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Umm, you should reverse that question, power supply isn't a great concern, a decent 350watt will run it. The major concern here would be PS3 support, let's say if the Nvidia 6800NU's slightly slower than the X800Pro, then which would you buy, it's slower but it has PS3.

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Is PS3 the main reason?

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Hmm, I have been reading somewhere in this forum about the power supply requirement for Geforce 6800.

To be honest, I think it's a major concern since so many computers are sold with low PSU rating of maybe 300 watts and it is hard to find such good quality PSU, let alone finding 430 or 450 Watts!

Technical geeks knows about PSU but we got to remember that not many people knows much about computers.

I'm sure there are millions and millions of computers out there that have around 300 watts PSU while only few computers have over 350 or 400 watts so looks like Gefore 6800 doesn't have a large market to sell?? Because I know computer shops don't sells computer with any higher than 300 or 350 watts as it is just enough to power everything execpt gefore 6800...

So if someone saves their money for a year to buy a $500 videocard then they must have $80+ just lying around simply because they managed to save that videocard money up for such a long time? I think not. Besides any $500 videocard will be half that 6 months later, where as a high-end PSU ain't going to be dropping much at all in that time. So essentially even those that can fork out only $250 for a videocard will also need that same highend PSU.

I have a (name-brand) L&C 350W PSU that came with my 18" case for a total of $39 Canadian and my 5900XT is demanding just a bit more juice then my PSU can handle when under heavy load. So theres no way I'll be able to handle a 6800 Ultra.

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I really do think that PC shops should put a 350Watts PSU (real 350Watts) in new PC. The overall system price will not be much higher (10-20$) and this would reduce call to support for unexpected PC crash, PSU death, etc...

But, when you pack a PC like the one you talk about with load of power hungry stuff, you can put a 350 Watts PSU and hope it will not die and survive the torture. Putting a 400 Watts PSU is probably cheaper than having to loose time/cash/productivity because on day 1 you bought a 10-20$ cheaper 350Watts PSU.

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Sparkle is an outlet for FSP though, so their 350w PSU will be capable of coping with much more than a generic costs-almost-nothing PSU.

If the R42X is not significantly slower than the 6800 (i.e. 5-10% slower), then it might be worth buying for noise/power/heat/slot reasons. It's all about priorities in the end.

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This is so dumb. Not many people even know their PSU Wattage, and if it doesnt work on their pc - they'll be a bit confused. Why dont they just provide an ac plug to put in your power socket multitap? then there isnt a problem

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Yep, I have no idea why PCs are still designed to power all of the components from one source; a dedicated PSU for the video card (and possibily other components) would make much more sense.

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Later we may need a separate plug for video card......

As power requirement increases, eventually a computer will need to have a dedicated power supply.

uhh, might want to rephrase that and say what you meant.

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Well, I have taken out a part from Tom's Hardware Geforce 6800 Conclusion:

480W Thermaltake PSU from one of UK's cheapest computer store costs around £60 (equals to about $110 for US) but I don't know if it is good PSU.

But if the performance of ATI's next gen card is about equal to Geforce 6800 and requires the same amount of power as 9800XT then it would be a clear winner!

No I'd go NV40 anyway.. the PSU requirements sound a bit exploded to me, I cant see a 400 or 450 watt enermax/fortron source not doing the job successfully.
But either way its probably time to move on from my enermax 350 as CPUs and all devices are "movin on up" in drawing juice.

I think NV has poor quality in mind when stating a 480watt PSU.. gotta cover all your bases.
Say they do state a 350 or 400watt and people run out like typical idiots and buy the absolute cheapest thing on the shelf (BrandX), very likely it wont work.

I dont really know, just speculating.. I'll be testing my 6800Ultra though with a 350watt enermax and a circa 450 fortron source.

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THG only refered to nVidia recommendation for the PSU. nVidia have good reasons to ask for 480Watts PSU, they don't want users to blame them for instability, PSU death or defective components after low-quality 300/350Watts PSU blow under heavy load.

It's the same reason why AMD recommends certain MOBO/MEMORY, they don't want to support cheap memory/mobo makers that don't make reliable documents.

When I saw the 480Watts PSU I first tought this was bad, but after reading Hardware.fr review/test, it's evident that current 350/400Watts CPU will be enough in most cases for the 6800. And fro what I learn about the X800, ATI will probably recommend onle 350/400Watts PSU. Because it seems that the X800 don't use much more power than 9800.

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If the new Ati card feature almost the same performance and use less power than N40 (and I think it will be cheaper) then there is no doubt that the public will buy it. Cuz many people are ok with their PSU and wont invest an extra $100 just for more watts.
Beside of that, my guess is that Ati will hit this point with some kind of Dinamic clock for saving power just like the Core Cell of MSI.

Does anyone know the price in £ ??? of nvdia 6800 and ultra