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When Will We Have A HD Mp3 Worth Buying?

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September 15, 2005 2:11:12 PM

I'm portable music junkie.
I "would" like to use them all the time when i'm on the move. if i'm at the gym, walking down the street, skiing, in the car, on the bus/plane.

why is there nothing that can satisfy this need? why are all the players out there so full of bugs?
why are the companies so out of touch with the market and why is it so hard for consumers to get something of quality?

and why do reviews of these products continue to let these companies get away with making crap? it only in forums do you see what people really think!

What makes a brilliant HD mp3 player:
· Removable Laptop HD
· Removable Battery
· Small
· No colour screen (its a waste of money for something that is going to sit in my pocket)
· No need to use the useless software that comes with it because it works fine with Windows Explorer: that’s where Creative kick the competition
· Remote Control
· Tough Durable Design
· Back Lit Screen
· Good Sound Quality
· The ability to use it as an External USB HD
· Easy to use controls
· Cost effective to repair
· Long lasting warranty


As a “very fussy eater” when it comes to these things, I expect nothing but the best and would be more than happy to pay for it and if its not delivered then I won’t hold back. As I see a continuing trend of companies that take years to “get it right” on purpose; it gives them an excuse to bring out a new range each year making it just a tad better than the last one. This as a consumer can be extremely frustrating. And I can see this path happening with Sony. Their last HD based walkman was a joke that only played Atrac until they offered a recall to have it handle mp3 because they were losing out to everything else and it had to be cradled to transfer data, oh and it had an internal non removable battery.

Unfortunately there is nothing in the market in the HD section of 20gb’s or more that is satisfactory. All you have to do is jump on the internet and look at some user forums and you can find problems with any HD based player on the market. What does this say? Stick to the Micro Drives and Flash?

Why is it so hard, or why has no one steped upto the plate to make a quality product?

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September 15, 2005 6:31:09 PM

What makes a brilliant HD MP3 player obviously is completely a matter of opinion. What is required to be brilliant to one might seem downright goofy to another. I'll demonstrate:
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What makes a brilliant HD mp3 player:
· Removable Laptop HD

- Why would you want to remove the HD? I mean maybe I could understand the device having a small bit of onboard ROM so that you could put in a better HD on your own without screwing things up, but I'd still expect that to require some skill and to void the warranty. That is, unless the device itself was like a barebones thing that came without a hard drive in the first place maybe. But that'd probably get expensive and leave you with a questionable warranty since the HD would be handled seperate from the rest of the device.

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· Removable Battery

f it's rechargable and can be replaced with only a small bit of skill that's certainly good enough. Again, probably void the warranty to do and require taking apart the bugger, but no biggie if you're past the warranty anyway. (And if you're not past the warranty and your battery fails, RMA the sucker.)

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· Small

Good luck. So long as there's a hard drive in it, you're not getting the size all that far down.

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· No colour screen (its a waste of money for something that is going to sit in my pocket)

Screw that! I'd much rather have the color screen thanks. Portable photos are useful to me. In fact, if it were able to play MPEG2/MPEG4/DivX/whatever but still be in an MP3 player size and shape format that'd kick asterisk. For that matter, playing cheesy games is be handy too.

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· No need to use the useless software that comes with it because it works fine with Windows Explorer: that’s where Creative kick the competition

No need to use proprietary software, sure. But coming with a good user-friendly non-DRMed file converting and CD ripping utility suite would be nice.

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· Remote Control

I could definately live <i>without</i> a remote.

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· Tough Durable Design

True enough there, though how you're going to make a hard drive completely safe from shock damage is beyond me.

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· Back Lit Screen

Well duh. I would have thought this went without saying. What'd be really nice is the option to manually turn on and off the backlight like on my old Palm. Though I have to wonder why you care about the screen at all if you're using a remote and keeping it in your pocket...

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· Good Sound Quality

Again, duh. Good file support would be another one. Playback quality is meaningless if the only file formats you can use are crap. :o 

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· The ability to use it as an External USB HD

Doesn't this go standard with using Explorer instead of proprietary software?

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· Easy to use controls

While nice, I'd certainly be willing to suffer through some less than perfect controls if everything else is good.

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· Cost effective to repair

???? I don't think I even remotely get this one. Do you plan on breaking yours a lot or something? Wouldn't it not needing to be repaired for years be a lot more useful? Why would this even matter if you've got the next item in your list, a long lasting warranty?

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· Long lasting warranty

I can't imagine anyone supporting more than three years. Hell, with as much motion damage and battery drain as these things will suffer I'd doubt many manus would even dare to go more than a year. I mean yeah, it'd be nice, but I doubt many would risk it. With flash players, sure. With HD players though? I doubt it.

Of course you also missed directly stating the ability to browse files by their location on the hard drive in addition to the various auto-sorting features from the tags. (And for that matter, the ability to create and sort playlists of your own.)

Another huge one that you missed is an auto-normalizing volume since not all files are recorded with the same volume and constantly fiddling each time a song changes can get old really fast.

