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This post is currently hot stuff at Overclockers.

Sorry if its been posted already :)


http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15169


IF PEOPLE - read the ATi fanboyz who bothered to flame us - thought we were overconfident in this article, estimating the huge performance jump Nvidia were going to make when introducing its sixteen pipeline NV40, then they're going to have to think again.
Numerous sources have confirmed that a Futuremark 3DMark 2003 score of12,535 has apparently been demonstrated by Nvidia on its pre-production engineering samples.

To put this in perspective, this story is brought to you by a tweaked AMD Athlon 64 FX system based on a Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP-940 mainboard with 1GB of Corsair XMS DDR, and is equipped with the current king of 3D gaming cards, an ATI Radeon 9800XT. This rock steady, real-world system benches a strong 7382 under 3DMark 2003 Build 340 at default settings, and indeed anything that can deliver a score over 7000 is pretty rapid.

Squatting on top of Futuremark's Top 20 'Hall of Fame'ous willy wavers is a heavily overclocked 4.5GHz P4 – seeming to need freezing to -85ºC to attain this frequency - with a well overclocked ATi Radeon 9800XT. This system, apparently, marks up a score of 10,008.

So, if what we're hearing about Nvidia's NV40 is true, then its sixth generation desktop 3D graphics accelerator is shaping up to be mighty.

Of course we can hear the critics cry "how come the last Futuremark 'Approved Drivers' to be used with Build 340 of 3DMark03 with Nvidia 3D accelerators are the ageing version ForceWare 52.16?"

That's a good question as these were released way back in October 2003, and the current Nvidia Forceware 56.72 was released just last week on April 1st., and the fourth driver release since the 52.16's which Futuremark have not approved for 3DMark03.

And we agree – this does cast some doubts on the validity of any 3DMark03 score achieved with any later Nvidia device driver, but today's news sure is more than interesting.

In back rooms at the CeBIT Messe, we heard talk of 3DMark03 scores of "over 10,000 3DMarks" for both ATI's R420 and Nvidia's NV40 but, for various reasons, we weren't particularly confident in our source. However, in light of today's news, we'll mention that that same source said that the ATI R420 was somewhat slower, though "not by much".

Sources close to ATI have said that a score of 10,000 3DMarks for ATi R420 "would be a dream", indicating that R420 Revision: CeBIT 2K4 wasn't pulling this level of numbers.

Perhaps we should all now be expecting briefings by Nvidia's competitors that 3DMark03 isn't now a valid indicator of 3D graphics performance?
 

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Everything right now is either pure BS or hearsay. Dont believe it till the retail model is out. Dont get yourself all worked up for nothing.

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Yeah, it's been posted already.

The NV40 might be the best thing since the cat's ass, but until we have cards... both NV40s and R420s in reviewers hands it's all heresy and BS. Who knows, the R420 might get 13,000 3dmarks?

Until then, you're just re-hashing marketing garbage, dude. We've seen it all before...

Do I have to remind you of the GeforceFX 5800 debacle?

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The 5800 Debacle is Excatly why its not gonna be BS.
:)
Anywayz sorry for reposting.


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Oldskool on 04/06/04 05:29 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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remember how nV cheated in 3dmark03 originally? remember how they said the 5800u was twice as fast as the 9700pro (when in reality it was less htan half the speed when rendering shaders)



ill believe it when i see it, not that i dismiss the possibility but really nVidias strongest point right now is its marketing department

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The prototypes will always differ from the pratical retail model. Just dont get mad when you still cannot break the 20k mark barrier with either one. Who know how these chips will work with the system we use.

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<A HREF="http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27002" target="_new"> heres what the nvidia fans think of that artical</A>


even THEY are taking it with a huge grain of salt


again, dont believe anything until the products have been released and people have had time to do personal benchmarking , not just the review sites

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You're all a bunch of Freaks!

nV BLOWS! ATI SUX!

Kneel Before the TRUE GOD (no not XGI you Idiots!), No wonder they had to switch from ATX to the wider BTX!;

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phial

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hahahahh a oh man thats so old school

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i pulled the heatsink off my Voodoo5 5500AGP earlier today for the hell of it and man that is a HUGE ass core..


the card is half the size of my freaking motherboard!


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phial

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oh my god oh my


i didnt even realize teh thread authors name was "Oldskool"



we have just entered the twilight zone

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phial

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yes theres something funny going on


did you just see that or was it the brownies?

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Well I saw you write it and found it funny, yes considering the title.

I thought it was an intentional pun, that it was accidental makes it even funnier.


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phial

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seriously man, i had no idea the authors name was oldschool!


im going insane here


ok enough wine for me
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3DMark03 may already be outdated when considered for benchmarking the new 1st-generation hardware; I'd be more interested if they could make a benchmark for next-gen graphics. Maybe they could have the Unreal guys do a benchmark with their new engine. Also there is the price/performance ratio- what if the NV40 was consistently faster in most programs, but it cost $499, and the ATi X800 cost $350? I'd rather go with the overall bang-for-the-buck.
 

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Plus there's improvements in the drivers- this is new architecture. Look at all the quality issues that nVidia had when they were making the transition to Forceware drivers
 

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Seems premature to dicide on one or the other, considering neither is out yet....

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