider smooth. The low spots are low, the highs are high. I tried it a bunch and really found farcry a letdown on my Ti4200. If I hadn't been playing it on a R9800 Pro alot before that, Maybe I'd be thrilled with the Ti4200's farcry look/speed. But the differences are huge IMO.

I also can't imagine reverting back to 800x600 as honestly I like 1280x1024 like my desktop. But I can handle turning things down to 1024x768 if need be.

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April 1, 2004 12:29:05 AM

Well, I'm off to install and enjoy the retail game now. :smile:


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April 1, 2004 1:29:27 AM

Just cracked open the box, this thing has 5 install discs. Don't remember seeing that. Now I can tell my wife it was a steal at only $8 a CD.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
April 1, 2004 1:59:52 AM

lolz....it was 49.99 CAD.... same as Unreal 2k4.....i had to make a choice..........

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April 1, 2004 3:09:30 AM

I am totally impressed so far. The game chose 1024x768/ medium on a 2.4GHz OCed mobile XP2500+ and a 400/360 radeon 9800 Pro. I was a bit ticked at that. I then remembered I had the ATI drivers set for 2X/8X AA/AF. I changed them to blend defaults, reconfigured and auto detect still picked the same settings. But I swalled my pride and kept it there; Also used FRAPs while playing. Game looked beatiful and framerates never dropped below 65. Probably averaged over 100fps easily, and was even close to 200 at times. Definately need to adjust the settings for a bit more visual droolness.

Ah, is it me or does this play smoother than the demo? I seriously didn't have 1 hickup in the 45 minutes I played. Honestly not once. wow? Either it's the retail game or the fact I now have 1GB of Ram instead of the 512MB I ran the demo with. But I did run the demo at 1024 high most of the time, so I'll have to do more testing once I boost the details.



Anyway, I'm very pleased so far. Back where you first get the gun, I found it alot of fun just seeing what you can do in it. Like knocking over shelves and standing them up again. or shaking the shelves and watching soda cans drop to the floor with a realistic sound too. Just like the demo, but even better so far. Much smoother too. I'll be curious to try it on a 512MB ram system to see if there is a difference.

Anyone read the faq. Them there are some steep system recomendations/requirements.


ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
April 1, 2004 8:30:47 AM

It's your gig of ram. High quality with only 512 megs of ram is just ridiculous. I know this because I bought an extra 512 megs just to get rid of all that pausing.

You can check for yourself by running task manager while playing. With 512 megs on very high quality, I had 10 megs free. With 1GB, I have about 250 megs free...thats nearly 800 megs of ram the game is using!
April 1, 2004 10:50:20 AM

I have 512Mb of RAM myself, and it's fine. A bit of chugging the first time you're on a level, but after that it's fine.

I think the main reason is that I'm still running 98SE, which has a MUCH smaller RAM footprint than XP does, so I've probably got a good 100Mb extra compared to if I was running XP.

I would like to get 1Gb, but then I'd need to get XP and go through all the pain of re-installing everything :eek:  and I just can't be arsed at the moment.

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April 1, 2004 1:22:02 PM

Thanks for the answer. that will be fun to try. Amazing what the suggested cpu/ram/GPU is for that game. It sure is worth it though.

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