Another rather important factor IMHO would be a long battery life. We can't always take our docking stations/USB cables with us.

Another useful factor to me would actually be the inclusion of a short-ranged FM transmitter so that I can play music in my car (or wherever) without a goofy and annoying cable system or an external device to do the same.

For that matter, an FM reciever is nice too. (In fact, AM/FM would be even better since I still occasionally listen to AM radio as well.)

Hell, if you can do radio reception, why not even try for TV reception? That'd make a color screen handy. :)  (Though this is more fanciful wishing at this point and hardly necessary.)

For the office warriors (or just people who need it) the ability to set alarms and/or synch with calendars would be nice.

And an uber-coolness factor would IMHO be a built in standard wireless network adaptor for file transfers without docks/cables. (Or even better, for file transfers between devices without any PC involved.) Of course you'd want to be able to turn this on and off and maybe even password lock access to your device for security and power usage reasons.

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September 15, 2005 7:57:01 PM

i was just about to close my eyes and have a quick kipper at work, but this demands a response...

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- Why would you want to remove the HD? I mean maybe I could understand the device having a small bit of onboard ROM so that you could put in a better HD on your own without screwing things up, but I'd still expect that to require some skill and to void the warranty. That is, unless the
device itself was like a barebones thing that came without
a hard drive in the first place maybe. But that'd probably get expensive and leave you with a questionable warranty since the HD would be handled seperate from the rest of the device.

ok this one isn't a be all and end all, but it would be cool if you could simply pop out the HD as if it was a laptop and put in another one. as for the warranty, obviously if you start changing components then the manufacturer of those parts would be responsible for the warranty...i'm thinking of a mp3 device that is more like a mini PC, the sum of many diff interchangable parts. this is highly unlikely in the not too distant future. and as i said, i could live without this option, but it would be cool
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f it's rechargable and can be replaced with only a small bit of skill that's certainly good enough. Again, probably void the warranty to do and require taking apart the bugger, but no biggie if you're past the warranty anyway. (And if you're not past the warranty and your battery fails, RMA the sucker.)

as much as i dislike Sony's offering in this market, they have made a device which has an easily removable battery; just slide the cover and take it out and put another one in. i dont see why this cant be done in other systems and why it is not? anything with a non-removable battery, or one as easy as that is effectively useless, the battery wont last forever, and if its not lithium then your got a better chance of damaging the battery before its expected life ends. i dont know why these devices were made with built in's? but its a pain and its hard to argue against how handy it would be if you could just pop it open and replace it.


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· Small

once again the Sony is small, probably the smallest for a HD based player i've seen
i'm not sure how it compares to the Iriver or Zen. the Ipod is a brick!



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· No colour screen (its a waste of money for something that is going to sit in my pocket)


Screw that! I'd much rather have the color screen thanks. Portable photos are useful to me. In fact, if it were able to play MPEG2/MPEG4/DivX/whatever but still be in an MP3 player size and shape format that'd kick asterisk. For that matter, playing cheesy games is be handy too.


thats called a portable media device, i'm talking about an mp3 player here. trying to keep it simple; if the market cant make a decent mp3 player, i dont want to even think about the portable media players.


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No need to use proprietary software, sure. But coming with a good user-friendly non-DRMed file converting and CD ripping utility suite would be nice.

non DRMed, whats that?
yeah CD ripping would be cool, but basically a device which can be used with windows explorer or other similar standard file managing utils is a must. i believe Iriver and Creative work perfectly with Windows Explorer


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I could definately live without a remote.


yeah agreed, thats not essential but the option to have one, would be great and if it came with one; even better.


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True enough there, though how you're going to make a hard drive completely safe from shock damage is beyond me.

some laptop HDs have shock resistantancy built into them. just about all of them do, but some only operate on Y axis instead of XYZ...and any HD player that doesnt have this, is once again a hunk o junk


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Well duh. I would have thought this went without saying. What'd be really nice is the option to manually turn on and off the backlight like on my old Palm. Though I have to wonder why you care about the screen at all if you're using a remote and keeping it in your pocket...

the screen's not that important but a backlight is a must and should go without saying, but then i think there are a lot of points that go without saying, yet the companies out there dont bother.
backlight on the screen, for backup, and yes on the remote is a must.


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Again, duh. Good file support would be another one. Playback quality is meaningless if the only file formats you can use are crap. :o 

agreed. ie: Atrac, i wont even begin on that one.
the sound play back on the Sony HD5 is crap, way too soft, i wish that went without saying but they prove me wrong.


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using it as an external HD
Doesn't this go standard with using Explorer instead of proprietary software?

yes it does, but i wouldnt' put it past a company to include one and not the other. once again i'm looking at Sony.


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While nice, I'd certainly be willing to suffer through some less than perfect controls if everything else is good.

yeah i can understand that.


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???? I don't think I even remotely get this one. Do you plan on breaking yours a lot or something? Wouldn't it not needing to be repaired for years be a lot more useful? Why would this even matter if you've got the next item in your list, a long lasting warranty?

my first Sony Mini Disc lasted about 5 years, when it came time to repair. the total cost would have been more than buying a new one. only prob, by then the new ones were all crap. oh and there wasn't any option but to get it repaired through their repair agents, shopping around proved a waste of my time.


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Of course you also missed directly stating the ability to browse files by their location on the hard drive in addition to the various auto-sorting features from the tags. (And for that matter, the ability to create and sort playlists of your own.)

AGREED

Another huge one that you missed is an auto-normalizing volume since not all files are recorded with the same volume and constantly fiddling each time a song changes can get old really fast.

NOT TOO SURE WHAT THIS ONE MEANS

Another rather important factor IMHO would be a long battery life. We can't always take our docking stations/USB cables with us.

AGREED, AND NO DOCKING STATIONS, I HATE DEVICE THAT REQUIRE THESE THINGS...IE: THE SONY HD1. AND THE ABILTY TO PLUG IT INTO A GENERIC USB CABLE

Another useful factor to me would actually be the inclusion of a short-ranged FM transmitter so that I can play music in my car (or wherever) without a goofy and annoying cable system or an external device to do the same.

AGREED

For that matter, an FM reciever is nice too. (In fact, AM/FM would be even better since I still occasionally listen to AM radio as well.)

AGREED

Hell, if you can do radio reception, why not even try for TV reception? That'd make a color screen handy. :)  (Though this is more fanciful wishing at this point and hardly necessary.)

YEAH MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE MEDIA PLAYER

For the office warriors (or just people who need it) the ability to set alarms and/or synch with calendars would be nice.

AGREED

And an uber-coolness factor would IMHO be a built in standard wireless network adaptor for file transfers without docks/cables. (Or even better, for file transfers between devices without any PC involved.) Of course you'd want to be able to turn this on and off and maybe even password lock access to your device for security and power usage reasons.

AGREED

SORRY BOUT THE CAPS, I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO THAT INDENT STUFF...

anyway...basically the HD 20gb and over market is a joke. there are a heap of players that do the same pathetic job. i've just come off a promo job for Sony with their new offering and i hate it. its great to use for free, but the software that came with it turned this potentially great device into an absolute hunk of junk.
see my other post for my review of the device.

i'm a very heavy music listener, always on the go, on the move and always want to have music where ever i go.
i cant understand why no one has steped up to make something that really stands out from the rest. Sony is being held back by their own personal battle with mp3 making any quality product useless thanks to the software that comes with it or just the media it supports.

the other guys seem to be full of holes. i wonder who is responsible for desining them?
i hate seeing rave reviews for useless products. or not rave reviews, but its always a review based around someone thats used it for a few days.
after 1 month of use, i hated my product and could list why. but after that i could easily grab a new device and put it through some simple test/criteria to see how it would stand up after only a week or two
i'm sick to death of not being able to get a decent review anywhere except from Top Gear, but unfortunately all they review is cars
i would give anything to see them produce a Tech Show

as for the mp3 market, i know so many people that refuse to buy in or spend much on the devices because they are all so crap. useless.
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September 15, 2005 11:57:57 PM

lol, you're being funny riiight? What a rant.

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May 10, 2006 12:51:30 AM

· Removable Laptop HD
· Small

These 2 demands contradict each other. Laptop drives are, physically, pretty big. I suppose it depends on your definition of small.

· No colour screen (its a waste of money for something that is going to sit in my pocket)

For a DAP, I fully agree. If you are only going to be viewing song info then why have a battery draining colour screen?

· Removable Battery

One of the main reasons why I'm still using my Hi-MD walkman (it just doesn't get easier than AA's). That, and you don't need a computer to use it.

· Good Sound Quality

So let me get this straight; you want an MP3 player with good sound quality? An MP3 anything isn't going to have good sound quality.

You dismissed Sony's last HD walkman as a joke. Did you listen to an ATRAC-encoded song? Darn?

I'll fully admit that Hi-MD has its drawbacks too but ATRAC sound quality definitely isn't one of them. Hence why Sony is aiming Hi-MD at the semi-pro market (that, and they are unbeatable in the price range as a portable recorder).

Another useful factor to me would actually be the inclusion of a short-ranged FM transmitter so that I can play music in my car (or wherever) without a goofy and annoying cable system or an external device to do the same.

I believe there are numerous bluetooth transmitters you can buy which do the same job.

i'm not sure how it compares to the Iriver or Zen. the Ipod is a brick!

The ZEN 20Gb is the same size as a deck of cards.
May 15, 2006 2:01:16 AM

"Cartman0123" everyone has freedom of free speech, didn't your mama teach you that ? I don't want to be a forum "bi+ch" here but i do believe rant or no rant, this topic covers many major points and factors involved in todays mp3 players. I read the whole thing and i am not saying Darn is 100% correct but the issues and points he has raised and were discussed later on surely teach a thing or two to noobs like me about the current mp3 technology and where future is heading :D  After all you learn something new everyday
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